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LordZXZX
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posted December 28, 2003 01:57 PM

Nope, it shouldn't be promoted, as the churches left and right are protesting. The best way is to leave them as they are.
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IRh
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posted December 28, 2003 05:33 PM

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Nope, it shouldn't be promoted, as the churches left and right are protesting. The best way is to leave them as they are.

Yeah, leave the churches as they are.

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Aculias
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posted December 29, 2003 12:39 AM

Theres so many ways how people can feel affectionate to the same sex.
Sometimes the way you are raised by your parents or if you even had any parents.
Say you are a male & you are abused by all the women or raised up femenime, then that could be the cause of it.
Just an example.
SOme are forced never to look upon the same sex & it causes them to get curious about the same sex.
It is true unfortunately when you are straight going into prison,not jail but hardcore prison,& if you het released from prison, that can also change you permanantly.

Too many yrs in some religion it is true that Homosexuality is a hugh sin & I am catholic & was raised to think the same.
Also tho when you grow up it makes you think what is real & what is not.
Reading the bible makes you think whats truth & whats contradictions.
Seems theres alot of contradictions in human toughts & nightmarish dreams.
SOmethang they may of made up because the despised same sex relationships thier selves, so they may of made it a law as so to speak.
Alot of people are looking in that same way that the bible may be contradictions.

Bad abuse when you were very young, may it be family or even a nieghbor can mentally change the way you think.
Sex abuse & mental combined is the worst combo but it can happen depending on who & what sex etc.

Unfortunately those are real facts that others dont like to think about & it is sad but it is true & the sad part about it is the people doing the abuse or the contradictions dont even know what they are doing.
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jaxxa
jaxxa

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posted December 29, 2003 05:22 PM

well indeed it has to do with live experiences, like abuse, yes or no. but its not how your raised, but the way the society reacts to it around you. I'm a catholic and i don't have a problem with gays, just don't touch me and allthough my religion, i wouldn't even respond to what the bible says. i can asure you that there where more gays, bisexual and child abusers, in the time of christ, then there is today. it wouldn't suprise me if christ himself was bisexual. some places react to gays and bisexual like there a spawn of the devil, but if you take a country like the Netherlands, sexuality whether its about beeing gay, bisexual or just straight is open. a bisexual, what are alot over here or gay, are just as common as feeding your pet. yet in some places in lets say America its forbidden. i know a few bisexual and gay myself, but i don't see the problem. there friendly, more then some straights i know, proberly there feminen side. They are who they are. Don't try and change them, treath them like you would like to be treated. if they would like the get married let them. there just human beeings.  
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Asmodean
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posted January 09, 2004 05:53 PM bonus applied.

As I'm reading these last few posts I can't help but wonder.
Have anyone of you guys ever talked to a gay person?
Are you under the impression that it's a conscious choice?
Let me give you a gay guy's perspective.
From I was about 9 or 10, when i learned what the term 'gay' actually meant. I was also able to figure out, by the way I heard people used the term that it wasn't a universally approved phenomenon.
But I also realised pretty early on that I was gay. So out of self preservation I didn't tell anyone.
Growing up in Belfast, Ireland, going to a Catholic boys school you get used to hearing the term 'snow' and 'queerboy' when guys are insulting each other. They probably don't even realise what they're saying at that age.
But changes nothing. You either ARE or you're not. I certainly never made any kind of 'choice' of lifestyle or whatever cute wee phrases you hear on TV.
So to talk about gay people in the abstract, about 'banning' gay behaviour or other nonsense it makes me pretty angry.
I DON'T ask for any kind of special treatment because I'm gay, I don't want any kind of public holiday or extra benefits or anything. I just want to be left alone to get on with my life without the hassle of small minded people thinking that I'm being gay out of spite, or to be non-conformist.
Maybe it'd be nice to have a 'normal' life where I'd get married to some girl and have kids. Maybe some religious leaders think I can 'pray out the gay'. But I can't. And it's not a sin otherwise God wouldn't have let me be born this way.
Me getting married would just ruin some poor girls life when I'm not attracted to her and she ends up feeling used and abused, wasting her life.
I'm not gonna say any more, but I'd just like everyone who posted here to have a think about you think you know about gay people, and ask yourself if gay people know it too?
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consis
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posted January 09, 2004 08:51 PM
Edited By: consis on 6 Sep 2004

Be Patient And Wait For The Answer

Excellent post Dargon.

I'll offer what I think is going to be the answer to this question. The question:

"Is a gay person gay because he/she was born that way or is a gay person gay through a matter of choice?"

The absolute first detail one should enlighten themselves with when looking at the question is the word 'person'. Whether the answer is genetic or by choice they that live the question will always be people, more specifically, a person. I am a person. My wife is a person. My child is a person. My friend is a person. My brother/sister is a person. My friends are all each their own person. I believe a person is another human being that could be any one of those to me. What is interesting is that sometimes the name of the person will change but they remain solidly human. All the world is a stage; To err is to be human; To be or not to be that is the question; Prick us do we not bleed; A rose by any other name is still a rose; Better to have found love and lost it than to never have found love at all; etc....so on and so forth....

The answer to the question, choice or by birth 'Am I homosexual?', is about to be answered in the very near future. I believe that the answer is in the highly contraversial science of cloning.

A clone is an exact duplicate genetically speaking ofcourse. The question is:

1. What influences our decision-making process?(as Dargon pointed out)
2. If a person is cloned will the clone make the same choices as it's doner being that it has the same genes?
3. If the doner is homosexual will the clone be homosexual?

Whatever the answer may be we must always remember that a person is still a person and is entitled to the rights of any other human being.

I will be patient and wait for the answer and while I wait I'll respond to 'the person' as I would any other. I trust to the love in my heart and I will most certainly show it when I feel I should do so.
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Khaelo
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posted January 09, 2004 10:56 PM
Edited By: Khaelo on 9 Jan 2004

choice again?

Cloning will not help the choice debate.  It will only contribute to the nature/nurture debate.  Genetic inclination is one factor that can nullify the choice argument, but it's not the only factor.

English is my native language.  Am I genetically programmed to speak English?  No.  Did I choose to speak English?  No.

Gay & bi people say repeatedly that we did not choose.  Why doesn't anyone believe us?
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Romana
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posted January 09, 2004 11:06 PM

I do not see the importance of knowing the answer to the question: gay by birth or choice
The outcome would either be by birth or by choice..does it really matter?

We each do what we FEEL is right for our own person and as long as we dont harm anyone in the pursuit of it , it doesn't matter if you're homosexual or heterosexual or bisexual.
A good person is a good person regardless of their sexuality.

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Shadowcaster
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posted January 10, 2004 06:52 AM

Now that we've established that gays don't choose to be so, I ask this question. Is it possible, then, for a homosexual to choose to become a heterosexual?
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IRh
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posted January 10, 2004 02:04 PM

How can you *decide* what to feel?
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Maybe it'd be nice to have a 'normal' life where I'd get married to some girl and have kids. ...
Me getting married would just ruin some poor girls life when I'm not attracted to her and she ends up feeling used and abused, wasting her life.


That's the answer Shadowcaster.

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jaxxa
jaxxa

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posted January 10, 2004 02:47 PM

well sorry, Shadowcaster but i think its differents to each induvidual. some might be born that way, but others choose to be so. but its like Romana said its not important. you either are or not, or your still exploring your quriousity. as for your question:Is it possible, then, for a homosexual to choose to become a heterosexual? no, for then its not a homosexual, but a hetero, that is still exploring, for its sexuall prefences, experimenting.

and how do you dicide what to feel. just by listening to it, and to your hart. your body knows what it wants.

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Aculias
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posted January 10, 2004 07:34 PM

Quote:
As I'm reading these last few posts I can't help but wonder.
Have anyone of you guys ever talked to a gay person?
Are you under the impression that it's a conscious choice?
Let me give you a gay guy's perspective.
From I was about 9 or 10, when i learned what the term 'gay' actually meant. I was also able to figure out, by the way I heard people used the term that it wasn't a universally approved phenomenon.
But I also realised pretty early on that I was gay. So out of self preservation I didn't tell anyone.
Growing up in Belfast, Ireland, going to a Catholic boys school you get used to hearing the term 'snow' and 'queerboy' when guys are insulting each other. They probably don't even realise what they're saying at that age.
But changes nothing. You either ARE or you're not. I certainly never made any kind of 'choice' of lifestyle or whatever cute wee phrases you hear on TV.
So to talk about gay people in the abstract, about 'banning' gay behaviour or other nonsense it makes me pretty angry.
I DON'T ask for any kind of special treatment because I'm gay, I don't want any kind of public holiday or extra benefits or anything. I just want to be left alone to get on with my life without the hassle of small minded people thinking that I'm being gay out of spite, or to be non-conformist.
Maybe it'd be nice to have a 'normal' life where I'd get married to some girl and have kids. Maybe some religious leaders think I can 'pray out the gay'. But I can't. And it's not a sin otherwise God wouldn't have let me be born this way.
Me getting married would just ruin some poor girls life when I'm not attracted to her and she ends up feeling used and abused, wasting her life.
I'm not gonna say any more, but I'd just like everyone who posted here to have a think about you think you know about gay people, and ask yourself if gay people know it too?


Well welcome to the club here buddy.
Not many think that people who love the same sex has feelings & theres alot of cruel people out there like this yesterday I am listening to the Howard Stern show going to work & this caller calls about him going to prison.

Reason why is because he hates people who like the same sex.
What he did was go on the net & talk to people who like the same sex & talk to them till they finally decided to meet.
As soon as they meet,he asks alot of question & finally after he gets the right responses after asking what he like to do to them he pulls off his undercover sweater to pose as police with  all the equipment yall need & threatened to give him hard jail time orless he pays a fine in cash.

He made 600 bucks.
He did it again & got even more but the third time was a set up.
It was same person as the first he picked up on but he changed his screen name & set up same thang but instead undercover & cops busted him.

On the stern show he didnt regret all & refuses to pay them back etc as far as I know & it was total hate towards people who like the same sex.
All at stations like dang dude.

Point is theres alot of hate & I'll make sure you will have a good time here.
Everyone is the same it's justs that your a little more sensetive, nothing wrong with that.



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Asmodean
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posted January 10, 2004 07:40 PM

Nah it's cool.
I was reading all the posts and there just didn't seem to be any from my team, so i stuck my two bits in.
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Shadowcaster
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posted January 10, 2004 09:27 PM

Just letting everyone know that I meant no offense with my question. I do not oppose the existence of gays, though I, in my closed-mindedness, used to based solely on my beliefs. I sometimes believe things that I cannot back up, for that very reason, and in doing so, closed out all opposing ideas from having any relevance in my mind.

I very recently went back to review the thread "Same Sex Marriages" to see on what grounds and with what points I opposed homosexuality. I intended to arm myself for this thread, but quite the opposite ended up happening. Instead of reading others' rebuttals to my ideas with the intent of forming my own arguments to try and refute theirs, I came to see the sense and solid evidence in their posts and the lack thereof in my own. I had no basis for my arguments, and I apologize to any victims of my stubbornness from that thread. Sometimes it's best to yield, I have learned.

What I'm trying to say is that, while I still believe that homosexuality is wrong, I'm not going to try and "convert" others to my way of thinking as I have done in the past and I'm not going to put down or frown upon those who were born in that state of mind. I concede all previous arguments against homosexuality save the one having to do with religion, and I ask forgiveness for pushing so hard in the first place.
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jaxxa
jaxxa

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posted January 10, 2004 11:04 PM

ok, but for the sake of argumenting, why would it be wrong? its not any different then you or anybody falling in love with whom ever you love, who cares whether, he or she is from the same sex. how would you feel, if someone said, no you cannot fall in love with him or her. is your own happines, not important. place yourself in there shoes, is there own happines not important either? How would one feel, if someone tried to change you, because they did not like the way you do surtain things, is it not important, that one remains whom ever she or he is. beeing yourself is what makes you complete. doing what you think is good for your feeling. So why change that person, just because one does not like the fact that they are atracted to the same sex. it does not make one a lesser person. they are the still the same. infact i think they are in a way better, why? for one simple reason they have to face the judgement, every day, of each induvidual they meet. explaining them selfs over and over, why they are who they are.


Aculias asked in a way, if one has even met a gay person, yes many. the sister of my bestfriends girlfriend and her cousin are both gay. and i have two gay friends and a bisexual uncle. but like that cousin, he is only sixteen, and just came out. i do not pity him, but envy!!!
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Aculias
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posted January 11, 2004 08:34 PM

Well thats dif Jaxxa, Women being gay means that noth guys & girls mostly like that but guys being gay means both women & guys hate that,go figure huh .
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Khaelo
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posted January 11, 2004 10:26 PM

Man, just when I'm ready to give up all hope in humanity, somebody like Shadowcaster goes and restores it again...

The religious objection to homosexuality/bisexuality is the one line of argument I won't touch.
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Aculias
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posted January 11, 2004 10:36 PM

Lady looks like a duuude dodo do dodo.
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Thunder
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posted January 12, 2004 11:09 PM

Every Christian should know what did happen in Sodom and Gomorra. So I'm not going to speak of it, just remind.

But I say this: Lust is the degraded form of love.
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Romana
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posted January 13, 2004 12:49 PM

Ever Christian should also know that Jesus said prayer should be a private affair devoid of public display:

“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you they have received their reward.  But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret...“  (Matthew 6:5-6 RSV).  

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