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posted July 19, 2012 11:12 PM |
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Popped in the Pooper in a Pup Tent
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-0119-scouts-gay-ban-20120719,0,5210542.story
Ok so here it is, both of my sons were in the Boy Scouts and it served its purpose for them. It was a great organization when they were in and I was very involved with them.
They should be aloud to have there own set of rules and decide who comes into their organization. To me if you allowed openly gay boys to join the Boy Scouts then what you should do is just make it co-ed. At least then it is out in the open and parents can choose to not have their boys camping with little girls.
The fact is if the boys goes camping together and Tommy is sleeping next to Jimmy (the one in the glittery My Little Pony panties) and he decides to play ping pong pantie in the middle of the night, well then there you go. It's not fair to Tommy that Jimmy keeps trying to play hide the soap.
This is no different then having a girl in the pup tent with him, there is an attraction there and at that age will have a likely hood of being explored.
I feel the same way about a private owned business in regard to who they hire, your home and who you want in it, and any other establishment. You should get to choose who you want to hire, who is going to come into your business, and who you want to associate your child with at club that you are paying for.
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posted July 19, 2012 11:34 PM |
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How is it any different when the kids go on trips with their school for instance? They share dorms then? Will schools be able to ask and then ban possible homosexual kids from going?
Where is the cut off?
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posted July 19, 2012 11:37 PM |
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That is federally funded we are talking about private organizations here. If it's a private school again their choice.
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posted July 19, 2012 11:41 PM |
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Taking a required oath that you contradict the moment you utter the words, isn't a very enlightened thing to do.
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posted July 20, 2012 12:00 AM |
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The point is that it is their choice..its the parents choice enroll their kid.. it is the choice of that organazation..
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posted July 20, 2012 12:05 AM |
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It's funny, South Park had an episode on this. It was fairly clever the way they skewered the bigots but yet defended the right to free association.
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posted July 20, 2012 12:08 AM |
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They have the right to let whomever they want into their organization, but this sort of bigotry is nonsensical. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they always want to have sex.
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posted July 20, 2012 01:46 AM |
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You are correct Mav, however less of a chance of that happening between two heterosexual males. I am for the freedom to be gay as well as the freedom to choose as an organization with the same free will.
Point is if your going to allow this then just make it co-ed then you are on the same playing field. We know how experimental youth can be and this opens up doors that maybe don't need to be opened.
If you tell a parent that their 13 year old son will be sleeping in the same tent as his openly gay counterpart there may be a judgement call not to let that happen. If you tell them they will be in a tent with a female they will probably disagree as well.
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posted July 20, 2012 01:52 AM |
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Then why don't you just make it co-ed?
Scouts are co-ed here. Never had any problems, not as a scout or as a leader. In fact, I see it as an opportunity. It helps kids to learn how to work better together when there's more diversity in the group.
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If you tell a parent that their 13 year old son will be sleeping in the same tent as his openly gay counterpart there may be a judgement call not to let that happen. If you tell them they will be in a tent with a female they will probably disagree as well.
I find this interesting, especially if we leave the gayphobia out of it, what seems to be the problem with sleeping in the same space?
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posted July 20, 2012 03:10 AM |
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If I find it inappropriate for my 13 year old girl to sleep in the same tent as boys, then by right the same should apply for homosexuals, no?
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posted July 20, 2012 05:00 AM |
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They have the right to let whomever they want into their organization, but this sort of bigotry is nonsensical. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they always want to have sex.
+1
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posted July 20, 2012 10:12 AM |
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Edited by Corribus at 14:09, 20 Jul 2012.
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I've had enough of you, Moonlith. Hope you enjoy your permanent flood protect.
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posted July 20, 2012 06:55 PM |
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WTF. VF, your post is FULL of generalizations. My Little Pony pants? Tell that to all the straight adults who are obsessed by it.
And again, it's not like gay people are horny all the time and constantly think about raping their hetereosexual friends.
When I was a scout, I'm pretty sure that girls and boys slept in the same tents because we have gender-equality here. Now you don't have to have that, but atleast have sexual-equality so people don't get discriminated.
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posted July 20, 2012 07:16 PM |
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Absolutely not generalizing anyth ing. I never said they were always horny. thanks for your reply though moving on.
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posted July 20, 2012 07:35 PM |
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I was thinking about these lines.
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The fact is if the boys goes camping together and Tommy is sleeping next to Jimmy (the one in the glittery My Little Pony panties) and he decides to play ping pong pantie in the middle of the night, well then there you go. It's not fair to Tommy that Jimmy keeps trying to play hide the soap.
But my view on this is for instance, in the public shower room at school - homosexuals boys should shower with the other boys and not with the girls. Why? Because I believe that we are all born as equals and should treat each others as equals.
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posted July 20, 2012 07:44 PM |
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If that's the case shouldn't heterosexuals be showering with girls? Your equality theory is nonsensical, if a child is attracted to men, then it's inappropriate to have him shower with men.
Oh wait they're equal, so are men and women right? I've forgotten, and I apologize for that, lets have 'em all shower together.
Thank god people with a drop of intelligence make the rules.
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posted July 20, 2012 07:56 PM |
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homosexuals boys should shower with the other boys and not with the girls. Why?
because otherwise, everyone would claim they are homosexual 
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posted July 20, 2012 07:57 PM |
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VF just had fun and vivid examples, just give it a rest. I agree absolutely that they have the right as a private organisation, it is quite different what we have here of course, we have girls and boys in the scouts.
Everything has gotten insane sense people started making examples... we were talking first about Jimmys father being CONSERNED about his son sleeping at the same tent with someone who is openly gay.. to I don't even understand what happened after that. Tsar, do your school have all the boys shower together or just the "straight" acting ones or what is your point exactly...
Schools should never do something like that.
Private organizations, which is the topic, has the right to do what they want (withing legal limits)
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posted July 20, 2012 08:01 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 20:08, 20 Jul 2012.
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If that's the case shouldn't heterosexuals be showering with girls? Your equality theory is nonsensical, if a child is attracted to men, then it's inappropriate to have him shower with men.
It is about discrimination. A girl won't feel discriminated if she can't shower with the other girls. If I had been told "Nope, you are not welcome in this room, go to the girls' room" - then I would have reported my school to the authorities that deal with discrimination.
As for gender segregation in showers, personally I wouldn't mind if both genders showered together and all the heterosexuals boys would probably love it. Most girls though? They would probably not approve.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted July 20, 2012 08:03 PM |
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Well, we're all equal, so why not?
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