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posted March 12, 2010 05:28 PM |
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We did make a fuss...that is why you are posting. And why did you quote only a fragment of what you originally said? Basically you are continuing your behavior and trying to win an argument instead of give advice or even opinion. Suit yourself.
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posted March 12, 2010 05:34 PM |
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What are you talking about? I only posted in this thread to defend myself... nothing to do with "the argument" at all.
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posted March 12, 2010 08:05 PM |
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If the forum DID NOT display the name/avatar of the poster, it would be fine by me.
There's a place like that, but I doubt you want HC to be that way. 
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Elodin
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posted March 14, 2010 03:09 PM |
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Ok, I try this, just to get some discussion going.
I suggest a -QP for The Death for the following post in the What is Love thread:
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I don't think that you are contradicting me. Pleasure isn't just pleasure, there are different qualities of it.
You mean different values of it. But if you are on that path why not use strong drugs, if that's the purpose of it?
You'll lose yourself even more completely than with sex.
Bold print is Death's post. Reason: smart-assing without actually knowing what he's talking about.
I see wisecrack posts all the time by folks who don't know what they are talking about. I don't think that is a reason for a -QP. It does not violiate the COC.
What I do see is some people seem to have a personal vendetta against others. That needs to stop. Attack your opponent's arguments with your words not with moderators.
Just my opinion.
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posted March 14, 2010 03:32 PM |
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If the forum DID NOT display the name/avatar of the poster,
That might not be such a bad idea, in my opinion. Just if it could be implemented in such a way that one won't be able to abuse it.
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We did make a fuss...
If anything, I think this is an example of clouding a thread, it was already off topic at that point of time. It's a little hard to ask people who've interest for certain subjects to not post about it when the opportunity is invited, especially if the lines between off topic and on topic response is hair thin. Something that always would be a solution is to post an entirely new thread, but if it is just for one post, it might as well stay in the topic.
That's why I think a non-linear thread structure is the best way to go in the first place, it won't cloud the threads, but you can access the given response in the topic if you choose so, which you probably will if it interests you.
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If the forum DID NOT display the name/avatar of the poster, it would be fine by me.
There's a place like that, but I doubt you want HC to be that way.
What place is this and what are you experience with said place in regard to this mechanism?
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posted April 05, 2010 03:33 PM |
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I think it is about time to issue a warning myself. A serious one. If discussions can not be civil, then there will be no more discussions. Don't bother with the "It's not me, its them" or "I just want an even playing field" or yada yada. Its simple really, this is a game forum, not a sandbox. I don't care if you have polite discussions, but this bull has got to stop. I'll give it a week, then if nothing has improved, I will shut it down. Then any other relgious debate that pops up after it, and penalize the person who makes the thread.
Dare I write what a horrible approach to moderation I think this is?
Ok, I dare.
What the heck, Mytical. Your approach to moderation is: Ok, there's a few people who are just insulting people left and right, but instead of penalizing them now, as they deserve, I'm going to just wait around for a week and then if the thread isn't magically better, I'm just going to shut it down and penalize anyone who starts another one like it.
Let me cue you in to something. The people who are insulting people left and right aren't going to stop. You can wait around a year and they're still going to do it, and tepid warnings aren't going to convince anyone that you mean business.
So why don't you just do us all a favor and close down the thread NOW. Or, even better, why don't you use the powers you have and penalize the problem-makers so that the rest of us, who are capable of having a civilized discussion, can actually enjoy the benefits of having an online forum to do so? I don't get this "I'm going to wait around" nonsense, nor do I understand the "punish everyone because I don't have the courage to punish the people who actually deserve it" philosophy.
Just my two cents.
(And by the way, lest you think I've only got my penalty sights on Elodin, this is not true. It's pretty obvious there's one or two hot heads on the other side as well.)
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posted April 05, 2010 04:12 PM |
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Good post, Corribus. 
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posted April 05, 2010 05:11 PM |
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Mytical's moderation is not the issue.
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mvassilev
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posted April 05, 2010 05:14 PM |
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There's nothing wrong with discussing a mod's actions.
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Mytical
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posted April 05, 2010 06:03 PM |
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Believe me if the solution was just simple enough to penalize and forget it I would. At one time, that MIGHT have worked. Unfortunately it is not a couple of people anymore. People have stopped even trying to listen now. It has just became a huge shouting match, to see who can yell louder then the other. Everything has been covered, endlessly.
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Corribus
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posted April 05, 2010 06:36 PM |
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@Mytical
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Believe me if the solution was just simple enough to penalize and forget it I would. At one time, that MIGHT have worked. Unfortunately it is not a couple of people anymore.
Really? I can pretty easily give you the names of two or three people which, if they went away, would cause the amount of argumentative bickering to decrease about 10-fold. Have you not noticed the number of "good" posters who have pretty much said that it's just not worth while posting here at all anymore? Doesn't that concern you? Point of fact is that it IS just a few people, and you just don't want to single them out.
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People have stopped even trying to listen now.
And you think another week of "let's wait and see!" is going to change that?
No, I don't think closing the whole thread is the answer. That's the whole point. But I do question the sense of just "waiting around" for another week in the hopes that the problem users are suddenly going to change their behavior. If you're going to close it in a week, you might as well close it now and be done with it. Saves everyone a lot of trouble.
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posted April 05, 2010 07:31 PM |
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I agree with Corribus, there has been enough warnings already, just reading the thread gives me a headache...
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posted April 05, 2010 08:16 PM |
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I don't understand the fuss.
If there WAS any moderation, it had long had to become active, delete some posts (when it still were just "some" to delete), issue A COUPLE of warnings in case of another of these posts, and get a couple of penalties in, if the warnings were not heeded.
There doesn't seem to be any moderation, tough, and closing a thread won't start it.
A bit like god seeing that the tree isn't growing properly, since he didn't care to righten it and give it the right direction, and of course... the tree has now to be put to the axe if he isn't magically getting itself on track...
So it looks like I agree with Corribus, in a way, if not completely. I actually find the discussion pretty civilized - they still speak with each other, after all, and I don't think anyone is forced to read the discussions of certain people in certain threads, not to mention answer them.
What I would suggest, is transferring a thread to the VW, if it dives below a certain standard. That way, I seem to remember, it will be deleted automatically after some time or when there is no activity within a certain time frame or something.
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posted April 05, 2010 08:31 PM |
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I don't see closing a thread or transfering it to the Wastelands to be the thing to do.
When people start throwing around insults the moderators should enforce the COC. The COC should apply equally to everyone regardless of their theological, political, economic, or other viewpoints.
If it is not ok to call one person's viewpoints stupid is should not be ok to call another person's viewpoints stupid.
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posted April 05, 2010 08:47 PM |
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I for one vote for actually penalising people for breaching the code of conduct like they used to a few years back.
I understand it was stopped because the mods were getting a huge load of **** for it and because people couldn't see the difference between an insult and an opinion.
It would require more mod activity so it is a problem with current moderation. Mysti can't be everywhere in OSM at once and Angelito is rarely online anymore. OSM would need one more active mod.
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posted April 05, 2010 09:28 PM |
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As I see it, the problem wasn't penalising people for violating the CoC. Everyone is fine with that, I think. The issue was determining when people are violating the CoC, which is admittedly rather too vague.
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Mytical
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posted April 05, 2010 09:32 PM |
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Again, find myself explaining things I think should be obvious..and looks like I will be doing so until the end of time *sighs*. Ok, the problem is intended insults vs what a person defines as an insult. Since the intention doesn't really matter, it is what the person sees as an insult. It shouldn't work that way, but sadly it does. If I penalized everybody who insulted somebody, there would be a LOT of penalties flying.
Now I am more then willing to do that, with the understanding that perceived insults would be the key. Which I KNOW would not make ANYBODY happy. Now, is penalizing for insults really how I should handle this? Cause I can do that instead.
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posted April 05, 2010 09:33 PM |
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Uh? I'm on HC every day dude....
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mvassilev
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posted April 05, 2010 09:34 PM |
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I think it would be better only to penalise for intended insults. However, if the person who is "insulted" is really offended, then he/she can HCM the offender and ask them to fix it. Failing this, he/she can ask a mod.
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posted April 05, 2010 09:42 PM |
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Again, find myself explaining things I think should be obvious..and looks like I will be doing so until the end of time *sighs*. Ok, the problem is intended insults vs what a person defines as an insult. Since the intention doesn't really matter, it is what the person sees as an insult. It shouldn't work that way, but sadly it does. If I penalized everybody who insulted somebody, there would be a LOT of penalties flying.
Now I am more then willing to do that, with the understanding that perceived insults would be the key. Which I KNOW would not make ANYBODY happy. Now, is penalizing for insults really how I should handle this? Cause I can do that instead.
I differ completely. It's THE MOD who sets the standard. That's why you are a mod. YOU make the calls. Doesn't matter whether SOMEONE feels offended by being told he's no Christian or a moron or a liar or a dumb fart. It's YOU whio decides where the line is to be drawn.
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