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Thunder
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posted January 13, 2004 03:39 PM
Edited By: Thunder on 13 Jan 2004

*Draws a guillotine from his pocket.*

*Puts Romana into it.*

"Your futile attempt at amusing me has FAILED!"

*SNAP*

*CLASH*

"Now I need a new jester, volunteers?"

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Peacemaker
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posted January 13, 2004 05:34 PM

I second Khaelo's post by Shadowcaster.  Not that he changed his mind to agree with us, but that it takes real depth for anyone to absorb and be persuaded by arguments and information that run against one's deeply-held beliefs, either way.

I call for a qp here.  Here's to you, Shadowcaster.

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Romana
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Thx :D
posted January 13, 2004 07:41 PM

Excuse me Consis if you missed my sarcasm.. but please go ahead with your rant since you're obviously so good at it..

The point i tried to make in respons to Thunder's reply is that anyone can cite scripture for their own purpose. I was trying to point out that I do not believe that God condemns homosexuals

THANK YOU

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posted January 13, 2004 10:00 PM

My post was merely a warning for those who have wisdom enough to understand its meaning. Nothing else.

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bort
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posted January 13, 2004 10:06 PM

I understood the purpose of your post Romana, and I agree with you.
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posted January 13, 2004 10:12 PM
Edited By: Khaelo on 13 Jan 2004

Quote:
But I say this: Lust is the degraded form of love.

This has already been discussed on the other thread as de-humanizing gays & bisexuals.
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IRh
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posted January 13, 2004 11:13 PM

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From I was about 9 or 10, when i learned what the term 'gay' actually meant.

Yay! This age, I began to suspect that women don't have penis!

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The religious objection to homosexuality/bisexuality is the one line of argument I won't touch.

And all others...
Yes... Atheist and believer arguing about life are like draughts players with white on white, black on black... You say it's a sin I say who cares You say God I say that means nobody It's just a useless toss...
May be we need two Other Side forums - for believers and for normal ppl ...

BTW I've read about cool thing: two men can have a child! They take a special cell (dunno the English term) from a MAN and transform it into an ovule! Then impregnate it and plug it into a woman and after 9 month theres a baby!
And the another technology makes it possible for a man to be pregnant (with any zygote)!

P.S. Love is a special form of lust.
But, it's 4 another topic...
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Nidhgrin
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posted January 14, 2004 12:10 AM
Edited By: Nidhgrin on 13 Jan 2004

Not really joining in this discussion because I don't really understand... why people have problems with homosexuality.  So here's a question I'd like to ask to all those who regard homosexuality as something hmm... unnatural/wrong, why do you feel this way?  Do you feel personally threatened or something?  Why should they be excluded from normal social, economical or other activities?

I'm not talking about adoption or children, those are in my opinion debatable topics but what could possibly be wrong with people who prefer to share their intimacy and sexuality with people of the same, or both genders?  They don't harm you with it no?

Though I'm straight myself, spending some time in the world of art I have a number of gay or bi friends and you know... all of them are really nice people, softer and more integer than many straight people.

To be gay is not a crime, narrowmindedness and prejudice are.  If you believe that your god sees homosexuality as a crime, that's your right but why not let your god be the judge instead of taking up a rock and throwing it yourself?  Believe me, most gay people have a hard enough time already admitting to themselves they are gay because of social pressure.  If you don't have financial problems, are white, male and straight perhaps it's good to sometimes stop and think... there are people who have to fight every day.  It's easy to point at them from where you stand, the more mainstream you are the easier it is to just follow the stream...

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Sir_Stiven
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posted January 14, 2004 01:05 PM

Consis, if you are as much into the bible as you claim to be you should know that its filled with metaphores (spelling?). And metaphores can be interpeted in different ways in different situations. So as much as you try and condemn Romana for making that bible quote i can see where she is coming from using it and IMO she makes a good point.

Then if you understand it or not isnt her problem, but dont try and make her look like some bible abuser because of it.


As for the rest of this debate im not seeing the point in it anymore, no one is saying that homosexuality is bad and shouldnt exist now and yet everyone is bringing up their view that homosexuality should be OK. Bring up new issues instead of looking for acceptance by agreeing with everyone else.

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Sir_Stiven
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posted January 14, 2004 06:47 PM
Edited By: Sir_Stiven on 14 Jan 2004

lol

i dont even know where to start.

lol...i still havent stopped laughing. What a toss.

Ive never said that i have anything at all against homosexuals because i dont. But i dont see the point in repeating what everyone else has been saying here for atleast the last two pages. No matter if the outside world has a different acceptance of homosexuals, what does it contribute when everyone goes:

X: homosexuality is ok, you should love whoever you love.
Y: homosexuality is ok, you cant help which gender you feel attracted too.
Z: homosexuality is ok, being gay is something you are born with..not a disease or being weird.
W: yeah i think homosexuality is ok too.
V: homosexuality is ok, i got many gay friends and i support them.

and so on.

Because this is how the discussion is going at the moment, which was my point with my last post. NO ONE is arguing with you, you all brought up good points about what being gay is all about but now its more of a broken CD history which keeps repeating itself.

And talking about the outside world, how does this help when everyone just sits and agree here and does nothing else to stop it. Do you believe that is contributing to the sitaution as a whole?

I sure dont, so take your judging character somewhere else if you wanna play God. Or even better, try and make a real difference to the subject if you are so into it. Get out and make an effort to help the gay community instead of lashing out on those who dont say what you believe is right.

EDIT: missed the first part because of your BB code mess up...

Im aware of that Romana can speak up for herself, but if you make a ridicioulus attack on her in a public forum then expect that the public will have an opinion on it aswell. Point was her quote was very well on topic but obviously you didnt understand it and just wrote if off as a rape on the bible.

oh and btw, learn to spell my handle right.

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Sir_Stiven
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posted January 14, 2004 07:43 PM

yeah excellent example there, show an agreement with dargon as a way how you disagree here lol.

And i was talking about God in a judging way, i dont care if you have created 3 children, a wooden chair and a toothbrush if thats the case. Im talking about your judgemental character to anyone who opposes the bible.

Just because you are a follower of it doesnt give you the right to try and toss the others away like they have some disease. Because that consis, is was prince_legolas is doing aswell. So maybe you should drop your judging character and try and learn your ways around first. It would make things easier for you around here im sure.

And my handle is still spelled Sir_Stiven.

So here are 4 words for you:

GET

A

SPELLING

PROGRAM


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Sir_Stiven
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posted January 14, 2004 08:49 PM

lol

your funny.

Not the boring spell stuff... but just you.

While your using the dictionary, please look the word "sarcasm" up. That one might actually do you a favour

instead of just proving where you would have disagreed with dargon you bring up a dictionary to show the difference between 2 words... well if that makes you happy then keep doing so. Will be hard for you though if you are to agree with someone and only have to use similiar words to do so.. maybe its great you got that dictionary after all.

And ive alrdy made my opinion known in another thread with a similiar topic. But then there actually were people who where against gay people and therefor it came to a good discussion. I dont see that here.

All i see was an agreement thread when romana made a quote and you went berserk because of it. A quote that make sense i might add. So either take a chill pill or work the quote out.

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Asmodean
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posted January 14, 2004 09:27 PM

Hmm. Lots of feeling here.
I've kind of held myself back since 'coming out' to the forum, just to see what other people will write.
I have to say I like the fact that so many people have seen the heart of the issue.

Just a few points.

Everyone that quotes a bible verse, whether it says that gays are all evil, or that we should have peace and love no matter what, I have a question.
Without getting into a philosophical debate over this, what has Christianity got to do with it? There are loads of other religions out there. And my friends that are also gay, they have nothing to do with religion, it's not a part of their lives. Quoting verses will never change their minds.

I also know a pair of identical twins, one gay one straight. People will point to this and say 'AHA! You CANT be born gay!' Even in the face of this I have to disagree. From my own experience I was born gay. I have never felt any sexual attraction towards the opposite sex.

And btw. Concis and Sir Stiven - keep it up. My sides are splitting here guys.
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IRh
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posted January 14, 2004 10:04 PM

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But then there actually were people who where against gay people and therefor it came to a good discussion. I dont see that here.

We should call Human!

Yes, when I read such threads I've a bit shocked. All think homosexuality is OK. While in my neighbourhood, any words allied with homosexuality are considered insults. I've told about this thread to a few my friends, and they were surprised, too. And, as Consis accuratly noticed, in RL homosexuals have problems... So, WHY are we so democratic?
- because we are internet lovers and forum-posters?
- because you are in majority from civilised world not Russia/Africa/etc?
- because we are Heroes of Might and Magic?
Or...
- because we are at the forum and not RL talk?


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Valeriy
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posted January 14, 2004 10:45 PM

To Consis

I am making this post as a moderator of this forum.

I have sent you an IM, but recieved no reply, so this calls for the following post.

From my point of view you have been taking on two extra roles in this thread, and thereby made people annoyed and upset. Those are the roles of moderator and god.

You seem to tell people, in rather offensive manner, what an ontopic and offtopic post is. And you also tell people how the Bible is to be used and how the Bible is not to be used. You have a perfect right to say that a post is off-topic and to say that Bible should not be used a certain way. But as a moderator I ask you to stop acting like your opinion on these matters is THE truth and acting like other people are inferior for having an opinion that differs from yours.

I think your discrimination against people who use Bible in a certain way is not very different from discrimination that some people have towards gay people.
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consis
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posted January 14, 2004 11:18 PM
Edited By: consis on 6 Sep 2004

I Bow Before The True God

Once again I'm not worthy. I have no idea why I don't recieve IM's from you Valeriy. It might have something to do with the fact that I am unable to edit any post I make.

Anyway you are the 'Mage of the Land' therefore I relent humbly before you and kiss your feet. Sir_Stiven you win. Romana you win. I lose for having one man's opinion. That's all it is. That's all I am, one man. If someone doesn't agree with me that's fine. I was merely looking to keep the debate on track. Me telling someone to direct their opinions toward the topic of debate is simply asking them to follow the rule that you created. I don't think I was wrong because it says in your rules that members should try and stay on topic. I guess this means I should keep my big mouth shut and try to be a better Heroes Community member by toning down my enthusiastic replies. In fact I'll turn myself into a robot and eliminate all human emotion. I'm committed to becoming a better member(sic).

It just isn't fair Valeriy. I followed the HC rules. I stayed on topic while they did not. I feel you're punishing me for my exuberance. I just wanted those guys to stop throwing bible jokes at each other while the rest of us were being open about how we feel on this topic. As you know the bible is interpreted in many different ways. Tossing a bible joke could cause people to wonder what the true meaning of the joke was and even possibly be offended. A joke isn't funny unless the people who hear it consider it to be a joke. As you could tell it was an inside joke meant for two people while the rest of us wondered what that meant. It may otherwise be construed as offensive and degrading especially in a touchy subject like the one we're talking about.

It is now,(in my humble opinion), that when putting forth the truth of the matter on a topic about "Gay People" one should always remind one's self that the majority of the world we live in opposes such an idea. They consider it to be "unnatural" and sometimes "against God's law". Either way you slice it I most certainly do not think this thread to be the best medium for bible jokes. Some people are hunted and killed for being gay! Some people are refused basic medical care or shunned like they had the black plague just for being attracted to the opposite sex. If you can prove to me that telling bible jokes in the midst of a discussion on how to sociologically combat Gay-bashing and other sorts of racist type behavior then I will most certainly yield. Until then I don't accept insider bible jokes to be appropriate in a topic like this.
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Valeriy
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posted January 14, 2004 11:46 PM

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Sir_Steven you win. Romana you win. I lose for having one man's opinion. I guess this means I should keep my big mouth shut and try to be a better Heroes Community member by toning down my enthusiastic replies. In fact I'll turn myself into a robot and eliminate all human emotion. I'm committed to becoming a better member(sic).


I think you've misunderstood my post.

Quote:
You have a perfect right to say that a post is off-topic and to say that Bible should not be used a certain way. But as a moderator I ask you to stop acting like your opinion on these matters is THE truth and acting like other people are inferior for having an opinion that differs from yours.


I did not say that: your opinion is wrong, you have no right to express your opinion, someone's opinion is better than yours.
You have full right to any opinion and you can express it here, and it's not worse than anyone elses. I just asked you to express it without putting other people down like:

Quote:
Hey look, you just quoted from the bible! Wow you're good.


Quote:
That's what I expect to hear from someone who has just blatently and disregardfully said, "Hey I read the bible look at me I can plug any ad-lib sentence with verses!"


You did not break the code of conduct, I'm just asking you this for the sake of peacekeeping.


You are not able to edit your posts because you log in without a capital C. To edit a post you must log in with same upper and lower case as when the post was made.
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posted January 14, 2004 11:52 PM


I do not feel like a winner.
I'm just sorry my post was misunderstood.

I shall try to explain why my post was ontopic.
In my surroundings whenever I have a debate about gay people , most people use the argument against homosexuality by referring to a section in the bible where it says God condemns Homosexuals. What i was trying to point out with my quote is how some people use the Bible to justify their feelings.

Anyone can use a quote from the bible for every situation you can think of and come out smelling like a rose.
The quote i chose in particular for me was a perfect example of how people use scripture for their own purpose, because a lot of people go to church and according to the bible this would be considered a sin also. Then why is going to church ok but being gay not?

This is my opinion and I also like to give it without fearing a hurtfull reply.


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Consis
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posted January 15, 2004 12:05 AM
Edited By: Consis on 6 Sep 2004

Thankyou Romana


That finally clears it up. I must admit without your clarification I truly did not understand what your post meant Romana. Someone mentioned it was a sarcastic reply to which I thought it may have been a joke of some kind. I apologize for coming down on you like a hammer but I live in America and you must realize that we Americans have had our fill of evangelistic nonsense. It's sickening when they do what you just explained. It is totally true that some people think they can plug any sentence with bible quotes and come out smelling like a rose. You are so right and I am so sick of people doing that. Forgive me for my haste I did not understand the meaning of your post.

To get back on topic, how do the members of this community feel about being more pro-active towards helping Gay people as Sir_Stiven suggested? What kinds of things can we think of that might contribute to the plight of a homosexual person? These are questions one man cannot answer. It would take more intervention, I would think, than just a few enthusiastic opinions.
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posted January 15, 2004 04:58 AM

Those kind of people dont need help, thier the same as us it's just thier sexual apearance.
Basically a man being gay means besaically you are talking to a woman & goes both way with a woman.

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