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Aquaman333
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posted November 21, 2003 08:47 PM |
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How can you disbelieve something that you know nothing about? God exists. There are way too many coincidences to ignore.
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silx87
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posted November 21, 2003 09:27 PM |
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lol...aquaman the paranoid...
this is too good
BTW,no off...
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mvassilev
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posted November 21, 2003 09:32 PM |
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I think god is not real. It is something people invented to do their work for them and to explain things to lazy people.
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angelito
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posted November 22, 2003 12:05 AM |
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How can you disbelieve something that you know nothing about? God exists. There are way too many coincidences to ignore.
How can you believe something you don´t have any evidence of?
Please tell me only one fact that would change my mind that god is only a fiction people founded hundreds of years ago to have somehting/someone who is their last help when they have problems or whom they can pray to, when they are lucky.......
.....why are there so many gods here on earth?
Every religion has his own god(s)...one for every good reason 
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Aquaman333
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posted November 27, 2003 12:06 AM |
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You want proof? How could one species of animals evolve infinitely past all other species in such a short period of time? How could three different peoples in completely different areas of earth create the concept of the Angel? (Islamics, Christians/Jews, and Native Americans) All three cultures have Angels that look basically the same: a glowing human-like figure, with wings. Like I said: Way too many coincidences to ignore.
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Wolfman
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posted November 27, 2003 12:17 AM |
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Here's a good question: Can anyone prove ther is no God?
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Aquaman333
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posted November 27, 2003 12:20 AM |
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Nice. I've been on the defensive for a while now, it's good to take a shot at the opposition every once in a while.
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Lews_Therin
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posted November 27, 2003 01:54 AM |
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Why it is not a good idea to shift the burden of proof.
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Here's a good question: Can anyone prove ther is no God?
Course arguing for beginners, lesson 1:
Wolfman, can you prove that you never had sex with tiny little purple pinguins? What, you can´t??
Conclusion: Wolfman has sex with tiny little purple pinguins.
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Wolfman
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posted November 27, 2003 02:48 AM |
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Oh, but I can!
Get the DNA testing kit.
Please produce the penguin in question...
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Lews_Therin
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posted November 27, 2003 03:02 AM |
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Sorry, but according to the logic you used in your earlier post, the burden of proof is no longer on the person that makes an allegation.
And that´s why, unfortunately, it´s up to you to prove your innocence regarding tiny little purple pinguins. If you can´t, we´re right to assume you guilty.
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Wolfman
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posted November 27, 2003 03:09 AM |
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Fine, I'll just ask another question.
Can anyone prove I did this "thing"?
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Lews_Therin
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posted November 27, 2003 03:47 AM |
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Wolfman, why is it that you ask me for evidence? My assertion is based on the fact that you are an Eskimo.
And don´t claim you aren´t one. If you do, I expect you to show me proof for your non-Eskimo heritage, too!
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Of course my position in this debate is absurd. Do you know why it is so? Because the burden of proof is always on the person who makes an assertion. To reverse it is well-known to be a logical fallacy.
It´s impossible to prove the nonexistence of god. Just as it is impossible to prove the nonexistence of purple pinguins or Sea Monsters, UFOs, or of your intimate relationship with said purple pinguins.
Do you see now why your "Here's a good question", as you´ve put it, is really not so much of a good question?
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Wolfman
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posted November 27, 2003 05:56 AM |
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That would be an inductive argument, and would suggest posibilities not certanties. I guess I could be having sex with tiny purple penguins and be an Eskimo (even though penguins are at the South Pole, Oh wait, I guess purple penguins are at the North Pole, continue). But I'm not. I guess I could prove it to you, but only in person and not on the Internet. And I guess you can't prove there is not a God, so there must be, right?
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Lews_Therin
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posted November 27, 2003 06:16 AM |
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Can anyone else explain to him? If I would write more on this subject tonight, it would be mean stuff like "do you have a brain?" or "can´t you get yourself a better one?". And as the nice and courteous person that I am, I´d really like to avoid such a thing.
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Wolfman
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posted November 27, 2003 06:18 AM |
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I used my brain to turn your argument against you, of course. 
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Lews_Therin
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posted November 27, 2003 06:30 AM |
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Yeah, just like you used Privatehudson´s arguments in the neighbouring thread against him by constantly talking about something completely different from what he said, and then started whining for the COC when he pointed out your "discussion" tactics as what they are.
But my fault, looks like I´ve broken the advice that I gave PH in said thread just a day after I gave it ...
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privatehudson
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posted November 27, 2003 07:23 AM |
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Quote:
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Here's a good question: Can anyone prove ther is no God?
Course arguing for beginners, lesson 1:
Wolfman, can you prove that you never had sex with tiny little purple pinguins? What, you can´t??
Conclusion: Wolfman has sex with tiny little purple pinguins.
Hmmm yes, a good argument indeed, though I think an extention of wolf's and your argument here is needed. Wolf's contention is that since there is circumstantial (sp?) evidence that god MAY exist, therefore though his argument is flawed (due to above reasons you pointed out)I would suggest a more logical rebuttal of it, say if wolfman had been seen in the area of a murder carrying a handgun:
Can you prove you didn't kill that person? No? then it obviously was you!
Conclusion: Wolfman was the killer
In other words he's saying there is circumstansial evidence it may be possible, to counter it you need to suggest a scenario where there could also be circumstansial evidence of his guilt
That's my take, either way the basic argument put forward is entirely flawed. You can't assume something exists simply because it MAY exist and no-one can prove it can't. Your comment about UFO's and such is entirely valid, if we were to start using the logic put forward everything from faries to UFO's to sea monsters clearly exist. Unless of course Wolfman, you'd like to show me the evidence that Nessie and little Grey men don't exist?
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Wolfman
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posted November 27, 2003 07:40 AM |
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Unless of course Wolfman, you'd like to show me the evidence that Nessie and little Grey men don't exist?
I believe there is a God, like Aquaman said, there are just too many coinsidenses(sp?). I can't explain some of them to you, you would make up some excuses, but the way my life has fell into place in the last few years without much guiding from anyone is too strange for me.
And Nessie makes sense too, a sea creature left over from the time of the dinosaurs that was trapped in a lowering sea that turned into a lake in Scotland. I read that some biologists say there needs to be at least 40 of them to continue the spieces(sp?). The Loch is very deep, very murky so cameras won't work in the water.
Little gray men? I think it is a little arrogant of humanity to believe that we are alone in the universe, but I don't know about little gray men, why do they have to be gray for one thing? Why not orange? If aliens did land on Earth, who knows when that was? It could have been in the Middle Ages, they probably weren't impressed if that was the case, and may never come back. That is questionable.
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privatehudson
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posted November 27, 2003 08:27 AM |
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I believe there is a God, like Aquaman said, there are just too many coinsidenses(sp?). I can't explain some of them to you, you would make up some excuses, but the way my life has fell into place in the last few years without much guiding from anyone is too strange for me.
You assume too far really, I don't necessarily think god doesn't exist, I personally am not sure, I was merely suggesting that the argument you are using is illogical as a basis for proof of god. To me god cannot be proved or disproved as an overall concept to everyone because of the nature of life. Your experience has lead you to that conclusion, but since there is nothing other than things that can be considered by others to becoincidence or personal experience that has lead you to this, it is only logical that others with neither of those will not reach your conclusion.
I don't tend to deny your right to believe in god simply because your experiences have lead you to that conclusion. I just believe that others without those same experiences or similar also have a right to not believe in god. As part of that I believe that it is illogical to try and persuade them of his existence saying that they cannot prove he doesn't exist. To me it is the burden of god and other christians to give people their own experiences of divinity if you like, therefore showing that person "proof". It is not the burden of the person to say that because others have had experience god must exist.
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And Nessie makes sense too, a sea creature left over from the time of the dinosaurs that was trapped in a lowering sea that turned into a lake in Scotland. I read that some biologists say there needs to be at least 40 of them to continue the spieces(sp?). The Loch is very deep, very murky so cameras won't work in the water.
Little gray men? I think it is a little arrogant of humanity to believe that we are alone in the universe, but I don't know about little gray men, why do they have to be gray for one thing? Why not orange? If aliens did land on Earth, who knows when that was? It could have been in the Middle Ages, they probably weren't impressed if that was the case, and may never come back. That is questionable.
The point is not whether they exist or not, or what evidence there is to say they do, the point is unless you can prove nessie does NOT exist, he must do, this is your logic turned against you. You don't need to tell me about nessie, just tell me that if you believe something similar does not exist (I dunno, pick one like those that you don't believe in) then can you prove it doesn't? Say you thought kennedy was killed by oswald. Can you prove without a shadow of a doubt it wasn't the mafia or Castro? Then it must be not only possible but certain it was. Now do you see the flaw?
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Wolfman
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posted November 27, 2003 11:28 PM |
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I didn’t assume anything from you, really. I’m probably about as sure as you are.
I was only telling you what I believe and briefly why I believe it. I wasn’t arguing at all in that last post. You asked me to prove that Nessie and Little Gray Men don’t exist, but I can’t do that. I think they probably do exist, that’s why I couldn’t be a defense lawyer. I can’t argue against what I believe in. I know I can’t sway anyone here against what they believe.
I don’t mind other people not believing in a god. I do mind people who attack others for any religious belief, simply because they believe in it. Like GodSucks has done at the top of the page. And I was just having some fun with Lews.
And I would get into the Kennedy thing, but that would be way off topic, if you want to debate that bring it up in “Attack Iraq”.
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