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| Thread: poll: Should we believe in God or no? (inspired by french mathematician Pascal) |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 · «PREV / NEXT» |
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arachnid
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posted August 05, 2002 01:32 AM |
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Because the universe either goes on forever, which is insane, or it stops. Both these answers are ridiculous, how can the universe just stop!? And if it doesn't stop then any concievable thing you think of, must be true because their are an infinite planets with life. For example I could imagine that this gorgeous girl becomes my girlfriend becomes my wife, and this must be true somewhere, also Everything could be exactly the same, except I didn't break my leg in grade 2, or didn't break up with my girlfriend? All these worlds have to exist if the universe goes on forever, which may sound stupid, but does it sound any less ridiculous as the universe stops?
I would not call the universe going on for ever insane, just for us completely and utterly unthinkable since we could never truely get our heads around the idea.
I have no idea however how you think just because the world is infinite that means your getting laid somewhere, somehow by stunning woman. But i do like how you show you believe the world truely evolves around you. 
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Lews_Therin
Promising
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posted August 06, 2002 01:26 AM |
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Sir_Elric
Responsible
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Having a bad hair day.
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posted August 06, 2002 01:42 AM |
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To see and understand how religion works, I strongly recommend this link:
http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank.mv
Thanks for the laugh 
That hits the nail right on the head 
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dArGOn
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posted October 18, 2002 08:07 AM |
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This was a great thread....nice to look it up again
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Mad_Unicorn
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I am a mean person shame on me
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posted October 18, 2002 10:43 AM |
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actually as i skimmed through this WHOLE thread somebody said
ape-----human----GOD?
ape to human does NOT exist :/
sure its pretty close but not quite precise
Follow the fossil records if u wish.... u will see there is a major broken set around the evolution between man and primate. Do you know why? no? neither do I Maybe a true scientist could show us the light(bort) or maybe a religious person (dargon) can offer better theory 
Throwing in my 2 peanuts on the whole thread
GOD does exist to those who believe in HIM/HER/SHIM.
GOD does NOT exist to those who dont believe in HIM/HER/SHIM
in both cases GOD is NOT all knowing and all powerfull as HE/SHE/SHIM claims to be If this were so all would believe .
And DONT gimme the BS that god gave us free will to believe in him or not ... that would be to counter productive. Unless god truly wants to destroy what he creates.
I voted i dont care
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I guess with my way thinking I would be going to hell. Good thing I dont believe in it.
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tuapui
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Poetic Psycho Baby BlackDragon
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posted October 18, 2002 05:26 PM |
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Ahh, but the sense in it all is naught but forsaken. Or whatever it is, here a poem I dedicate to those who are blinded by the logic of the apple.
Oh the unfaithful. Though you ask and seek reward,
and you request, but you are never fufilled.
You wonder if anyone Listens, but do you listen yourself?
Ask yourself these questions, and find the path you wish.
You have right of way, but it is my duty to guide.
Do you follow his will? ,or the commandments he gives?
Do you speak to him frequently, like you speak to your friends and family?
Do you believe in him and the holy spirit, and the son Jesus?
If you really do, then you are well. You require no more guidance. If you do not, then further question yourself.
Is this the right thing to ask?
Am I asking in any way for the benifit of myself?
Brother keep faith. Although you may not see it, he is always there to protect. Thank him for all that never happened to you, and love him for the benefits he give to you.
The God I believe is that of Isreal. The father of Jesus.
(We dragons have our religions too you know.)
No matter the bottom line is to believe is to know. The only knowledge is given by the father himself. Knowledge is truth.
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peractive Do not touch.
Highly Psychotically Poetic.
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dArGOn
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posted October 19, 2002 06:47 AM |
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"in both cases GOD is NOT all knowing and all powerfull as HE/SHE/SHIM claims to be If this were so all would believe .
And DONT gimme the BS that god gave us free will to believe in him or not ... that would be to counter productive. Unless god truly wants to destroy what he creates. "
Ah but Mad you forget the best of motives...LOVE...that is why he gives us free will. Even men as sexually perverted as we are can acknowledge that we want a woman to truly love us not just be our sexual robot. Magnify that desire for love and a true relationship 1000 times and you will understand why God risked giving us free will.
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bort
Honorable
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Discarded foreskin of morality
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posted October 19, 2002 07:18 PM |
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Edited By: bort on 19 Oct 2002
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Ah but Mad you forget the best of motives...LOVE...that is why he gives us free will. Even men as sexually perverted as we are can acknowledge that we want a woman to truly love us not just be our sexual robot. Magnify that desire for love and a true relationship 1000 times and you will understand why God risked giving us free will.
Yeah, but if your wife don't put out, you don't drop her in a flaming pit of excrement where she will be torn asunder daily by the barbed phalli of foul hell spawn for all eternity.
Edit : Unless, of course, she's into that sort of thing.
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Oldtimer
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Please leave a message after..
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posted October 19, 2002 08:50 PM |
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If God doesn't truely exist, then someone would have to make him up.
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dArGOn
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posted October 26, 2002 06:59 AM |
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"Yeah, but if your wife don't put out, you don't drop her in a flaming pit of excrement where she will be torn asunder daily by the barbed phalli of foul hell spawn for all eternity."
Kind of misleading. To use your example of a wife...if she never wanted anything to do with me and hated me...well then she is free to live without me. If I am driving in a car with a sober man and she refuses to see the wisdom and gets in the car with a drunk…well she will die despite my pleadings.
Likewise....if don't wish to have any part of God on earth why would we want to be in his eternal presence in heaven? Hell is but earth without God. God is the source of all goodness, compassion, joy, etc. so if you withdraw God then you get hell. Thus if someone wants no part of God after he has given everything to love you...then eventually he will honor your request to not have anything to do with him and leave you to be without him (aka hell)
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HeyYou
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and beloved food provider.
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posted October 26, 2002 07:05 AM |
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Edited By: HeyYou on 26 Oct 2002
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Hell is but earth without God. God is the source of all goodness, compassion, joy, etc. so if you withdraw God then you get hell. Thus if someone wants no part of God after he has given everything to love you...then eventually he will honor your request to not have anything to do with him and leave you to be without him (aka hell)
Well, since you're here, evidently you wanted no part of God at some point in the "past", and he put you here.
Or is there some other rule you're about to make up as to why we're all here (you included)?
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bizud
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Mighty Donkey
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posted October 26, 2002 07:42 AM |
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This is a line from a song by the Matthew Good Band:
"Man makes God so God can make man
Man makes the devil so he can understand."
In any case, saying "There's no God, period," is sheer foolishness, because you can't prove it.
But denouncing things like evolution, and saying "God made the world, it's obvious," is equally absurd.
There are (in my f***ing opinion!) other "planes of existance" or what have you, and their are forces that exist beyond the realm of what science can and has explained SO FAR.
I guess I lost my point...
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HeyYou
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and beloved food provider.
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posted October 26, 2002 07:53 AM |
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So did we.
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"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
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tuapui
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Poetic Psycho Baby BlackDragon
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posted October 26, 2002 02:59 PM |
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So it all boils down to whether you believe or not. Its really that simple. Or maybe it's whether you WANt to believe. But in my opinion, God is there for you to believe in, and if you don't, don't stop others from believing.
Faith, brothers.
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dArGOn
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posted October 27, 2002 09:27 AM |
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"Well, since you're here, evidently you wanted no part of God at some point in the "past", and he put you here. "
I think you misunderstood what I was sayimg.
There are time/space realities. Currently God continues to be present in this world...thus we are not in hell as in a total absence of God. Whether we want to be associated/love God presently does not mean we are in hell currently as he has patiently not withdrawn his presence in this world/time frame.
Once we die...then that is the time of reckoning...then we will follow the desires of our heart....continue to want to be in His presence (heaven) or want to be without Him (hell)
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tree
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posted October 28, 2002 12:51 AM |
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...Let's say you don't believe him. Then you die. And there's no god. Then you lost nothing and gained nothing. But if there is a god, you'd end up in hell.
Let's say you believe him. Then you die. And there's no god. Then you lost nothing and gained nothing. But if there is a god, you'd end up in heaven.
So simple...get it?
Let's say: I don't care if I go hell or not...I can party with those people in hell...they are fun people.
Then, what if hell is just a burning pit like described? How fun will that be when partying?
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privatehudson
Responsible
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The Ultimate Badass
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posted October 28, 2002 01:02 AM |
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"God" If he exists doesn't want people believing in him simply because it's convinient or because it's insurance against a bad afterlife. He to me would want people believing in him because they actually BELIEVE in him.
Most of the scare stories in relation to hell/the devil in relation to the afterlife are yarns spun by churches to keep the population under their control. It's easy to control someone who is afraid of the consequences of eternal damnation and then ensure they do exactly what you wish. It's harder to give that person the free will to decide whether they believe in god or not and let their actions and morality determine their afterlife.
To say that the knowledge and acceptance of god ensures Heaven, or the denial/lack of knowledge of god ensures hell is stupid to me. If either exist the way your afterlife is determined should be based more on your morality and actions than your belief or lack of belief in something you may never have experienced.
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
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posted October 28, 2002 01:03 AM |
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very simple : i dont believe in god - cause something/somone like a god doesnt exist.
i also think if he would exist he should get punished hard for doing his job so worse as he is doing it (sometimes it reminds me of hexa and his moderation job ) .
if god would do his job good there wouldn't be so many idiots killing people pretendin doing this in his name.
this is just one example that shows that if someone had this "earth management job" he should be fired immediatly
Motorschaaf
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LichKing
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posted October 28, 2002 02:42 AM |
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To Sha-men
I just noticed the revival of this thread and began reading it again.
Fourteen months ago I treated you very rudely in this thread. What's worse, you were the object of my anger but not the cause of it.
It's long overdue, and I know you probably don't even care now, but I aplogize for the way I acted toward you. I let my temper get the better of me and made a jackass of myself in the process.
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dArGOn
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posted October 29, 2002 06:34 AM |
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Thats cool...better late than never
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