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posted November 02, 2008 04:52 PM |
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LOL I have no idea why it ended up 'fat'. I mean, seriously, just because I allow them freedom doesn't mean they will eat Junk Food... this game sucks  
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posted November 02, 2008 04:53 PM |
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Well maybe they might have eaten good food...just a whole damn lot of it.
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# divorce is illegal.
# bicyclists are banned from major roads.
# political activists are routinely executed.
# education and welfare spending are on the rise.
# the right to free speech is being drastically curtailed.
Ok that says some stuff about it
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No, and I won't. My nation needs to be made up of powerful people, not lazy ones.
That is the anti-thesis of Chaotic Neutral and "individual freedom"  (individual freedom being the very essence of it).
I don't know what to take from you. On one side you say you want freedom, then you force them into activities you feel like "should be made for the country". You can use the latter excuse for anything. 
Don't get me wrong I just want to know my neighbors. 
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That is the anti-thesis of Chaotic Neutral and "individual freedom"
Here we go again.
Sure, as I said, maybe it is the anti-thesis of Death's CN. And I said multiple times I don't care.
Come to think of it, I didn't argue with your arguments at all, contrary to what people say here. I ignored your arguments all the time, except the first few posts (if you want you can check yourself). I repeated multiple times I don't want to argue with you on the definition of CN, just to make you stop, but you insisted and continued with your arguments - you just want to argue for the sake of it.
So Will & Lex (and those that think I brought 'negativity' in this thread a few pages back) please, if you want, re-read my posts there, and you'll see that actually I didn't argue with Death about the definition of CN at all, and I said multiple times I don't want, so that he would stop. But of course, Death continued to talk about...
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posted November 02, 2008 05:01 PM |
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Nah, I'm not gonna re-read the posts again. Let's just move on. Asheera is doing the right thing by stopping, now it's your turn TheDeath, or do you want some of those old yucky virgins that are in my nation and need to be disposed of quickly?
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@Ash: no of course not, you don't argue, because you don't have arguments except "I don't care what you say, you're wrong and that's it, I'm not going to explain!". If you make claims about me, then I sure hope you don't expect that to not be an arguing or, as you said, "ignored" me. Maybe you did ignore, my arguments, and you kept on your beliefs.
Ok some question then: What would be "individual freedom" huh? Surely, Chaotic Neutral has the most freedom of all the three Neutrals right? So in what alignment does the 100% individual freedom go in, or shall I say, Pure Anarchy? Where does it go in? It can't be something of less freedom (Lawful or True Neutral), but something of more than yours, since you dictate how the citizens should be (i.e not "lazy") therefore you are not as free as you think. So I'm curious what you think such a state would be classified in.
Contrary to your experience, the D&D system is made well to cover all areas, but in your case you are unable to come up with an alignment above. Add this to the quotes I gave you which you, obviously, ignored totally and kept on your ultimate argument "you're wrong and that's all i had to say".
Apart from answering the question above, that's all i had to say. I'm tired of people painting their own images as "innocent" like they do not want to debate, yet they reply with "you are totally wrong and that's all i had to say".
And how would Mvass' country be defined? It was Anarchy once, so my point stands that it is more Chaotic Neutral than your dictatorship. I also obviously pointed the part where Chaotic Neutral want the power of the state to be preferably non-existent, yet you want to have it at a certain point. I would classify that as a "balance between state's needs and individual needs", which would fit in True Neutral
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posted November 02, 2008 05:14 PM |
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@Death: Yes, I don't want to debate, and I said you're wrong. I also said I don't care what you think (that you're wrong or not) so how about you stop posting about this? 
What's your problem? As I said, I don't care what you think. Why the hell do you keep posting about this then? What do you think you accomplish?
I don't want to explain to you, since I know I'm right from experience. I don't care if you believe me or not, or what you think about this. Why should I try to convince you? Will I accomplish something with that, apart from having a long argue with you, since I don't care what you think?
So how about you drop it already?
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posted November 02, 2008 05:16 PM |
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The only thing you will accomplish is wasting your time. Anyway, one thing that annoys me is how long it takes issues to pop up. I picked two a day, but I want more. I feel as if I am waiting forever.
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posted November 02, 2008 05:16 PM |
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I agree, I'd like 4 to 6 per day.
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Exactly. That's the amount I would like it at. I was also hoping, when I first joined up, that there could be more options to choose from so that I would have greater control over what my nation would be like, but all we basically got was the issues thing and a couple of other things. That was probably the biggest let down in my eyes. What do you all think?
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To be honest I did not expect you yet again to ignore what I said. I asked a simple question, you obviously don't want to answer it, just like before with the quotes. I like how you paint me as the one who wants to debate, yet you fare no better. If you would truly not care what I think, then you wouldn't say that I am wrong -- what does that accomplish apart from making me think that I have to explain it to you more clearly (or perhaps now that I think of it, uselessly since you ignore every single strong argument I have). If you don't want debate then don't participate, so do not try to paint this as a one-person's fault so to speak. When you say I'm wrong, I give my strong arguments, which you ignore. You're not in the mood to explain, you already said that once, so it's you who keeps repeating the same post all over, when I keep posting more arguments and questions to you which you do not want to answer. I can keep posting, and I am at least constructive (since I either ask questions, or support some arguments or quotes), but you keep saying that I am wrong -- that's the equivalent of not posting at all, except that in this case, you make me use even more arguments, and you implicitly want to get into the debate for some reason.
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I completely agree. I hope NS2 will be better in this aspect 
@Death: Saying that I don't want to argue with you should be pretty clear that you should stop posting
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posted November 02, 2008 05:21 PM |
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TheDeath:
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People which gamble are not productive last time I remember
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people will invest money in casino's which you can tax which gives you more money... At least, that's what I thought.
And, in addition to that, allowing them to gamble increases economic freedom, which makes the economy stronger.
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william, even quote wars are better than your spam.
QFT.
Asheera and TheDeath:
Perhaps the D&D alignment system is best suited for classifying individuals, not governments.
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Let them have their fun.
Everyone:
Is anyone going to answer my question?
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posted November 02, 2008 05:23 PM |
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Which one? YOu had two questions
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Lol TheDeath, you just don't know when to stop do you?
Yes, I am kinda eager to see what the second one has in store for us. I like some of the ideas in the current one, like the World Assembly, which is pretty cool but it still doesn't satisfy my needs for having more control over my nation. I hope that in the next one, there might be some other things such as that the user can choose what to put their spending on and what funds particular things should get.
And Mvass, was it just a QFT because you used to participate in mindless quote wars as well? I forgot though, you actually wasted your time posting those and they were just a reply to one or a couple of other people. At least spam takes like what, 10 to 30 seconds to write when I actually am making spam posts (which I do mainly in the VW)? Pretty cool QFT I must say, pffffffft.
Anyway, let's not try to get far off topic and let's NOT try to bring quote wars here. Keep that **** for OSM.
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Well at least there weren't massive "quote wars" in this thread.
Also to get rid of this subject, I just found something hilarious:
The Empire of Power-Rangers:Quote:
Hey I will take the rubbish! We've run out of resources to produce new Zords every fifth episode
Hey mvass, I think you got your 'target'
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posted November 02, 2008 05:29 PM |
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LOL. Is it just me or are the issues selected at random for each nation?
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Of course they are random doh, what do you think? If you have 500 million population you can even submit a new issue to be taken by the moderators and approved if good enough
Also, to the Quote Wars, william quote wars have nothing to do with the OSM itself, just because it is a habit there to use them (because people argue a lot more) doesn't mean it's exclusively to OSM. And seriously, your post weren't spam the first time I agree, but after posting the same thing over and over again it got spam -- repeating doesn't help. Now I know quote wars are not good, and as you can see, I haven't even used quote wars that much -- just 2-3 quotes per post, sometimes no quote at all. Is that what you call Quote Wars? I think it's more like an argue.
Not all argues are quote wars
You need massive quotes, like at least 4 per post.
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posted November 02, 2008 05:36 PM |
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I think they're random, but not completely. For example, those about voting seemed to be one of the first issues for all of our nations.
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posted November 02, 2008 05:38 PM |
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I think that's for all "dictatorships" at first (the first issue is "special" anyway)
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