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BadouneJr
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posted May 31, 2005 06:03 PM |
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BUT!!! What really surprised me was when Anakin was talking to Padme on "the lava planet", he was already referring to overthrowing his Master...even though he had just recently become his apprentice.  I remember him telling her: "We can rule everything and create the galaxy that we've always wanted!"
I guess he jumped the gun a little, eh?! 
I'm not sure that he jumped the gun, this has always been Anakin's way... Anakin has always wanted more power... when Padme tells him in AOTC... "You're not all powerfull"... his reply..."Well I should be. One day I will be the most powerful Jedi ever".
He's had a lust for power for a long time and on Mustafar he was in a position to take it, but his down fall was that he wanted Padme to join him.
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Leo_Lion
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posted May 31, 2005 06:31 PM |
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Very good point, Badoune! 
I had not considered Anakin's overall greed and lust for power while "breaking down" that scene with Padmé...or maybe it's George Lucas' fault for not making it clear enough for those watching the movie!
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BadouneJr
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Darth Cousin
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posted May 31, 2005 06:32 PM |
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And siths have better fighting powers... cooler powers in general. Example: Ressurecting people, keeping them from dying..
I'm the biggest Sith fan out there... but there is no proof that the sith can ressurect or keep someone from dying... the Emperor saw a way to lure Anakin to the dark side and offered promisses that would ensure he would turn. The best power that the Sith has is to misslead and get what they want from people.
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Jebus
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TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted May 31, 2005 06:40 PM |
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1: Jedis are so ... uptight and dumb. They never see anything comming, and thats kinda sick since they can see into the future.
On what fact are you stating any of this??? Uptight or dissaplined??
Dumb?? Blind?? The Jedi have never claimed to read the futur... he has however stated that the futur is difficult to read since "always in motion is the futur."
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And siths have better fighting powers... cooler powers in general. Example: Ressurecting people, keeping them from dying.. See that'd be sweet. Now what can a jedi do? mm... well the sith can do all does things aswell, woopi dee do?
I don't think you realise that EVERY power the sith have demonstrated in the movies, Master Yoda exceeded...
(and Im sure Darth Cousin will respond to this but)
There has been no demonstration of the resurect power...
They have one power that the Jedi do not practice... manipulation, intimidaiton and control... Personally, they can keep it! I just to learn the "force choke"
J
( I hate to say it but I think you're in over your head!! "now there are 2 of them!!" )
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I watched New Hope last night and coudn't get past my new perception of Darth Vader... Before Anakin's transition in episode 3, I always saw DV as this strong, mean, ruthless, betraying Sith Lord (of course sith was never mentioned in the original trilogy).
But now I find I was appalled by my new view of DV knowing that inside the suit is that whinny, temper tantrum throwing, boychild!! I think Lucas ruined it for me forever!!! 
Here's what Im wondering...
how is it that OB1 wasn't considered the MOST powerfull Jedi to live?? He killed Maul, stood up to Dooku AND defeated the "wanna be" "chosen one"???
AAAAAAAAAAND....
basically guided the NEW chosen one who was expected to redeam his father and finally bring order and balance to the force!!
Anaking loses 3 limbs in one chop from OB1!
and when he decides to let himself vaporize against Vader, it was to better serve the Jedi in his councelling of Luc.
J
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BadouneJr
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Darth Cousin
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posted May 31, 2005 09:11 PM |
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Here's what Im wondering...
how is it that OB1 wasn't considered the MOST powerfull Jedi to live?? He killed Maul, stood up to Dooku AND defeated the "wanna be" "chosen one"???
AAAAAAAAAAND....
basically guided the NEW chosen one who was expected to redeam his father and finally bring order and balance to the force!!
That is a very good point my dark cousin... but what if we could turn him to the dark side... he would be a powerful asset.
Can it be done??
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Jebus
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TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted May 31, 2005 09:22 PM |
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That is a very good point my dark cousin... but what if we could turn him to the dark side... he would be a powerful asset.
Can it be done??
"He will join us or die, my master."
Dark cousin??? did you just called me coloured???
(force chokes Badoune by throat!)
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Conan
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posted May 31, 2005 09:46 PM |
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Conan,
you asked to see mine (wait that sounds bad!! )
but you've yet to show me yours!! (d'oh!!)
Where's your StarWars story bud??
J
well, SW is all fun but it never really affected me in quite the ways that some of you wrote. I wasn't in SW all that much when I was young.
Hence the reason I ask all those stupid question.
Now if we talk about Star Trek ... hehehehe... don't get me started.
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BadouneJr
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posted May 31, 2005 09:48 PM |
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Now if we talk about Star Trek ... hehehehe... don't get me started.
Don't worry... we won't!! lol
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Jebus
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TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted May 31, 2005 10:13 PM |
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Now if we talk about Star Trek ... hehehehe... don't get me started.
Don't worry... we won't!! lol
(pulls out light saber and chops off Kirks arms)
Kirk:
"wait!..
you can't!
do that!!!
PLEASE!
Stop!
Spock!
help, me!!"
(uh I see Shatner at the Jar Jar auditions)
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Conan
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posted May 31, 2005 11:07 PM |
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you wanna start this??
then the Borg comes in, adapts to the lightsaber and turns a Jedi into a Borg!
LOL
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terje_the_ma...
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posted May 31, 2005 11:53 PM |
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LoL rooting for the sith is bad? Oh my god.. How?
1: Jedis are so ... uptight and dumb. They never see anything comming, and thats kinda sick since they can see into the future.
I see this Sith/Jedi thing like politics, both sides has advantages, both sides have downs... Example: Jedis are so uptight they can't even make good jugdement anymore.. and a downside for siths: They'll do everything to rise to power, no matter what, which is a little harsh.
And siths have better fighting powers... cooler powers in general. Example: Ressurecting people, keeping them from dying.. See that'd be sweet. Now what can a jedi do? mm... well the sith can do all does things aswell, woopi dee do?
The Sith has got the coolest powers, but the become... mad, so to speak. Which is a major downside.. And their madness is only decreased by a gain of power, or deep sorrow. (i Can bring examples, if needed)
The Sith has just got some kind of Řdipus complex (the greek god who wanted his mother, he was blind, etc) @ the master/aprentice part.. or thats the way i see it..
Siths for teh win!
Being a Jedi, is about honour, dicipline, ascetism, modesty, loyalty, chivalry, honesty, helpfulness, self-sacrifice, stuff like that. All the things I personally see as worthwhile in life.
The Sith stands for dishonesty, betrayal, lust, ruthless ambition, egoism, and those kinds of things. Now, what does that say about you, when you like them so much?
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- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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jebus
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TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted June 01, 2005 03:10 AM |
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Being a Jedi, is about honour, dicipline, ascetism, modesty, loyalty, chivalry, honesty, helpfulness, self-sacrifice, stuff like that. All the things I personally see as worthwhile in life.
The Sith stands for dishonesty, betrayal, lust, ruthless ambition, egoism, and those kinds of things. Now, what does that say about you, when you like them so much?
Terje,
you seem to hold the vocabulary to compliment my thoughts... I can argue STAR WARS with persistance and passion with arguments of logic and fact... but all that is wipped away with the clarity and precision of your choice of words....
If everyone held true to your sense of honour, respect and humility, I think we would all be better off as a society.
J
(p.s. I hate jar jar)
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terje_the_ma...
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posted June 01, 2005 08:35 PM |
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"Hate is the path to the Dark Side, my young Padawan. But just for once, lead on!"
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"Sometimes I think everyone's just pretending to be brave, and none of us really are. Maybe pretending to be brave is how you get brave, I don't know."
- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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Jebus
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TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted June 01, 2005 08:44 PM |
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"Hate is the path to the Dark Side, my young Padawan. But just for once, lead on!"
Well the Jedi are about peace and compassion...
so by killing of Binks, they would be showing compassion to an idiot that will spend his life in the shrowd of stupidity. Also the rest of us could live in peace!
J
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terje_the_ma...
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posted June 01, 2005 09:29 PM |
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"Hate is the path to the Dark Side, my young Padawan. But just for once, lead on!"
Well the Jedi are about peace and compassion...
so by killing of Binks, they would be showing compassion to an idiot that will spend his life in the shrowd of stupidity. Also the rest of us could live in peace!
J
Haha, that's the way to go! 
"Search your feelings, Jar Jar. Are you sure you can torment the people around you anymore? Do you have to live, only to annoy the rest of the Senate?"
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"Sometimes I think everyone's just pretending to be brave, and none of us really are. Maybe pretending to be brave is how you get brave, I don't know."
- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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Jebus
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TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted June 01, 2005 09:46 PM |
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haha, that's the way to go!
"Search your feelings, Jar Jar. Are you sure you can torment the people around you anymore? Do you have to live, only to annoy the rest of the Senate?"
"you should jump off a cliff..."
Bink:"mooey mooey, meessa should jump of a cliff!"
(jumps off cliff)
"PEEEEEEEEEEEACE!!"
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Svarog
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posted June 02, 2005 02:41 AM |
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I saw Episode 3 today. It was fun yeah, but very very far from my best selection of movies indeed (and that goes for all the serie). On the other hand, my remembrance of the films is a bit sketchy. The scenes and events are kind of all chopped and mixed into one amorphous film for me, but I do know the story and all, i think its safe to say.
-Just one question: Who/What is Jar Jar? Memory blanks.
As for the sith-jedi contest, I'd definately cheer for the siths. A sith's much more realistic and pragmatic son of gun. The one line that definately was worth the most in the entire movie was "Good is a point of view." and the kudos for it go to Darth Sidius. You wont hear such a powerful saying from the Jedis. Since they cant compose a decent philosophical idea, they are stuck with Yoda cheap word jumbles. The jedi-buddhist philosophy looks totally sterile, impersonal and naive, whereas the siths are full of emotions and real human passion. Isnt it absurd on the other hand that a jedi is taught to let go of those he loves, and a sith is learned to help and save them? Thats why jedis look like some dumbass uptight priest sect always in denial and masochistic control of themselves. Not to mention who's got more style, although I think they carried away a bit in trying to characterize the grotesque character of the Emperor.
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Jebus
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TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted June 02, 2005 03:22 PM |
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I saw Episode 3 today. It was fun yeah, but very very far from my best selection of movies indeed (and that goes for all the serie). On the other hand, my remembrance of the films is a bit sketchy. The scenes and events are kind of all chopped and mixed into one amorphous film for me, but I do know the story and all, i think its safe to say.
-Just one question: Who/What is Jar Jar? Memory blanks.
Jar Jar is the dumb ass gungan from episode 1 with the really bad Jamaica accent! (see references to dumb ass above!! lol)
When I was younger I had the same impression of 4-6.
I use to watch'em all one after the other so it was like 1 big movie instead of 3... after I started to watch the re-releases, I as surprised by some of the seperations (ex: the end of Empire strikes back)
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Isnt it absurd on the other hand that a jedi is taught to let go of those he loves, and a sith is learned to help and save them?
don't confuse the emperor's actions for love, sympathy or compassion... His motives were purely selfish... Anakin was strong and the emperor wanted him under his control. (too bad they made the emperor look compassionate instead of manipulative like they should have)
J
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terje_the_ma...
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posted June 02, 2005 04:36 PM |
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(too bad they made the emperor look compassionate instead of manipulative like they should have)
Do you really think so?
I'm of the impression that the soon-to-be Emperor was portrayed as one manipulative s.o.b. The thing about him seemingly being compassionate, that's just good "acting" on his part. As stupid and short-sighted as Anakin despite everything seemed to be, I think he'd seen through Palpatine if he'd been more clearly manipulating. He had to seem compassionate, otherwise, it wouldn't have been too plausible that he managed to lure Anakin into siding with him, would it?
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"Sometimes I think everyone's just pretending to be brave, and none of us really are. Maybe pretending to be brave is how you get brave, I don't know."
- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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Jebus
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TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted June 02, 2005 04:47 PM |
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I'm of the impression that the soon-to-be Emperor was portrayed as one manipulative s.o.b. The thing about him seemingly being compassionate, that's just good "acting" on his part. As stupid and short-sighted as Anakin despite everything seemed to be, I think he'd seen through Palpatine if he'd been more clearly manipulating. He had to seem compassionate, otherwise, it wouldn't have been too plausible that he managed to lure Anakin into siding with him, would it?
hmmm interesting point, but....
I'd agree that during the "senate chamber" scene and through his interactions with anakin during episodes 1 and 2, the manipulations were clear... Im just of the opinion that his "need to help" anakin was not due to his "caring" for his apprentice but mostly his need to have a powerfull but easily influenced young sith at his side. I don't think that he played the "compassion" card to "play a role" like you mentioned. If anything, the Master of the Sith would have taken the oppertunity to drive the nail by belittling the young sith and making it look like he no longer needed him... He already pledge his allegiances to Sidious so more trickery was not needed.
Make him beg for his life and tighten your grip.
imo
J
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