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FirePaladin
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posted May 24, 2024 07:09 PM |
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@mitsche91 @MurlocAggroB
Indeed, those are lights inside the mine shaft. Otherwise, the specific asset is a WIP and I have in plans to make its annexed structure easier to read. In fact, the asset itself is years old, even older than the very first assets for Palace. 
@MurlocAggroB
I'll give you a hint: history.
@LordInsane
While King Gryphonheart and his resurrection do relate very much to the Castle faction, we do not have his lich form as a Castle hero.
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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E1ChuRich
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posted May 24, 2024 10:01 PM |
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I just came here to write something controversial.
This mod looks like it will be as polished as HotA, but more
lore and casual friendly with more interesting factions.
Perhaps it is to early but DoR>HotA
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MurlocAggroB
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 25, 2024 12:25 AM |
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I also found a hasma/Day_of_Reckoning" target=_blank>sandbox page for DoR on the Heroes III wiki. The standout things to me are Succubus/Lilim and Illithid/Alhoon from Tides of War having pages, Jarl being the Might hero for Palace, and there being Light and Dark Elementals, Tritons, and four unknown neutral creatures listed. AFIAK none of that has been confirmed in this thread, but I might be misremembering.
EDIT: The smiley face is breaking the link. Here it is with a space to break it up.
https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/User: Phasma/Day_of_Reckoning
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LordInsane
Known Hero
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posted May 25, 2024 12:33 PM |
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MurlocAggroB said:
I also found a hasma/Day_of_Reckoning" target=_blank>sandbox page for DoR on the Heroes III wiki. The standout things to me are Succubus/Lilim and Illithid/Alhoon from Tides of War having pages, Jarl being the Might hero for Palace, and there being Light and Dark Elementals, Tritons, and four unknown neutral creatures listed. AFIAK none of that has been confirmed in this thread, but I might be misremembering.
EDIT: The smiley face is breaking the link. Here it is with a space to break it up.
https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/User: Phasma/Day_of_Reckoning
Light and Dark Elementals have been confirmed to be in in some way previously - in that same post I quoted from earlier, there's a mention that light and dark elementals haven't been forgotten, but will be "more special than just some alternates".
EDIT: I am a bit surprised at Illithid/Alhoon. They are perhaps a bit too blatant D&D-isms (even more blatant than Gorgons and Beholders), and of course the "Alhoon" seems more like an Ulitharid than an Alhoon.
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FirePaladin
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posted May 25, 2024 02:27 PM |
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To be fair, I have not actually interfered with the alternate creatures' info, so what you see is mostly guesses (especially in regards to the "Mind Flayers", which suffered the greatest changes).
Otherwise, I'll see about how and if to convey the reader that the info itself is not taken directly from DoR (most of it is from ToW, which is somewhat just as outdated as beta H3 or the Factory shown in the old videos), or whether to remove it altogether.
At the end of the day, I have to keep in mind that the wiki pages should 99% rely on public information, and be written from a non-dev pov (remember the old Factory page, for example).
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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FdgK
Known Hero
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posted May 25, 2024 02:42 PM |
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Regarding the alternative creatures: In case you can and want to tell us at this point, will there be exactly one alternative per faction or not necessarily?
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LordInsane
Known Hero
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posted May 25, 2024 08:39 PM |
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FirePaladin said:
@LordInsane
While King Gryphonheart and his resurrection do relate very much to the Castle faction, we do not have his lich form as a Castle hero.
Yes, I figured the planar connection could be more a "in a description of their lore in the Heroes 3 period (post-H2 to end of Sword of Frost), it would be mentioned" than a "it is an integrated aspect of the faction itself" (like your example - King Gryphonheart would undoubtedly come up when you talk about H3 Erathia, and therefore Castle's lore, but he's only ever off-screen, dead, or in Necropolis in the campaigns); there just isn't there much else to theorize from yet given it's a mystery town.
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FirePaladin
Promising
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posted May 25, 2024 08:58 PM |
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True enough. I mostly posted that to clarify it a bit, as much as I could (well, the team convened to not talk too much about the town right now, as to not spoil it just yet).
And since you said "planar connection", I can state that some of the lore (and visuals, in fact) in MM8 could actually reveal some more about the town, if you pay attention. Granted, you need to know where to look, but this is enough hints for now, anyway. 
P.S. Thanks to whoever made that "Speculative" template on the wiki, in case it's one of you guys (or just a lurker).
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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LordCameron
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Veteran of the Succession Wars
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posted May 26, 2024 05:37 AM |
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mitsche91
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 26, 2024 12:17 PM |
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LordCameron said:
Who runs thelazy anyway? Is there some guy called thelazy?
The only person that comes to my mind is DonKo from the HotA crew. In other forums he has such a name.
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FirePaladin
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posted May 26, 2024 03:18 PM |
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@LordCameron
Technically Terrasque, but otherwise there are several community members who have become active contributors to the wiki and pretty much run it and discuss various features and additions both on Discord and the wiki's talk page.
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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LordCameron
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posted May 26, 2024 10:23 PM |
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The Terrasque would actually make a pretty cool heroes' monster. Like a ~T5-7 which was invisible but easily tameable, so if it was the only unit left on the battle field it joined the opponent's army.
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What are Homm Songs based on?
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TrueMefista
Hired Hero
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posted May 27, 2024 09:23 PM |
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That was someone's nickname.
Mythological Tarasque would have been nicer.
Also, I think HOMM cities need a bit more originals/not direct DND lifts (source mythology and heraldry, as there are TONS of things out there), because a lot of people already do not look into MM lore, and outfitting the game with further DND beasts genericises it too much. Or atleast take weirder stuff like howler wasps.
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LordCameron
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posted May 28, 2024 01:09 AM |
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TrueMefista said:
That was someone's nickname.
Mythological Tarasque would have been nicer.
Also, I think HOMM cities need a bit more originals/not direct DND lifts (source mythology and heraldry, as there are TONS of things out there), because a lot of people already do not look into MM lore, and outfitting the game with further DND beasts genericises it too much. Or atleast take weirder stuff like howler wasps.
It's probably a topic for another topic, but that's why I mentioned the tame-ability. Like in the original story. But Homm is super whatever-was-popular-at-the-time inspired. Starwars, the Matrix, DnD. So it would fit.
Anyway, now I know thelazy lore.
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What are Homm Songs based on?
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wolk
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 04, 2024 01:19 AM |
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Edited by wolk at 01:27, 04 Jul 2024.
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Why yellow lamps? In the intro to AB, the lamps in the crypt of the Ancients were white. And also the entire Forge screen had buildings lit in white. Yellow lights look poor, not futuristic.
The tank's tracks look like a chocolate block from communist Poland:
And regarding the redesign of Forge castle: I don't like it. I think you are repeating the same mistake as 10 years ago when you did Forge for VCMI. You are unnecessarily trying to change the iconic concept from E3 1999. Of course, years later it can be debated whether it was good or not, but in my opinion it sank deeply into the memory of fans and shouldn't be changed.
You can say: we cooperate with Fulton. I say: look at the collaboration between HotA and Paul Romero. He, after 25 years, could not compose music in the style of H3 castles. In my opinion, Fulton has similar amnesia and he no longer feels the vibe of Heroes 3.
About the units: I like the goblin and pyro. I don't like the helmet on the Zombie (the one at the bottom of the path in the snow). I wrote about naga above.
The map objects are rather good. However, I am not convinced by the new electric windmill (wind turbine), because I associate them with ecology and positivity. And the obelisk with the green ejaculate is ugly.
Terrain I think is really awful. Asphalt from VCMI is far superior. Or a volcanic zone without lava, as HotA did.
Maybe I wrote a little too harshly? We are all adults so I guess that you won't be offended. Honest opinion.
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FirePaladin
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posted July 04, 2024 02:02 AM |
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The Forge side of the adventure map is the most rushed and unfinished one. The Crystal Mine is prone to being remade to some extent, anyway - the asset itself is older than all of the Palace town assets, and it's also hard to read. As for why the use of yellow lamps, not all of the town is strictly "clean" futuristic - there is also a bit of a dirty, crappy hi-tech in the faction, which is especially represented by the goblins and ogres. Of course, it is not a theme that should be overly prevalent, but simply represented to some extent. Several buildings in the E3 town screen had yellow-orange lights, too. Namely the Tank Garage, the Hearth, the Slaughterhouse, the Runway, as well as the E3 Tavern and Blacksmith.
It's not we who made that Forge. Yes, some team members were involved in that project, but most of the people involved in the Forge's new town screen have not been involved with that project at all. In fact, only one member from that project is actively involved, and that's in giving feedback. Of course, I must not neglect to credit the authors of that Forge for some of the models, despite those models having suffered drastic changes. I can, however, say that the adventure sprite of the fortifications is WIP, especially concerning their base.
Otherwise, several of the NWC staff have reported that certain features from shown Forge assets did not really match neither theirs nor Gregory's own vision, and thus we decided that it's for the best to change some of them. For that and several other reasons. Much of the audience might not even know the fortifications' E3 design, nor would frown at a better design. Just as it happened with Factory's own fortifications.
I disagree on the Paul Romero thing. Of course, he might not 1:1 compose the same kind of "H3-styled" music nowadays, but the Factory track matter was.... odd, and not really representative of what PAR can achieve in this direction. To my knowledge, PAR originally composed a promising theme for the Factory (excerpt of which can be heard in one of his videos), and then him and HotA did not communicate with each other, time in which PAR thought about making the town theme more of an homage brought to Docent Picolan - thus, the sadder wild west motifs. Either way, it did not match the town's more wondrous atmosphere, and was thus swapped to being a campaign theme.
Hehe. Hmm, that's not really a helmet on the zombie, but the low resolution of H3 is to blame; some details get lost or become more ambiguous (as is the case here) in the creatures' adventure map sprites.
I do not see how Asphalt is superior. And the other is just Lava terrain. Regardless, that does not mean that there is not room for improvement - the terrain itself already received several hue, brightness and gamma adjustments just a few days after that screenshot, while the mountains will be replaced (as might other, lower quality objects). I assume you imagine something more dark and grim, correct?
Worry not, I take this as feedback for improvement, and some things are better said more bluntly. To be honest, it was pretty good and much of it already matches the thoughts of team members, too. So thank you!
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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wolk
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 04, 2024 02:27 AM |
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Edited by wolk at 02:39, 04 Jul 2024.
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Thank you for your reply.
Just to be clear: I like most of the things in this screenshot, I just didn't mention them. Vori, Mushrooms, they are all good. I just listed the things I have doubts about.
Edit: Also: I REALLY like the mechanical horse. Can you tell me: Is model of the Planeswalker's rusty horse from Conflux an old horse graphic for the Forge hero?
Because it looks like it is.
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LordCameron
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posted July 04, 2024 06:34 PM |
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Dodging the real criticism of communist Poland chocolate tanks I see. Clearly HoMM tanks should have 12th Century Swiss chocolate tanks.
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wolk
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 04, 2024 08:18 PM |
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I just noticed another unit on your screenshot, very well hidden. I'm not sure what it is, though:
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FirePaladin
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posted July 05, 2024 01:56 PM |
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@wolk
That, I do not know. It's not impossible, but I'd have to contact the artist. And first of all, find out who was in charge of making hero sprites, too - I know who did what creature model, but I have no idea about hero sprites.
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