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Don't even think about patronizing me over some civil rights.
Consis, first of all you are not among the ones who I meant to address, and second, whatever forerunner position the US may have had or not (the declaration of human rights is a little bit older than Martin Luther Kingīs activities) does not really have much to do with the the human rights situation and understanding in America today.
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As for my understanding of terrorism you seem to know all about it.
You donīt need to know all about terrorism, and you donīt need to be an expert in order to know that it cannot be fought solely by "hunting down the terrorists one by one". Terrorism feeds on poverty, lack of future perspectives, religious or national extremism, humiliation of their people - the feeling that injustice is done to them, lack of an education system which leads to children being brought up and indoctrinated to becoming living bombs.
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if I took pics outside my window you would see mexicans loading up their work truck from a days work of semi decent pay. If I go down the street and take pics.. You would see waitresses and cooks in this resturaunt serving people for crap pay, then they go home to their families. Accross the street is 7-11, middle easter guys work their and everything, so they can feed their families. Movie store, just a guy working to feed his family.
Oriental resturaunts, a small tobacco store run by middle easterns, a tavern, I mean, these people are not involved. They just live their life. But still, theres a crap load of people complainging about the world because of what leaders and terrorists do.
Down the street theres a university in which middle aged people go back to school with 20 year olds. They apply themselves so they can go do things to feed themselves and family. Perhaps even become well off.
At the same time the threat of terrorist action is much lower because we are ther, but a few people (not all the ones who just try to feed their family) messed upbig time so this is the result. A world full of crap.
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Ok, sorry for my slowness in response. I will turn back the time now. Fisrt, I'm sorry Peacemaker I will ruin the moment of goodness you're thriving in now, but I can't keep positive energy with all the negative things happening.
Going back to your top post of the page.
You said I should give credit when it's worth it. I know, that's one of my biggest character flaws. I usually try to bring up disagreements and talk about them, while I leave the parts of agreement or approval, cos I have the impression they are self-explainatory. But, they are not. I should make the effort more often. I know many people here think of me as the ultimate US hater, but I know intimately they are wrong. However, whenever I say something, it's not a prejudice as you said, although mostly it's negative. I'm obsessed with pointing at the bad and flawed, and trying to fix it, and in the meantime I forget to emphasize the good.
In this respect, will you allow me to say that I admire those American people as you said, that demand responsibility from their elected legitimate leaders. Those are the ones that give me hope that your country still has future. Unfortunately, there are less and less voices of reason.
angelito, I'll leave Cuba and Iraq alone for now. Those are extensive issues; a lot to be said (actually already been said); just know that i don't agree with what you said.
Lews, respect man!
Consis, sorry bro, you're the "lucky" one who gets all my negative energy in this one. 
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As for my understanding of what civil rights is, my country sets the modern day standard for civil rights movements.
God help us (and especially the prisoners) if what you're saying is true. And as for your understading of civil rights, I can say you either don't understand them or don't want other people to have them (which I clearly doubt). Otherwise, you wouldn't have acted like you do now.
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In case you don't remember, Dr. Martin Luther King jr. was an american.
Lucky you. And in case you dont remember, if it hadn't been him, you would've still be stuck in racial society, full of discrimination. USA managed to become a non-racist country as late as the 60's. So don't brag about it, be ashamed.
As far as minor incidents and donations are concerned (ie propaganda), we can give examples for eternity. No point in that. We have to take account of the major facts. For now we have: invasion, no UN mandate, no WMD, occupation, massive human rights violation, lack of moral support, a lucrative chance for business deals for american companies, dying civilians, a movement for liberation of Iraq (not terrorists) and many many dead people on both sides. Did I miss anything?
EDIT: In the spirit of the positivist attitude Peacemkaer advocates, I can add a brutal dictator no longer in power. That's one plus, however.
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And I still haven't got a straight answer to my question. Heaven forbid - are any of you skirting round that issue?
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question answered?
The fiasco involving the destroyed wedding party was indeed reported in the American media. Since I have long since stopped reading past the headlines regarding Iraq, I have no idea how the mainstream spun the story. However, liberal commentators have not been shy about using it as an example.
[Edit: Snarkiness regarding Turkey as a Scandanavian country removed, since original mistake has been corrected.  ]
Edit 2: Someone (off HC) who does read past the headlines informs me that the US military has denied that the wedding party incident actually happened...just for the record.
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Thanx Khaelo
Edited my post to fix hamsi's nationality (sorry dude) - memo to self, must pay attention
[off topic]I wouldn't be so hard on USA about it's racial thing. Up to last year I thought my own country was mostly unaffected by that kind of trouble, since we had our own branch of intolerances on the go.
Now that almost normal life has returned, we are seeing an awful lot of racially motivated crimes, that maybe we never noticed with all the other crap going on.[/off topic]
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posted May 26, 2004 02:48 AM |
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You donīt need to know all about terrorism, and you donīt need to be an expert in order to know that it cannot be fought solely by "hunting down the terrorists one by one". Terrorism feeds on poverty, lack of future perspectives, religious or national extremism, humiliation of their people - the feeling that injustice is done to them, lack of an education system which leads to children being brought up and indoctrinated to becoming living bombs.
In addition to this, I've got something else to add.
Terrorists are not some crazy evil men, as you all have the impression. (I'm gonna be so flamed for saying this!) They are normal people, victims of the circumstances Lews already mentioned. I have this theory:
Most of you Americans there, have the idea that the world is devided Good vs. Evil. There are those "terrorists" that come straight from hell and they are here to take everything you love away from you.
Reality check. The world isn't a Disney cartoon or a Shwarzeneger movie. (serious remark: I think Hollywood (and medias altogether) is the very core of this propaganda)
This duality (aided by political propaganda) is what makes most Americans unable to believe that they are the "bad guys" in most cases, when they think they know all there is to know. Terrorists caused 9/11. Period. But in fact, Americans are not the bad guys either. Neither is. That's the point. There isn't just the good guys and the bad guys. There are also the goody bad guys, the benevolent evil guys, the evilish saint-like guys etc.
That's why I don't like when people mention terrorists. It's not terrorists you are after in Iraq. The War against Terror cannot be won with conventional wars and invading countries. Quite the opposite; you'll only stimulate terror. Cut the root, don't hit on the thorns.
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You donīt need to know all about terrorism, and you donīt need to be an expert in order to know that it cannot be fought solely by "hunting down the terrorists one by one". Terrorism feeds on poverty, lack of future perspectives, religious or national extremism, humiliation of their people - the feeling that injustice is done to them, lack of an education system which leads to children being brought up and indoctrinated to becoming living bombs.
Lews_Therin speaks the truth. It is what it is. Sometimes the truth can be a difficult thing to see. Lews_Therin has a clear mind and a good conscience.
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The War against Terror cannot be won with conventional wars and invading countries. Quite the opposite; you'll only stimulate terror. Cut the root, don't hit on the thorns.
Svarog speaks the truth. He too, has clarity of mind. It is good to read reality as opposed to someone's perception thereof.
I come full circle to the topic of this thread. Is it worse? I still don't know, however I am all the more content to know of certain truths which do exist whether spoken of or not. This is what I search for.
To me, war is not a search for answers to questions. War is the final decision of a desperate people. Are we americans so desperate that we must invade Iraq? Are we so ignorant that we assumed our soldiers wouldn't torture their prisoners? I might not personally, but I am only one man. Is that not what happens in war? Soldiers torture their prisoners, especially young irresponsible gungho men. I suppose we can add women to that now. Where did we go wrong? I say we went wrong by not reminding ourselves what war truly is. War is not some simple equation of tossing numbers around until victory is calculated. War is defense and offense, aggression and submission, trust and treachery, life and death. How arrogant my countrymen must have been to agree to a war as unjust as this. Oh the price of my freedom becomes all too clear now that I have forsaken it. Why then does this prisoner abuse seem so out of the ordinary to a people whose elected representatives voted in favor of war? How stupid could they be, or I be? We must end this war. War and successive occupation is not the answer to any question. They should be the last resort of a desperate people trying to survive, and that my fellow americans, we are not.
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I see your all to busy disagreeing and agreeing with eachother. Have you sick debates based on individual ignorance, belifes, or whatever else it may be. I am only at HC today, because the majority of humans are like you.
What do I have to say to make you people on oposite sides realize your nothing but men claiming to be right? If the awnser is there, clear as day,
then why are you having such a hard time convincing eachother?
*most humans names here* "because I am usualy right"
When someone preahces noo righteousness, but instead pure peace, Your to skeptikle and everythang to get over yourselves. "no such thing as utopia.. No way possible to even strive, we're all a bunch of sick humans in this demented world, selfish, selfobsorbed, standing up for what we think is right, standing up for nothing but our own which is really ourselves.. Forget peace and all possibilities its impossible. "
That definatly goes for republican and democrat fanatics too.
It also goes for people who say they are right, and that they know what is right. Quote:
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let them have their pride, let the unfreed have their glory.
(similar to people unpluged in the matrix talking all like life is everything when they dont even know what is real)
let the unfreed have their pride and glory.
worthless, a bunch of humans knowing who is right and who is not. Sick..
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posted May 26, 2004 07:39 AM |
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What do I have to say to make you people on oposite sides realize your nothing but men claiming to be right?
No. Those who are here to seriously discuss, myself included, do this at least to a good part in order to learn, to find out where they are wrong, and thus minimize their own errors.
Having an opinion AND an open mind is probably the best pre-condition for learning. Of course thereīs nothing wrong either with being undecided, if you lack a minimum amount of information on the subject, or if you find two sidesī arguments equally convincing.
In any case, more arguments, more facts, more views will be helpful to sharpen your mind and either improve the coherence of your thoughts and opinions, or to change them.
What you suggest though sounds to me like resign oneself into oneīs own ignorance and make an arbitrary choice instead, or none at all. I do not see any progress in that mentality. Had it been our forefathersī, we might still be living in the Stone Ages.
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well, i give your -possibly typical- claim of a openmindedness the benifit of the doubt. It seems you do not give me one however.. As folows Quote:
What you suggest though sounds to me like resign oneself into oneīs own ignorance and make an arbitrary choice instead, or none at all. I do not see any progress in that mentality. Had it been our forefathersī, we might still be living in the Stone Ages.
(i am glad you said "it sounds to me" )
If the whole world is grouped into different crowds screaming "WE ARE RIGHT", then mabey I would prefer the simple life of a caveman in peace with one another. But my "mentality" did not hinder the evolution of man kind. My mentality for one thing was hardly available to them anyways. and for another, my mentality (as you think you might understand) is not common at all and so far has never been introduced into the politics of the world. It is the majorities and their political stands that consume the prestige and chairs of this earth. Of course, had our forefathers been different for the better, then our world wouldn't be so ***Fd up now, would it
Your open mind can convince you new things, from realizing errors of thought. You can go to school, read articles, and drown yourself in facts, I will always find it hard to belive there can be men on the earth who submersed in facts, can have "the awnsers" the.. convictions, belifes, which are important, correct, the right way to think.. ect.
If -retoricly speaking- anyone of you are one of these men, it apears as though you would be in a group of people oposing another group of people. Both claiming to be right of course..
My choice? I wont go into it in this thread (mabey later, but probably not), but trust me its not what it may seem to you as "resign oneself into oneīs own ignorance and make an arbitrary choice instead, or none at all. "
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well, i give your -possibly typical- claim of a openmindedness the benifit of the doubt.
That is your good right of course. To be more concrete, here is my spontaneous definition of openmindedness:
Willingness to change my view or opinion if certain conditions are met. These conditions may consist either of new facts, or of an argument that refutes one or more arguments which my view or opinion is built on.
(Of course this definition, like everything else, is open for improvement.)
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i am glad you said "it sounds to me"
I said "it sounds to me" because I exactly mean it. If my impression is wrong, Iīm sure that you will clarify where I understand you wrongly and what your suggestion is instead.
And if our forefathers had not tried to find answers, Iīm not sure that we would be living on a better planet now. Nothing wrong with calling todayīs world f***ed up, I just wonder if you are able to point out a past time or age that you would prefer to live in.
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I will always find it hard to belive there can be men on the earth who submersed in facts, can have "the awnsers"
Itīs almost certain that we will never be able to rightfully claim definite truth, if there is one existing. But we have the means to find out where weīre wrong, sort out those errors, and by this move a tiny little bit closer to the truth - just as if we were placing another small piece of a jigsaw puzzle which has infinite size.
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posted May 26, 2004 02:45 PM |
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I'm convinced, Celf
Heeeey! Do you hear me?!
This is snowed up world! Nobody knows anything. I want peace! Give me peace!
Why are you arguing? Close this thread and let the world go on no matter what path others have chosen for us!
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Most of you Americans there, have the idea that the world is devided Good vs. Evil. There are those "terrorists" that come straight from hell and they are here to take everything you love away from you.
Reality check. The world isn't a Disney cartoon or a Shwarzeneger movie. (serious remark: I think Hollywood (and medias altogether) is the very core of this propaganda)
This duality (aided by political propaganda) is what makes most Americans unable to believe that they are the "bad guys" in most cases, when they think they know all there is to know. Terrorists caused 9/11. Period. But in fact, Americans are not the bad guys either. Neither is. That's the point. There isn't just the good guys and the bad guys. There are also the goody bad guys, the benevolent evil guys, the evilish saint-like guys etc.
Okay, all you fellow Americans. Stand back; let me approach Svarog here a minute.
Svarog, this is one of the best and most important points that you or anyone else has made in the Iraq threads yet. American culture is extremely unaware of its own propaganda devices -- as most deftly characterized in the 1950's-1960's movie and television portrayals of American life. Good people were always good and god-fearing, the villain was always bad.
Now before you guys get all up in arms about this, let me just say some things here. Just think about it for a minute. How many of you ever watched Leave it to Beaver, Lassie, The Lone Ranger, or a John Wayne movie? There is this pristine kind of goodness with which American culture has always characterized and viewed itself. It has always been thus and only got worse after WWII.
The 1960's was the culture's own first attempts to break free of this self-hypnosis, shake the constituency by its roots and get more real. You might not think these mere TV shows had any influence on you because you're too young. Let me tell you that your entire culture, the one whence you arose, was constucted around this myth of American purity. And the more extremely you might be reacting to this allegation, the more deeply you are probobly influenced by this very lingering myth ofwhich I speak.
Again, some examples in the hollywood media: Compare those old portrayals of good-guy versus bad-guy with the more recent portrayals of real life. You wanna see where we really came from? Go rent these movies: Dances With Wolves, Unforgiven, Lonesome Dove.
Sorry to rely on hollywood so deeply. But I am a movie buff. When I walk away from a movie thinking to myself, everybody should see this movie, it's usually because it is showing something about real life in America, both then and now, that people still don't get. There are no good and bad people; only people who do good and bad things, usually some mixture of both, for each and every one of us, no matter where we come from, which side of the fence, what culture.
After decades of the American society's attempt to outgrow this naive good-guy versus bad-guy vision of the world, here comes Bush, committing what I always thought was one of the worse possible faux-pas of all:
The Crusade against terrorism. The Evil Empire.
Oh, sweet Jesus, I thought. This is going to be a disaster.
Svarog, BTW, I really appreciate your response to my last post to you. I think I understand your viewpoint better than I ever did and myself was making negative assumptions about your negative assumptions. But I'll still say this: This is one of those times then people around you need to take your observations to heart.
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Hmm, that sounds about right Peacemaker. I'd like to watch a few flicks with yah in the future. I watched all those except for Lonesome Dove. I hate that movie. And as for the media propaganda influencing our culture I'd say yes but only to a certain extent.
This is related to the topic too. I sit here at home and watch the pictures on t.v. of the prisoner abuse scandal. If you ask me, most the time no one cares what I think, there are certain kinds of people that can be affected by televised propaganda. There are also certain times at which unaffectable people can be affected. The media is a great tool but I don't attribute it to an entire culture. Too many spectrums and differences of thought. As for myself, historically speaking, there aren't many wars that can be justified. I hear people say all the time how we shouldn't wait to get hit by another 9/11. They say we should be more offensive. Well I disagree and there's no amount of televised propaganda that could convince me otherwise. Pearl harbor, The Alamo, and every other time our country has been deliberately attacked were the only times I was convinced we should have gone to war. In fact I disagree with going to war in Afghanistan.
I don't care how many movies are made or pictures that I'm shown of tortured prisoners. If I sit idly by and don't educate myself, i.e. do research, then I am guilty of being a pleab and a patsy. Together with knowledge and wisdom, I'll come to my own opinions, propaganda or not. I am especially weary of the broadcasted messages in the form of a movie, video tape, or photographs. A preponderance of evidence my dear, you know it well, backed by reliable sources. Ah, what a passive thought to have your conviction inlaid with steely resolve
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(i am glad you said "it sounds to me" )
If the whole world is grouped into different crowds screaming "WE ARE RIGHT", then mabey I would prefer the simple life of a caveman in peace with one another. But my "mentality" did not hinder the evolution of man kind. My mentality for one thing was hardly available to them anyways. and for another, my mentality (as you think you might understand) is not common at all and so far has never been introduced into the politics of the world. It is the majorities and their political stands that consume the prestige and chairs of this earth. Of course, had our forefathers been different for the better, then our world wouldn't be so ***Fd up now, would it
Your open mind can convince you new things, from realizing errors of thought. You can go to school, read articles, and drown yourself in facts, I will always find it hard to belive there can be men on the earth who submersed in facts, can have "the awnsers" the.. convictions, belifes, which are important, correct, the right way to think.. ect.
If -retoricly speaking- anyone of you are one of these men, it apears as though you would be in a group of people oposing another group of people. Both claiming to be right of course..
My choice? I wont go into it in this thread (mabey later, but probably not), but trust me its not what it may seem to you as "resign oneself into oneīs own ignorance and make an arbitrary choice instead, or none at all. "
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I find your ideas intriguing, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
No, seriously Celfious I would rally like to hear your choice.I`m looking forward to seeing it.
Anyway, your post Peacemaker has inspired me to open a new thread involving movies.http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?FID=10&TID=12243
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ironic, i should speak of the life of socrates in his later years. In his time, and domaain (democratic athens) the voice of men was much easily heard compared to america. The men killed him, because they belived he was a heretic, and he disturbed the youth from beliveing in the system of Athens. Theres alot of people who do not belive in the system of america. They arent killed for various human natrual reasons.
When I say people dont belive in the system, I would like to draw attention to those who sit in their meek homes, voters or not, and are not satisfied with the government. We of Chicago, and Illinois, are generaly unhappy with the near dictatorship of Daily our governer. In the US constitution, and official documents, it is clear that all members representing us are elected, working for us, and generaly representing our interests.
My next door neighbor is probably unhappy with the people who represent our interests, so why is it, that we cannot change it>? We can, we should beable to in accordance with morals and documentations. But theres really no place where the general public can go to have their voice heard. promarily thanks to activists, idiots, and blabbering fools claiming to be right which make up a vast portion of those who speak publicly Theres over a million US citizens and the press cant take time to hear everyones belifes (see each post in this and similar threads) because its usualy pointless.
Some of my political reforms and inovations have been spoken to even family members. My Mother belive capitolism is a good thing. My own mother thinks my mentality is comunism. I find that disturbing. It is not Comunism, (the word developed by man) its not fabricated like anything ever introduced to mankind. To explain this wouldn't be explaining my choice. However I woulndt mind at a later day, speaking of my political evolutions.
My choice in what aspect?
In the aspect of american politics, the general public dont have enough say in matters.
My Choice in IRAQ?
We messed up we did, I dont see it any better had we not gone however. I think it would be adaquate enough if we merely set up borders, and try to find terrorists. We could also help them build infistructure. But to let terrorists roam freely is insane. We definatly need to send a different message to the Iraq Public, (even though they are led by governments, and Governments are the ones in control of our meek lives). We need them to know we arent trying to interphere with their liberty, and we want them to understand our prime purpose. That is to stop terrorists from threatning innocent people as we saw in 9/11 by establishing non terrorist aiding governments and caputring everyone of them we can. We really need to send a different message! Infact I would say penpal between the public of Iraq and America, but nah.. Why dont they publicize on our news random opinions of the iraqi people? The awnser may be because the Iraqi would be KILLED had he displayed any suport.
I wish we could focus more on important things, like getting water treatment capabilities to the majority of the world. Yes, if I'm not mistaken those of us who shower and wash dishes, letalone drink treated waters, we are the minority. We should beable to focus on misc power generation, and water treatment so that we can focus on what will enable the turning world to suport man and our childerens childeren.
We also need to send a better message to the childeren on USA. I'm not sure about other countries childeren. All I know is theres some mentalities in america which arent fit for humanity. There are many many of us that are not bad, no direct thanks to politics.
If Daily (Chicago governer, or mayor) puts out a loss in lottery to the people here, he collects the millions of dollars which he says will go to school. When he turns his back, and looks to the press, activists and other organizations, he says "we gave this much money to school" He acts like that came out of His Illinois budget.
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We messed up we did, I dont see it any better had we not gone however. I think it would be adaquate enough if we merely set up borders, and try to find terrorists.[...]But to let terrorists roam freely is insane.
Maybe you can explain us what invading secular Iraq has to do with fighting Islamist terrorism?
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no sorry i cant. I dont even know what secular Iraq is.
Also, If even we were in charge of the US, dont you think you would have quality of life assurance investigate the prisions From the start? If I were in charge (im sure ya'll too) I'm pretty sure I would've had admirals representing me, speaking to the prision guards saying, lets get these guys quality food, quality life, and a suggestion box. If they want literature or something, lets see what we can do. AND DO NOT **** with them
Should have made sure that all prisioners were treated correctly. DONT ****ing outcast americans, in any case its better now anyways. This wont be alowed to happen again I hope. (me and my powerless self HOPES)
If we could prepare a speech to the president, america, and all offices, we would, but we have no imediate way in doing such.
Oh me and our fricking VOTES **** american politics not america
Edit. These were not POWs.
They werent bearing of military status. They were thugs with guns on the street. But quality of life should have been on the mind and objectives of those apointed by the american president. And sure, the president should have verified that the prision was adaquate.
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As long as America is the most powerful country in the world, we're going to have the most amount of haters.
All you foreigners that try to knock on the United States because we're "arrogant, fat, immoral, etc." take a look at your country. Look outside your window and see what your country looks like compared to America.
As for people like Sir Stiven that want to generalize Americans over the internet, you got no balls, you're a coward, and especially you sir stiven, you suck at heroes I've challenged your sorry annoying ass over 10 times and you were too afraid to play just once.
What pisses foreigners off the most about America, is that we just don't care what people have to say about us. We know who we are and we know who we aren't.
Issue of American propoganda? If you people weren't so dissolved in your idiotic disgust for America, you'd realize that America has FREEDOM OF SPEECH. PROPOGANDA ALMOST DOES NOT EXIST YOU FOOLS. Propoganda was russian and german evil bullsh1t that used to work. You foreign haters know nothing about America. Not even you lews_therin, with your big words and your so called knowledge on "complicated issues."
Propoganda, on a scale from 1-10 in terms of existence in America, is about 1/4. The media knocks on our president everyday, knocks on the war in Iraq everyday, knocks on alot of things everyday. But if you say things like that in Germany and Russia... you suffer consequences right?
You haters hate us because you ain't us. America is the best country in the world. I know it, and you know it (even though you won't admit it), deep down you know the truth.
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