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TrueMefista
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posted July 07, 2024 09:22 PM |
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Face looks kinda skeletal
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Opera
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 11, 2024 10:28 AM |
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Im waiting so much for Forge finally in canon version cant belive after 25 years we might heave Forge that was cancelled
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e1churich
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 11, 2024 01:21 PM |
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Opera said:
Im waiting so much for Forge finally in canon version cant belive after 25 years we might heave Forge that was cancelled [/quote
Yeah buddy Forge hype! 
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TrueMefista
Hired Hero
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posted July 13, 2024 03:23 AM |
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Laserstorm
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 21, 2024 09:49 PM |
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I'll assume you mean Forge, TrueMefista.
Back in the stone age, aka 1999, New World Computing were planning on adding in the Forge faction for the Armageddon's Blade expansion. The Forge faction was meant to represent the technology aspect of the Might and Magic series.
Originally, the evil ending in Might and Magic 7 was planned to be the canon ending where Kastore rebuilds the last known heavenly forge and begins his conquest to take over Enroth. The campaign in Armageddon's Blade would've explored Roland, Catherine, and Gelu's efforts to find Armageddon's Blade in order to push back against the superior technological might of Kastore's armies.
As I've previously stated, the Forge was meant to be this technological, steampunk town of sorts, and the creatures would reflect that with them being equipped with things like flamethrowers and jetpacks. They were also meant to be individually stronger than any other town unit of their tier level. However, they were also much more expensive than other creatures of their level as well. Some of the lower level creatures were even planned to cost precious resources.
However, while I personally would've been excited for it, there were a lot of fans of Heroes that REALLY did not like the idea of cyborgs and laser guns being incorporated into the game. Even though the Might and Magic series, which Heroes is based on, has always been a blend of fantasy and sci-fi, a lot of people wanted Heroes to remain a pure fantasy game.
As such, when the game was presented at E3 in 1999, the Forge was met with fierce backlash from the fans, particularly the more "vocal" ones. Some of the fans were obsessed with the game and sent literal death threats to Greg Fulton, the lead designer, demanding that Forge be removed from the game. It was so bad that it pushed Greg Fulton over the edge and caused him to leave the gaming industry because of it. (Seriously, to send literal death threats over a GAME!! )
As a result, the Forge was cancelled and replaced by the Conflux town, which was planned to be in the second expansion. However, the team lost a lot of time and progress with this unexpected setback and had to quickly scramble the faction together in just a few short months before the game released, which is why Conflux feels rushed and unbalanced.
And that's the story of Forge.
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silly_idea
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 22, 2024 05:59 AM |
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wolk here, I deleted my password txt file like a moron because I thought I wouldn't need it anymore. However, a crazy theory suddenly occurred to me. FirePaladin is interested in the story so I will describe it for him.
Are the Magic Elementals in fact Guardians? Or the creations of the Ancients? Take a look at a well-known sketch:
Underneath his cloak is the cosmos. Literally the cosmos. Now look at the fighting Sheltem who has taken off his armor:
Same story, his “body” is the cosmos. Now look at the attacked Corak, whose armor was destroyed by Sheltem:
Creepy, huh?
And one more small detail at the end. Magic Elementals in the red cloak are immune to magic. Sheltem's red cloak also neutralizes spells:
I think it's a very interesting theory, so it was worth creating a multi account for it.
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LordInsane
Known Hero
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posted July 22, 2024 03:50 PM |
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Magic Elementals seem rather weak for Guardians (or at least the kind of Guardians this associates them with), but some kind of connection doesn't seem impossible. If not Ancient creations, perhaps the other way around - the Ancients based or derived some aspects of the humanoid Guardians on the Magic Elementals?
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TrueMefista
Hired Hero
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posted July 24, 2024 12:26 AM |
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Laserstorm, I was making a silly combo word for "Forge hope", Forpe 
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Laserstorm
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 24, 2024 04:58 AM |
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Ah, I get it. That completely flew over my head. I just assumed you misspelled "Forge". Whoops.
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted July 24, 2024 10:58 PM |
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@Laserstorm
That is a good summary, yes. I would only add that Gregory Fulton himself was also doubtful of the ability of NWC's artists to fulfill the vision of the Forge; for example, ever since its inception in 1999, he wanted the town screen to be edgier than what was seen at E3 - it's an Evil faction, after all. Other NWC staff made similar comments. As he said himself, the Forge's cancelling might have been a "blessing in disguise" for him.
@wolk/silly_idea
Heh, I appreciate you going to such an extent to present this theory. That is quite certainly very interesting, to be honest. Myself, I don't think there is such a strong connection between the Magic Elementals and Guardians, but what @LordInsane said on the matter sounds sensible to me. The Ancients do rely to a decent extent on the powers of the elements they themselves subdued. So the Guardians' gear (or arsenal of tools; their bodies are artificial) could definitely be based on either the concepts of Magic Elementals, their magics, or the elementals themselves. Or all of these.
Realistically, I don't think there was much thought put into this by NWC (however, NWC sometimes surprises me in that regard), but fans can theorize and create new, logical ties. 
I am pretty sure that both Corak and Sheltem have organic-like bodies despite this "magic cloak": we even see a bare-chested Corak on one of the titles' cover, hah!
P.S. I absolutely have to say that Corak vs Sheltem is a true classic of MM, for me. I'm happy to see it being brought up even today.
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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silly_idea
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 25, 2024 01:15 PM |
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Many things were taken from DnD or Star Trek so I looked there for an explanation. However, I did not find anything. I found that the concept of “the cosmos under the cloak” is present in many modern games, especially anime. But I haven't found the source of this idea. I'm guessing it's a reference to something from an old TV series or movie, most things in Might and Magic are references or parodies of others' ideas. It would be nice to know.
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LordCameron
Known Hero
Veteran of the Succession Wars
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posted July 25, 2024 06:39 PM |
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silly_idea
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 25, 2024 08:13 PM |
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So this concept comes from the Egyptian goddess Nut. However, I doubt that Caneghem took it directly from mythology. There was also something like that done in Star Trek and DnD, but already after 1993 (the release date of of MM5), so it can't be that. In any case, it was certainly not done by an accident. It's either some silly reference or some more serious concept when it comes to the Guardians. Who knows?
In any case, it's not getting any more DoR-related, so I'm ending the offtopic
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NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
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posted July 26, 2024 04:39 AM |
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Edited by NimoStar at 04:42, 26 Jul 2024.
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I believe its probably from Thelema?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuit
Which was more in fashion back then.
As for what are the bodies of Sheltem and Corak, I imagine they are something akin to angels, which are confirmed to be "lifelife" machines, essentially advanced Golems (and similar to Titans which are also actually non-living but nearly appear to be).
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted July 26, 2024 11:31 AM |
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I'd say that Angels are a step above golems and are also living by virtue of having a soul: for example Corak vaguely recalls memories from "another life" in an earlier MM RPG, IIRC, and it also nicely explains the living trait, despite the artificial body. And the Ancients have the monopoly on the afterlife, so yeah.
The Titans are more or less "living stone", rather than "animated stone". There are various "living stone" beings in folklore and the likes.
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
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posted July 27, 2024 05:56 AM |
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Edited by NimoStar at 06:36, 27 Jul 2024.
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I believe there is strong implication Titans are artificial beings. The mind immunity for example leads us to believe that they don't have a consciousness in the same sense than other living beings. They are also in the same faction with the mages that make Gargoyles and Golems.
Bear in mind that sapient, humanoid beings normally have heroes (ogre and goblin heroes in Stronghold, lizardmen and gnoll heroes in Fortress, even Troglodyte heroes in Dungeon etc). Even Necropolis has zombies, vampires, skeletons, liches as heroes!
Confluc has heroes of all elementals including the formless mind/magic. Furthermore we even have a Dragon hero (including in non-anthropomorphic dragon form), several demon heroes, and at least one explicitly Devil hero. Showing that lvl7 creatures can also be heroes if they fullfill the sentience/character prerequisite.
but we have no Titan hero (or golem, or gargoyle; or angel hero), leading me to conclude, at least, that these constructs mostly lack the required "personality". As Corak's sprite shows, he's not like the angels in the game; he's wingless, blue-skinned, and has a futuristic uniform.
As an additional piece of evidence, no angel or titan is written as a "character" in the story or campaigns AFAIK, nor are they referred as peoples or civilizations; they are used as devices only, most probably because they are.
PS: The fact that griffins in the Griffin Conservatory are "guarding" Angels as if Angels are treasure/objects, not people, is also a strong hint. This is only one of two instances of such behavior (the other being dragon flies presumably guarding the eggs of non-sentient and related Wyverns)
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MurlocAggroB
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 29, 2024 06:03 PM |
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There is a Titan that appears as a character in the pickup quotes for Titan's Gladius and Titan's Cuirass.
A Titan stops you and says, "Pay me 5,000 gold, or I shall slay you where you stand." You refuse. The Titan grabs the sword hanging from its belt, but you duck between its legs. He is so surprised by this maneuver that he trips... falling on his sword and killing himself instantly. You relieve him of his belongings.
I think that displays individuality and personality.
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mitsche91
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 06, 2024 10:35 PM |
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So...it has been quite a long time since we got the last update. Maybe it's time for another showcase or small picture again? 
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted August 15, 2024 05:29 PM |
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I intended to reply earlier, since around that time I considered showing an image somewhere and then also post it on the forum afterwards, but in the end I decided it was best not to do so at that moment and forgot about it for a week.
But it should be fine to post it now.
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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LordCameron
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posted August 15, 2024 06:14 PM |
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