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posted November 22, 2008 08:02 PM |
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You know what's funny ?
I read this thread when you people revived it (and it has grown immensly since then) and I came from time to time to check on you guys (some funny things indeed) but holy smokes Ash and Death are always quarreling xD.
I know love is a turbulent fellow but you guys need to get your feelings under control oO. Every thread where you're opinions colide (and they always do xD) turns into a warfield oO. Just chill a little more, haw?
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posted November 22, 2008 08:04 PM |
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World 71
WTF is radar's nation
Aurile is the nation of Joonas
Dark Death is mine
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posted November 22, 2008 08:07 PM |
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@mvass: So for you it's ok to call William Billiam, right? Even though you know he hates it. But since it's no racist or any 'direct' insult, you can say it. Right?
Well, I think it's wrong.Quote:
It was a non-racist, non-sexist, non-insulting remark. Thus, it doesn't matter if you don't like it or not - he has the right to say it.
And just why do you think racist, sexist and other remarks are prohibited? Because that's what it says in the CoC, which also says to respect the other members and not provoke them. This includes (when addressing a specific person) not saying any words he/she might find offensive (e.g. Billiam) OR provoking him/her into a subject he/she doesn't want to discuss. If you find his/her 'wishes' ridiculous how about you don't post anything at all then? (regarding that person)
Take Mytical, for example, and that thread about the sex-change operation. Mytical didn't want to discuss it any further, and it got CLOSED. Do you think a new thread or post about that thing would be welcomed at HC? For Mytical, most certainly not, and most probably the Mods wouldn't allow others talking about that either.
I'm getting really tired of this, and the next time Death criticizes my nation (especially when he says nonsense about it), I'm gonna move out of Heroes Community region... probably that way he'll eventually ignore me.
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posted November 22, 2008 08:12 PM |
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Take Mytical, for example, and that thread about the sex-change operation. Mytical didn't want to discuss it any further, and it got CLOSED.
Actually Pan closed it because she didn't see fit in the way people were talking and the subject being discussed at all (atleast that is my conclusion from her final post).
Unless you know anything about Mytical having sent Pan an HCM explicitly asking her to close the thread. But Mytical was quite indifferent all the time if you read the thread you'll see that he hardly posted^^.
EDIT: And with all due respect Asheera, you really are takeing this waaaaay to far. I wonder how you would react if someone would take everything you say so far. Maybe I'll try sometime^^. But now it's time to go to bed~~~~~NYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA~~~~~
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posted November 22, 2008 08:14 PM |
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But since it's no racist or any 'direct' insult, you can say it. Right?
Billiam is a direct insult however... (ok I admit, it is NOT an "insult" in the classic sense, but it is somewhat direct).
Will you just drop that example which is completely different already? I think you're blurred by too much to see the actual posts here.
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Because that's what it says in the CoC, which also says to respect the other members and not provoke them.
What stops me from saying that you provoke me with ANYTHING you post? You don't respect me because you keep posting. 
(joking lol  but you get the idea)
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I'm getting really tired of this, and the next time Death criticizes my nation (especially when he says nonsense about it), I'm gonna move out of Heroes Community region... probably that way he'll eventually ignore me.
That's the root of the problem actually (with the 'ignore' thing) -- because if like I said before, there was a "ignore" button and you used it, you wouldn't even reply to something you didn't see. I don't know what's your problem that I speak 'nonsense' about your nation -- well of course I would like to know why but possibly discuss my point of view about it and how I see it (yes yes we had that conversation here but you jumped right at the "ignore" phase before any arguments were conjured  ).
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posted November 22, 2008 08:15 PM |
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Ahahahaaha.
This will never stop xD.
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posted November 22, 2008 08:16 PM |
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World 71
WTF is radar's nation
Aurile is the nation of Joonas
Dark Death is mine
is there an alliance?
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Asheera
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posted November 22, 2008 08:17 PM |
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What stops me from saying that you provoke me with ANYTHING you post? You don't respect me because you keep posting.
Since I do NOT address you, you can not say that I provoke you. But if I truly annoy with all my posts (example), then I should NOT address you with my posts EVER.
What's so hard to understand? You address someone -> you respect him/her. Period.
But of course, I already said this in my previous post, but you ALWAYS skip parts from my posts (I think it was in parentheses)
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posted November 22, 2008 08:19 PM |
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It was a non-racist, non-sexist, non-insulting remark.
I have looked back through the last eight pages or so and, (aside from almost losing the use of my eyes and brains ), I could not find any single remark that might have started this particular debate.
Would someone care to let me in on what remark this it is you have been slaying each other about?
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posted November 22, 2008 08:20 PM |
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It's okay to occasionally tweak someone's ear. If it wasn't, then we wouldn't have the benefit of reading The_Gootch's posts.
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This includes... provoking him/her into a subject he/she doesn't want to discuss.
No, it doesn't.
If I find your wishes excessively ridiculous, then I will simply ignore them. As long as there is no "insults, abuse, racism, and sexism", "bad language, profanity, vulgarity or swearing", etc, then I will post it. It doesn't fall under "provocation or aggression" because "provocation is unfriendly behavior that causes anger or resentment from others." There was absolutely nothing unfriendly about TheDeath's comment.
For instance, what if I considered the word "the" offensive? Would I complain every time someone would use it?
Anyway, there was no disrespect in TheDeath's post. You may not like it. I know the feeling. There are plenty of TheDeath's posts that I don't like. But you don't see me asking him to stop making them.
And I thought that strong people were supposed to be unaffected by this kind of thing. (joking)
Ceph:
The comment that originally started this was TheDeath's statement:Quote:
culture or military? We're talking Ash's nation here
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posted November 22, 2008 08:22 PM |
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Since I do NOT address you, you can not say that I provoke you. But if I truly annoy with all my posts (example), then I should NOT address you with my posts EVER.
What's so hard to understand? You address someone -> you respect him/her. Period.
But of course, I already said this in my previous post, but you ALWAYS skip parts from my posts (I think it was in parentheses)
With that in mind, there would be no debates. Do you realize what would happen if all the world thought like you? (well indeed it happened but sometimes there are only so few dictatorships compared to people )
"Political party 1: Party 2 will mislead you people, you must not trust it!" (free speech, the people can BELIEVE it or NOT, what's your problem? you seem like you want to control the people what to think about your nation, even though someone might criticize it)
"Party 2: Get these guys in jail for saying that"
And besides, are you saying that criticism is an insult or against the CoC?  lol
(and AS AN EXAMPLE, you address me everytime you post, indirectly, not saying "TheDeath" though, since "Billiam" doesn't say "William" either... can you prove it otherwise? who knows what's next in the censorship line; ok silly example but it does PROVE how FAR this "censorship" can go).
What is actually your problem? You can so easily not read my posts if you don't want any criticism (and I don't say anything offensive). It's like you totally want to control the other members since they don't "ignore me" and might "OMG listen to my criticism". Seriously...
(of course you can always just tell them otherwise if you want: after all what they think/believe is up to THEM).
And your examples are flawed, I think everyone here realized that. Not sure what you don't get.
@mvass:Quote:
For instance, what if I considered the word "the" offensive? Would I complain every time someone would use it?
Exactly. Following this logic one person can say that people using that word do it intentionally to annoy him/her. So it has to be censored.
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posted November 22, 2008 08:26 PM |
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The comment that originally started this was TheDeath's statement:Quote:
culture or military? We're talking Ash's nation here
Are you serious? And that's to be considered a provocation? It's light ribbing. Everyone does it.
I don't think this "debate" was ever really caused by the remarks, or even the principle of argument.
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posted November 22, 2008 08:26 PM |
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posted November 22, 2008 08:34 PM |
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Ok to keep this on track, new issue (this would fit Ash's nation or Dark's ):
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Sergeants Are Too Nasty, Say New Recruits
The Issue
A haggard group of new recruits in Skama's army have spoken out against the brutal conditions experienced in their military training.
The Debate
1. "It's atrocious!" wails Private Naki Spirit, from amidst the cacophony of a parade cadence. "We're forced to sleep in crowded barracks, on hard cots, and do the most inhumane exercises when we wake up! Just today I've had to crawl through a muddy minefield, climb a grease-coated wall, and to top it all off, get mangled by an angry drill sergeant! All we want is a little respect from the officers - maybe to sleep in until noon, and not have to get all sweaty and tired doing stupid things like marching and climbing ropes. Oh, and private bedrooms too - we're risking our lives for the country, after all."
2. "THEY WANT WHAT?!" screams Sgt. Burkz, while pressing back a rising vein on her neck. "This is WAR, not DAYCARE! If anything, the training standards should be tougher! If I want to whip some pasty-faced, beer-gutted greenhorn because he can't climb over a razor-wire fence then I should be be given the permission to do so right away! The cry-babies won't like it, but they can run home back to their rich daddies if that's the way they're having it. War isn't a walk in the park, and training shouldn't be either. For all our sakes."
3. "Training, what a load of old hooey," says renowned spendophobe and radio announcer, Thomas Fellow. "The only thing it teaches our soldiers is how to shine boots and fight plastic dummies. We'd be better off if we just dropped them into the fight so they could learn to shoot for themselves. There might be a few accidents, but it'll be worth it for all the pwns we'll save."
4. "There is another way, you know..." whispers Lars Summers, the Chief of Secret Projects and Shiny Things in Skama's military research department. "What if we started taking children and raising them from birth to fight? We'd be able to make them completely immune to propaganda, psychological warfare, and demoralisation. Not only would that stop the crying new recruits, it'd also give us a powerful military edge. People may not like giving up their kids, but that's why we run the country. We know better."
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posted November 22, 2008 08:37 PM |
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Wow, what is going on here?  Just a quick word:
Mvass, if somebody doesn't like to be called something or doesn't like what you said then that is a lesson for you to perhaps stop calling them what you said or to try and not repeat what you said or at least word it differently so it doesn't have the same negative impact on the person. Sure, you might feel as if you can say what you want because you might not consider something to be bad, but for the other person it might be bad. It's called consideration. Just because you don't think it's bad to say something doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing to say. You need to respect that people may not like what you say and might have problems with it. But this isn't really any of my business though (although I did see some crap about Billiam above in Asheera's post).
Let's just enjoy the game that is Nation Sates.
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posted November 22, 2008 08:40 PM |
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Someone can say the OSM annoys him/her, should we ban it because we have to be 'considerate' to that person?
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posted November 22, 2008 08:43 PM |
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You missed my point. If I said something to you or called you something and it annoyed you then would you want me to continue it? If you didn't like it then I would respect that and be considerate and stop calling you something or stop annoying you. Say your name was Asheera and I started calling you Noobeera all the time, sure it might be a funny joke at first but what if I kept calling you that? Would you like it as much as you may have when I first said it to you? Probably not. That's what I'm saying here. And anyway, is your name Mvass? I don't think it is, unless you like to talk for other people now for some reason...
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posted November 22, 2008 08:45 PM |
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is there an alliance?
Yes
can i join? my country is called eatmamga on australia.
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posted November 22, 2008 08:45 PM |
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My name is not mvass but if you want a private conversation with him use HCMs. Seriously...
And one person can say that threads in the OSM annoy and provoke him/her to post. Same thing.
Not to mention that mine wasn't even addressed (directed at that is) to Asheera. In fact it was ABOUT her nation. Big difference. It was more like "criticism" or "my opinion about it". What the hell is against the rules? (it was NOT offensive btw)
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posted November 22, 2008 08:46 PM |
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freedom of speeach
Freedom of the right to think
I wish we could do that with our countries.
Any word on when NS2 is no longer beta?
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