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kiryu133
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posted December 12, 2015 09:13 PM |
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Herry said:
Also, to further disapprove your posts, sperm = baby is false. They are two different things. Also, by your own logic, masturbating would "kill" babies, regardless of if a person feels pleasure or not.
That's the point. it's not killing and neither is abortion. It's "satire" (as meaningless as that word has become lately).
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God, by the way is a HE, I understood, which means his opinion doesn't count.
speaking of quality posts...
Yeah, that made me laugh and I completely agree 
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Homer171
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posted December 12, 2015 09:43 PM |
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@Sal: Yes, but abort is not ideal population control. You go there when you 'have done something you should have not'. Could that be avoided, yes by great numbers atleast. Giving free condoms is much easier and cheaper solution.
@kiryu133: If you thing prostitution should be legal, you truly are blind. Do you think those girls and womans do that for their own plesure? Making someone product of your sexual desires is worst kinda slavery 
When morale of humankind falls, what are you?
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posted December 12, 2015 09:53 PM |
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Neraus said:
JollyJoker said:
God, by the way is a HE, I understood, which means his opinion doesn't count.
Lolwut? The creator doesn't have a say on the behaviour of His creatures?
That is some particular logic to be sure...
Why would he?
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kiryu133
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posted December 12, 2015 09:55 PM |
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Homer171 said:
@kiryu133: If you thing prostitution should be legal, you truly are blind. Do you think those girls and womans do that for their own plesure? Making someone product of your sexual desires is worst kinda slavery
Except legalizing it would prevent that and make sure here are rules and regulations as well as providing safety. What someone decides to do with their body shouldn't be restricted. There should be a choice. banning it outright is what turns it into "slavery", as you put it.
Allowing it would allow prostitutes to gain more control of their bodies, the opposite of slavery.
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Homer171
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posted December 12, 2015 10:05 PM |
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Yeaahh and my cat knows how to fly 
Profile says 20 years old female.. Do you even beliave what you're saying or are just fooling around
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posted December 12, 2015 10:07 PM |
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Homer171 said:
@kiryu133: If you thing prostitution should be legal, you truly are blind. Do you think those girls and womans do that for their own plesure? Making someone product of your sexual desires is worst kinda slavery
When morale of humankind falls, what are you?
Criminalizing things is never a good thing. And there wouldn't be prostitutes if there wasn't a demand for them.
It's by the way this crap I despise Christian ideas. It's all about sin and guilt and shame, instead of accepting that human beings do not want to die and they want to be loved. Plus, there is this purely biological side that encourages reproductive behaviour because life is supposed to reproduce.
If you accept - and even demand - that human beings use their mind to be stronger than animal instinct then you also have to allow that mind to find ways to make use of the rewards nature allows in order to ensure continued existence.
In other words, we are either animals and want to reproduce, or we are not, then we still want to reproduce, and the only way to deal with that is accepting it and allow the power of the mind to utilize the benefits and avoid the downsides.
If you believe the word of god, then you believe that he made us in his image. If he did, there is nothing to feel guilty about.
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kiryu133
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posted December 12, 2015 10:10 PM |
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Homer171 said:
Profile says 20 years old female.. Do you even beliave what you're saying or are just fooling around
Trans-woman.
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Elodin
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posted December 12, 2015 10:26 PM |
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I'll tell you who ARE: the mothers (and fathers) who get unwanted children, let them feel their whole child life they are unwanted, abuse them, show them no love - and then those children become criminals. THOSE parents/mothers are the criminals.
It is akin to racism to say preborn humans have no right to live. We should not kill the youngest and most innocent of our species.
Also why do you insist that a human who was conceived via rape has no right to live? Or a human who You think would be unwanted has no right to live?
Yes, rape is a crime. But don't say Mommy has a right to kill Babby. Baby committed no crime. There are many adult humans whose fathers were criminals. Their life is of no less value than yours.
Yes, some parents are terrible people. But that does not mean they should be allowed to kill the kid.
Killing humans in the womb is the ultimate abuse of human rights. The most fundamental of all rights is the right to live.
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posted December 12, 2015 10:31 PM |
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If we are on animal level, I don't think we have any intelligent topic to discuss about. If it's love you seek you should 'try' God 
Farewell
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posted December 12, 2015 10:34 PM |
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Elodin said:
Killing humans in the womb is the ultimate abuse of human rights. The most fundamental of all rights is the right to live.
Honestly, if the contraception never existed, such children would just be taken into *those* houses, where parents gave up on them. I claim it is far worse to suffer.
... though the parents are also foolish, in that regard.
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Elodin
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posted December 12, 2015 10:47 PM |
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It's by the way this crap I despise Christian ideas. It's all about sin and guilt and shame, instead of accepting that human beings do not want to die and they want to be loved. Plus, there is this purely biological side that encourages reproductive behaviour because life is supposed to reproduce.
You are funny.
You are arguing it is ok to kill humans in the womb but that somehow Christians do not know humans want to live. Killing humans in the womb ain't exactly loving them. Killing humans in the womb is not reproduction either. 
Christianity is about love of God and love of our fellow man. ALL lives matter to us.
Whoever told you Christianity is about sin, guilt, and shame was ignorant of Christianity. Once we confess our sins we are to forget them just as God remembers them no more. Then we press on with our lives and our spiritual growth.
I do not know about you JJ, but my sex drive is not my master. I never got it on with my wife in the streets just because I felt the urge to merge.
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kiryu133
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posted December 12, 2015 10:55 PM |
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I do not know about you JJ, but my sex drive is not my master. I never got it on with my wife in the streets just because I felt the urge to merge.
Don't knock it 'til you try it!
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posted December 12, 2015 11:03 PM |
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Elodin said:
Also why do you insist that a human who was conceived via rape has no right to live? Or a human who You think would be unwanted has no right to live?
I think denying abortions to victims of rape is a very dangerous precedent. Rape is a crime but it's not the worse kind of crime around. There's no long term physical damage, and the psychological damage isn't important, if the woman is old enough. I'm talking about the lighter kind of rape here. It's why guys without any previous criminal history only gets like 1 month of prison if they do it while avoiding as much violence as possible. 30 days. It's nothing, and if rape means having a baby as well, heck, it's a lot less trouble than being a real father for 18 years.
Pretty much, if the president goes on national TV and states that women cannot get an abortion, even after a rape, you can expect the rape crime to skyrocket in your country.
Big no no.
Not to mention that it's bad for the kid to learn that their father is a rapist, sometimes the mom will take it on her kid as well, because he/she is a constant reminder of what happened. Aaaand also, who knows? Maybe the rapist will get himself a lawyer and fight for his parental rights. I saw that in the news once. What a horrible position to be in.
Yeah. Might as well just get an abortion and try again later with a cool dude instead.
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Elodin
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posted December 12, 2015 11:40 PM |
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Not to mention that it's bad for the kid to learn that their father is a rapist, sometimes the mom will take it on her kid as well, because he/she is a constant reminder of what happened. Aaaand also, who knows? Maybe the rapist will get himself a lawyer and fight for his parental rights. I saw that in the news once. What a horrible position to be in.
So your argument is that it is better to kill a human in the womb than for her to later have hurt feelings because her father was a bad dude. Does not compute.
Rape is a horrible act of violence but it does not justify the violent act of killing a human in the womb.
The mother can always give the child up for adoption if she can't love the child
I'm not aware of any states that give rapists paternal rights. But if there is one that does not justify taking human life in the womb either.
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posted December 12, 2015 11:50 PM |
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That's an argument on the side, not my main argument. My main argument was the paragraph above, how rape will skyrocket in a country if women are not allowed to have an abortion and rape sentences are too small.
Another side argument is that women will sometimes seek a homemade abortion if they cannot get a proper one, and those can lead from infection to outright death.
The rapist paternal rights is a video I saw once. Was a man that hired himself a lawyer regarding his paternal rights. The girl retaliated by getting his face and name on the news. Whether they really have paternal rights or if his lawyer was just bleeding the guy's wallet dry, I've no real idea.
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Neraus
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posted December 12, 2015 11:57 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Homer171 said:
@kiryu133: If you thing prostitution should be legal, you truly are blind. Do you think those girls and womans do that for their own plesure? Making someone product of your sexual desires is worst kinda slavery
When morale of humankind falls, what are you?
Criminalizing things is never a good thing. And there wouldn't be prostitutes if there wasn't a demand for them.
It's by the way this crap I despise Christian ideas. It's all about sin and guilt and shame, instead of accepting that human beings do not want to die and they want to be loved.
Does love pass through a stick in a hole? Is it really necessary to have sex to love someone? The problem is that people today think that sex is so necessary for social interaction, when it's simply a chore to maintain the boat afloat, and by trivializing the reproductive aspect we're harming our demographic growth, and then, society collapses, as there will be not enough young people to pay for pensions. Something which apparently is desirable since we think we're destroying the planet.
Besides, there is a market for drugs, there is a demand, and yet it destroys lives, even worse than prostitution. Criminalizing is sometimes for the best, to preserve the life of the citizen, the state has a duty to protect its subjects, whether it's secular or not. By legalizing the so called "light drugs" you simply give the underworld a way to legally recycle money, and, like somebody would want, eventually legalize all drugs.
But alright, let's legalize prostitution, again, it was legal a century ago, and then was outlawed, instead of helping women to get back into society let's make them the recipient of the desires of men. I'm actually not against prostitution, women now do it for free though, that's a bit of cheating to get clients, also the best snowhouses were in the Papal States... 
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posted December 13, 2015 12:33 AM |
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Homer171 said:
If you thing prostitution should be legal, you truly are blind. Do you think those girls and womans do that for their own plesure? Making someone product of your sexual desires is worst kinda slavery
Do you think people work at Wal-Mart or McDonalds for their own pleasure? They don't do it for fun, but they've decided that it's the best of their available alternatives. It goes without saying that it's bad that it's their best choice, but that prostitution should be illegal doesn't follow from that. Even worse, it would hurt them by taking away their opportunity. It's also a stretch to call it "slavery" - if that's slavery, then the same can be said for most jobs in the category of low-wage work. Sex work doesn't make someone the product of your sexual desire, it's someone providing a service for you, which unfortunately has gotten a lot of stigma that should be erased.
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posted December 13, 2015 01:03 AM |
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The big issue is that a lot of women from bad circumstances are being forced into the industry and cannot get out. It is slavery, and that is what should be illegal, not trading sex for services which probably happens in most marriages anyway.
Legalizing may indeed make it possible to starve out the illegal industry. Yeah there exists women and men who go into this business willfully and then years later writes columns why it should be illegal.. but really, laws usually aren't made just because some individuals make bad choices.
I think it's an outdated concept that prostitution in this day and age is illegal because it supposedly corrupts society.
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Elodin said:
A fetus has multiplying cells (thus is living), complete human DNA (thus is fully human), and the DNA of the fetus differs from the DNA of the mother (thus the fetus is not part of the mother, but is a separate human life.)
Anyone who says abortion does not snuff out an innocent human life is denying science.
Of course everyone should be allowed to defend their own life so if the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother she should have the right to kill the young human in her womb. Killing the human young for any other reason is the murder of an innocent life.
Young lives matter. All lives matter.
Abortionists say not all lives matter. Of course they think their own life matters.
"All life matters, except when its attacking my christian rights. In that case, eff life"
How about that all shrinking middle class and unsustainable living standards? You are keen to fight off abortion but when it comes to actually provinding to those people/infants you essetially dont care.
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Serafim
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posted December 13, 2015 02:26 AM |
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Not to mention that it's bad for the kid to learn that their father is a rapist, sometimes the mom will take it on her kid as well, because he/she is a constant reminder of what happened. Aaaand also, who knows? Maybe the rapist will get himself a lawyer and fight for his parental rights. I saw that in the news once. What a horrible position to be in.
So your argument is that it is better to kill a human in the womb than for her to later have hurt feelings because her father was a bad dude. Does not compute.
Rape is a horrible act of violence but it does not justify the violent act of killing a human in the womb.
The mother can always give the child up for adoption if she can't love the child
I'm not aware of any states that give rapists paternal rights. But if there is one that does not justify taking human life in the womb either.
Unless america becomes a socialist utopia where all life is equal and has the right to live and has all the means to live, what you ask is equal to suicide.Provide from your own wallet to those children and pay the rape victims or non victim women for ging through 9 months of labor and health issues.
If you dont wanna do that,and everyone knows that the religious communtiy wont do that, then you should stop with your religious terrorism on women.You wouldnt feel happy if your state forced heavy taxation on your church or church goers or forcing you to take muslim children, right?
This smells like reverse eugenicism. All infants should be born but what about actually caring for them? Its like darwinism. The weak die, the fit survive. Never knew you supported darwinism Elo.
What difference does it make if a fetus is aborted/killed or grows up alone without parents in an uncaring world/state/community? In both cases, they lose the chance to have a happy life.
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