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Dj
Promising
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posted June 09, 2010 06:41 PM |
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Have you looked how many people played the Grove? It is already dead.
the polish grove isn't even finished. there is no campaign with a story to attract the player, most of the graphics are poor [beside the town's view], the heroes dont have anything exciting or even different from the fortress' ones. all these because it's a beta. that's why it is 'dead'. and it's not the players' fault, it's the publishers'. they didnt finish it [yet].
what im trying to say that forge is more popular and it might not have the same fate as the polish grove.
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Alustor
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posted June 09, 2010 06:48 PM |
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DJ is absolutely right and even those good looking building have nothing different from fortress's special buildings.it s like playing fortress with another skin.i m not saying that i do not appreciate the grove's team work,but it is somehow poorly and unsatisfying for most people
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Kreegan
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Winged Anquietas
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posted June 09, 2010 06:52 PM |
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the polish grove isn't even finished. there is no campaign with a story to attract the player, most of the graphics are poor [beside the town's view], the heroes dont have anything exciting or even different from the fortress' ones. all these because it's a beta. that's why it is 'dead'. and it's not the players' fault, it's the publishers'. they didnt finish it [yet]
Well, I have better view on that... maybe it is so becouse I knew those "publishers"... I assure you that they working on it and most of work (well maybe "most" not most... IMO the hardest things have left...) they have DONE! 
Pozdro dla New Grove Team
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Dj
Promising
Supreme Hero
Always loyal to HC
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posted June 09, 2010 07:05 PM |
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Well, I have better view on that... maybe it is so becouse I knew those "publishers"... I assure you that they working on it and most of work (well maybe "most" not most... IMO the hardest things have left...) they have DONE!
i dont have a bad view on the polish grove project. i just said an opinion from 'outside'.and i know that they are still working on it. that's why i said 'YET'
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 09, 2010 07:34 PM |
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For a first town ever made Forge was very good. It requires a lot of experience to make a town and they did not have before ending it. Everyone in "other" forums claims he can make a new city but I am still waiting a concrete result and there is none. Hard work, little free time, lack of continuous energy, lack of fans hordes to support, as in other more recent games.
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ItachiBrolly
Adventuring Hero
Child Killer
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posted June 09, 2010 07:46 PM |
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I hope this project will be finished (huge forge fan)
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Kreegan
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Winged Anquietas
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posted June 09, 2010 07:47 PM |
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Well, I have better view on that... maybe it is so becouse I knew those "publishers"... I assure you that they working on it and most of work (well maybe "most" not most... IMO the hardest things have left...) they have DONE!
i dont have a bad view on the polish grove project. i just said an opinion from 'outside'.and i know that they are still working on it. that's why i said 'YET'
I would say what they have done NEW already but I'm not alowed to do so...
EDIT - now when I heve permission... they've got NEW units, maybe new city screen, some specials of buildings and heroes... and still to do: repair bugs, add sounds, make balance & edit exe file
For details to Dragonar or here...
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Dj
Promising
Supreme Hero
Always loyal to HC
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posted June 09, 2010 08:00 PM |
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For a first town ever made Forge was very good. It requires a lot of experience to make a town and they did not have before ending it. Everyone in "other" forums claims he can make a new city but I am still waiting a concrete result and there is none. Hard work, little free time, lack of continuous energy, lack of fans hordes to support, as in other more recent games.
u're right. there is no concrete result yet, but there is a progress.look at NTG's [or better said Old Town Group xD] Bastion and HotA's Cove.they have done so much work [5 years since NTG was created] that even they realized that it would be a shame not to release it sometime. anyway, don_komander is doing it great until now and i think he needs a big support from anyone, even from you.
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted June 09, 2010 08:19 PM |
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Really? They have no reason to let us make H3 better. They want to make more money and they can't from H3.
If 3DO pays someone to make some graphics 3DO owes this graphics. Otherwise it would be huge problem when someone important left company...
I am not sure and I don't want to argue with you.
I don't want to argue either, I want to inform, which is why I provide example rather than opinion.
Heroes III is definitely commercially viable - in fact it's currently Ubisoft's highest-selling title at Good Old Games (beating Beyond Good and Evil and other well-known titles). If they aren't making money from it then I'm the Pope's niece.
It's true that images produced under contract aren't usually free to share. And obviously if someone leaves the company they're still bound under any active NDAs not to spew out the confidential artwork they've produced for public view. Regardless, the point is that the Forge artwork means very little to Ubi based on prior experience, and if it isn't used for profit then they're certain to overlook or even silently encourage its use in a fan mod.
Anyway, all of that's irrelevant.
If the Forge project is finished properly and as attractively as possible, I'm willing to bet a lot that it will be widely downloaded and played. Aside from the major reasons listed to suggest that nobody is using the Grove (not ready yet, no campaign or maps), there's also the point that it hasn't been properly publicised anywhere beyond Acidcave. I haven't mentioned it in any news updates on Age of Heroes as the developers clearly stated it's unfinished and awaiting finalisation. Celestial Heavens probably receive something like 10,000 hits or more in a week - you can bet if they were notified and wrote up a news post on any substantial H3 mod, it would certainly be noticed. Just look at HotA, which I did mention in an update - nothing has been released yet it's already got nearly half a million views in its main thread.
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SubArrin
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 09, 2010 09:18 PM |
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I am sure, I will install Forge when it will be ready. First of all it will be 10th town - I don't have anything to lose on it. Grove repleace one town so you have to decide to remove original NWC town and add Grove instead. Another thing - Forge is near to original NWC town.
For me it is more than enought to try it! And i think there are a lot more people like me
Complete mod with Forge will be like another normal addition (I am not sure if it is good word) - many to gain, nothing to lose.
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted June 09, 2010 09:21 PM |
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But you know, you can put in any random graphics and run the game when you wish. Adding NEW town is by far more complicated issue, as yet unresolved. HoTA had all great graphics needed one year and a half ago and where are they now?...
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted June 09, 2010 09:23 PM |
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Adding NEW town is by far more complicated issue, as yet unresolved. HotA had all great graphics needed one year and a half ago and where are thye now?...
Actually their last problem is to add new heroes and town into map editor. It will take long... but I guess after this we will be allowed to play Cove.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 09, 2010 09:34 PM |
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Sorry to disappoint some, but actually there is not a single proof they can achieve it (I wish them to). When you start such project, first you make the new defs and town layout and everything looks great. But then you have to break creature limits and you think you can do it, until you discover that the editor does not accept them. Once you get over this part (which they have not yet), AI will not have a single idea how to use the new creatures. Then quest guards and seer huts will not recognize the new creatures, then freelancer guilds neither, then fix the morale thing, how spells work, how AI rates the dwellings, how...
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted June 09, 2010 09:40 PM |
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Sorry to disappoint some, but actually there is not a single proof they can achieve it (I wish them to). When you start such project, first you make the new defs and town layout and everything looks great. But then you have to break creature limits and you think you can do it, until you discover that the editor does not accept them. Once you get over this part (which they have not yet), AI will not have a single idea how to use the new creatures. Then quest guards and seer huts will not recognize the new creatures, then freelancer guilds neither, then fix the morale thing, how spells work, how AI rates the dwellings, how...
This also happend to WOG creatures,you can't put them to hero army,garnisson and seer huts.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 09, 2010 09:43 PM |
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Only seer huts, all other work now, but it took some years to do so.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted June 09, 2010 09:44 PM |
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Sorry to disappoint some, but actually there is not a single proof they can achieve it (I wish them to). When you start such project, first you make the new defs and town layout and everything looks great. But then you have to break creature limits and you think you can do it, until you discover that the editor does not accept them. Once you get over this part (which they have not yet), AI will not have a single idea how to use the new creatures. Then quest guards and seer huts will not recognize the new creatures, then freelancer guilds neither, then fix the morale thing, how spells work, how AI rates the dwellings, how...
And that's why it takes so long.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted June 09, 2010 09:51 PM |
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Why is taken soo long?Try you!
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted June 09, 2010 10:24 PM |
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What is taken soo long?Try you!
I'm not sure that I understood you... but if I'm right then you didn't understand me at all.
I'm not impatient or something. I'm not blaming HotA that it's taking "so long". I know that it MUST take "so long".
Maybe that's my fault - I shouldn't use word "long". Let just say in this case "so long" means how long HotA is being developed. Yeah, I know that it isn't actually that long... Nah, you know what I mean. 
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Ivan
Known Hero
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posted June 10, 2010 11:36 AM |
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I remember the old Forge team also complaining about the difficulty of adding new towns, and now, here's that issue again.
So, back to my earlier suggestion: why doesn't the Forge team just replace the Necropolis with the Forge? With Archibald and his allies in exile, Kastor becomes king of Deyja, and the Necropolis becomes a faction so minor, that it probably wouldn't have any role in the original AB campaign whatsoever.
There is, of course, only the problem of Necropolis fans not wanting to "lose" the faction. However, they can always play ROE or SOD instead, where the Necropolis would still remain.
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted June 10, 2010 11:49 AM |
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You know, some people want to enchance the game, not only swap some graphics and a few abilities. It's about playability, not lore.
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