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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted August 25, 2025 11:59 AM |
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Let me tell you..
Cyclops (n/Greek & Roman mythology) a giant one-eyed creature
mantichore (see) manticore
manticore (n/Persian legendary creature) the head of a human, the body of a lion and a tail of venomous spines similar to porcupine quills, while other depictions have it with the tail of a scorpion
For horrors fan:
One-eyed human is in existence, thus gene fault, also known as a gene mutation or genetic alteration.. You can't call fictional or mythological..
Remember from fairy and ghost to alien for you, not from belief to myth.. And then this thread is modern..
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Charrclaw
Known Hero
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posted August 25, 2025 12:14 PM |
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I continue to be amazed by how little I can understand your posts, but I read them nonetheless 
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted August 25, 2025 12:36 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 21:02, 25 Aug 2025.
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Oddball13579 said:
Every creation myth out there is basically some godly being plopping life down. Doesn't automatically make it fantasy themed. This is basically like Halo. Advanced race seeding other planets with life.
Most creation myths are just that, mythology. Also, most works of sci-fi aren't likely to include 'creation myths', because the more you understand about science, the less you rely on gods and the like.
Oddball13579 said:
That's.... That's the point though.
It is magic. They have no idea what they are looking at, let alone having an understanding of it. It is like if you traveled back in time and showed some peasant a smartphone. They'd think you were some wizard who could do magic.
The people in Heroes don't understand the technology. To them it quite literally is magic.
Just because it has a fantasy layering does not automatically make the sci-fi elements go away. Both can and should coexist. It is Heroes at its core roots.
Except that there's no evidence in the Heroes games themselves that they're anything but pure fantasy. And that's the point. You claim those elements are in your face, and yet, to the casual heroes fan, they're so invisible they don't exist.
Charrclaw said:
Because Cyclops and Manticores aren't fictional.
His horrors are part of modern-day mythology. Tolkien himself wrote a whole (modern day) mythological saga, yet I don't see anyone complaining about his elves being a stereotype in fantasy genre.
No-one ever believed in the works of Tolkien or Lovecraft. That's what real mythology is, stuff that was once believed in by a group (or at least, we think was believed in, stuff that far back we can't necessarily be sure about), but which is no longer believed in by anyone.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted August 25, 2025 12:37 PM |
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Edited by Ghost at 12:38, 25 Aug 2025.
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@Charrclaw
If you meant *Remember from fairy and ghost to alien for you, not from belief to myth.. And then this thread is modern..*
When I read dark forest, how it evolved from legends to the modern version.. So stone and Bronze age was fairies, and today is UFO..
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Stevie
Responsible
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posted August 25, 2025 03:32 PM |
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Oddball13579 said:
MattII said:
As for 'tech so advanced it looks like magic', it might as well be magic.
That's.... That's the point though.
It is magic. They have no idea what they are looking at, let alone having an understanding of it. It is like if you traveled back in time and showed some peasant a smartphone. They'd think you were some wizard who could do magic.
The people in Heroes don't understand the technology. To them it quite literally is magic.
No, the point Matt was trying to make is that it can simply be magic without any sort of appeal to a sci-fi explanation. It's not required or necessary in any way. And the magic in Heroes is that sort of magic.
Oddball13579 said:
Just because it has a fantasy layering does not automatically make the sci-fi elements go away. Both can and should coexist. It is Heroes at its core roots.
That's incorrect. Heroes at its core roots is fantasy, and the M&M RPGs are sci-fi/fantasy. They are not one and the same. One is the spinoff, the other is the mainline series that came before it. The spinoff did not have the sci-fi elements at all, and at best it only alluded to them in the story. They were never shown, not part of gameplay and weren't integrated in the theme of the series. As such, the only "should" that makes sense here is the one where this core root is the one that extends to the newer Heroes games as well.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 25, 2025 06:04 PM |
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Ok if creatures are from MM or you know UbiSnow..
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MurlocAggroB
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posted August 25, 2025 06:43 PM |
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AFIAK the magic in this series really is magic. The Ancients used a combination of highly advanced technology and elemental magic to create the nacelles. Some technologies are misinterpreted as magic (for example, monoliths are probably technological, which is why new ones can't be created), but both are real.
Not that it really matters, because Schism doesn't have much do with the sci-fi part of the universe.
MattII said:
Maybe later I'll do a list of all the creatures in Heroes 3 and their origins. I suspect the majority come from either mythology or folklore.
Okay? You're missing the point here. I think you'll find the same thing with any high fantasy setting. It doesn't suddenly make them "a mythological setting" and not a fantasy one. This is high fantasy. This is the genre that HoMM falls into.
Eldritch abominations are a high fantasy archetype. They're not most prevalent ones, but they do appear frequently.
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MurlocAggroB
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posted August 25, 2025 07:36 PM |
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Double post, but we got our first creature showcase. It's the Cultist, a tier 2 spellcaster. Also, there is so much lore in the flavour texts. I feel like I get this faction's whole deal now.
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Ernsmk
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 25, 2025 08:12 PM |
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted August 25, 2025 09:19 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 21:45, 25 Aug 2025.
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MurlocAggroB said:
Okay? You're missing the point here. I think you'll find the same thing with any high fantasy setting. It doesn't suddenly make them "a mythological setting" and not a fantasy one. This is high fantasy. This is the genre that HoMM falls into.
Eldritch abominations are a high fantasy archetype. They're not most prevalent ones, but they do appear frequently.
I didn't say it wasn't a fantasy setting, I said the vast majority of creatures until now have derived, in some way, from mythology and folklore, with far fewer coming from modern works of fantasy. That's changing this game, with many of the creatures seemingly being outright invented.
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kesnarii
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posted August 26, 2025 08:42 AM |
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Edited by kesnarii at 08:51, 26 Aug 2025.
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MurlocAggroB said:
Double post, but we got our [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/OldenEra/comments/1mzwiog/something_dark_has_risen_in_the_far_reaches_of/]first creature showcase.[/url] It's the Cultist, a tier 2 spellcaster. Also, there is so much lore in the flavour texts. I feel like I get this faction's whole deal now.
Ooof... using greek words for names without someone greek in the team can lead to cases like here.
Lyssara in medieval greek means maniac.
But in modern greek its only use is figuratively as a slang word for slĄt.....
Please, please, please, change the name....
edit: You can use [url=https://www.wordreference.com/gren/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BD%CF%8C%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82]Menomeni[/url] for similar effect (raging) but without the slang meaning....
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 26, 2025 11:46 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 11:51, 26 Aug 2025.
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kesnarii said:
MurlocAggroB said:
Double post, but we got our first creature showcase. It's the Cultist, a tier 2 spellcaster. Also, there is so much lore in the flavour texts. I feel like I get this faction's whole deal now.
Ooof... using greek words for names without someone greek in the team can lead to cases like here.
Lyssara in medieval greek means maniac.
But in modern greek its only use is figuratively as a slang word for slĄt.....
Please, please, please, change the name....
edit: You can use Menomeni for similar effect (raging) but without the slang meaning....
You must be joking, right? You're the guy who said complaining about Sylvan was nonsense and repeatedly harassed people who felt the name didn't fit, but this very specific nitpick that only pertains to you is a big issue worthy of change? 99% of the playerbase won't care about what Lyssara means in the slang of a dialect of a language of a small country. They are more likely to care if the primary meaning and mythological inspiration fit the character, and even then there's no guarantee there will be many. But don't get me wrong, you can have it your way as far as I'm concerned, it just it won't make a real difference. So more than anything I'm taking this as one more moment you took to reveal your lack of understanding about the things that truly matter for the broader fanbase.
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kesnarii
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posted August 26, 2025 01:21 PM |
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Stevie said:
kesnarii said:
MurlocAggroB said:
Double post, but we got our [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/OldenEra/comments/1mzwiog/something_dark_has_risen_in_the_far_reaches_of/]first creature showcase.[/url] It's the Cultist, a tier 2 spellcaster. Also, there is so much lore in the flavour texts. I feel like I get this faction's whole deal now.
Ooof... using greek words for names without someone greek in the team can lead to cases like here.
Lyssara in medieval greek means maniac.
But in modern greek its only use is figuratively as a slang word for slĄt.....
Please, please, please, change the name....
edit: You can use [url=https://www.wordreference.com/gren/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%BD%CF%8C%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82]Menomeni[/url] for similar effect (raging) but without the slang meaning....
You must be joking, right? You're the guy who said complaining about Sylvan was nonsense and repeatedly harassed people who felt the name didn't fit, but this very specific nitpick that only pertains to you is a big issue worthy of change? 99% of the playerbase won't care about what Lyssara means in the slang of a dialect of a language of a small country. They are more likely to care if the primary meaning and mythological inspiration fit the character, and even then there's no guarantee there will be many. But don't get me wrong, you can have it your way as far as I'm concerned, it just it won't make a real difference. So more than anything I'm taking this as one more moment you took to reveal your lack of understanding about the things that truly matter for the broader fanbase.
Yeah, I guess you are correct...
But in any case, the devs in discord told me that there was no intention of actually having a greek root. They just found it a nice name...in which case, I really can't say anything...
My original concern was valid because I thought that they have picked the name for its greek meaning. Like for example various cards from MtG theros, which have really bad names (e.g.: Xenagos, meaning tour guide in modern greek)
Sending you some love Stevie!
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted August 26, 2025 01:59 PM |
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Freedom of opinion!
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purerogue3
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posted August 26, 2025 05:02 PM |
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The Greek admonished by the American for trying to save the Russian from a cultural misappropriation
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MurlocAggroB
Known Hero
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posted August 27, 2025 02:05 AM |
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Stevie said:
You must be joking, right? You're the guy who said complaining about Sylvan was nonsense and repeatedly harassed people who felt the name didn't fit, but this very specific nitpick that only pertains to you is a big issue worthy of change?
There is a difference between "Change this name because I don't like it" and "Change this name because it might be unintentionally offensive".
Also, no one was harassing anyone. Disagreeing with you is not harassment.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 27, 2025 06:14 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 06:15, 27 Aug 2025.
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MurlocAggroB said:
Stevie said:
You must be joking, right? You're the guy who said complaining about Sylvan was nonsense and repeatedly harassed people who felt the name didn't fit, but this very specific nitpick that only pertains to you is a big issue worthy of change?
There is a difference between "Change this name because I don't like it" and "Change this name because it might be unintentionally offensive".
Also, no one was harassing anyone. Disagreeing with you is not harassment.
There is a difference between "Change this name because it doesn't fit" and "Change this name because it might be unintentionally offensive". - there, fixed it for you.
Also, offensive? What? To whom exactly? Are players offended now for what fictional characters are called? I don't get the complaint at all then. I don't think that's what kesnarii meant, maybe more along the lines of tasteless or inappropriate. But offensive? Even less of a case there.
About disagreeing: there's a way to be polite about it, and then the other way with shows of contempt, ridicule, downplaying, acting irritated by feedback/criticism, attempting to silence it, and reacting with yawn, poop and clown emojis because that's someone's idea of disagreement. I have receipts if need be, but we both know who you're defending and why, so I hope it doesn't come down to showing them here. It would only turn ugly.
And honestly? I'd rather talk about the faction.
On the topic of name changes, here's a very interesting thread I just found on leddit: Schism should be renamed, and here is why.
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Charrclaw
Known Hero
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posted August 27, 2025 09:08 AM |
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They should rename it to Igloo
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted August 27, 2025 09:21 AM |
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kesnarii said:
Stevie said:
kesnarii said:
MurlocAggroB said:
Double post, but we got our first creature showcase. It's the Cultist, a tier 2 spellcaster. Also, there is so much lore in the flavour texts. I feel like I get this faction's whole deal now.
Ooof... using greek words for names without someone greek in the team can lead to cases like here.
Lyssara in medieval greek means maniac.
But in modern greek its only use is figuratively as a slang word for slĄt.....
Please, please, please, change the name....
edit: You can use Menomeni for similar effect (raging) but without the slang meaning....
You must be joking, right? You're the guy who said complaining about Sylvan was nonsense and repeatedly harassed people who felt the name didn't fit, but this very specific nitpick that only pertains to you is a big issue worthy of change? 99% of the playerbase won't care about what Lyssara means in the slang of a dialect of a language of a small country. They are more likely to care if the primary meaning and mythological inspiration fit the character, and even then there's no guarantee there will be many. But don't get me wrong, you can have it your way as far as I'm concerned, it just it won't make a real difference. So more than anything I'm taking this as one more moment you took to reveal your lack of understanding about the things that truly matter for the broader fanbase.
Yeah, I guess you are correct...
But in any case, the devs in discord told me that there was no intention of actually having a greek root. They just found it a nice name...in which case, I really can't say anything...
My original concern was valid because I thought that they have picked the name for its greek meaning. Like for example various cards from MtG theros, which have really bad names (e.g.: Xenagos, meaning tour guide in modern greek)
Sending you some love Stevie!
Thanks for clarifying your point calmly, kesnarii - keeping discussions constructive and positive helps everyone.
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MurlocAggroB
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posted August 27, 2025 06:45 PM |
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