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posted May 22, 2006 03:05 PM |
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Dragon you seem to be more like the opposite of me, in theory of course 
You believe in the ideas, but not the practice, whereas I'm the other way around.
Not that I think about what God would think, or that I actually act righteously often, but I think it'd be good if I did, if you know what I mean.  I think that the world would be a better place IF people actually did the good things that the Bible says, but that doesn't require the belief in a monotheistic world.
I never went to sunday morning church, and if I had the chance, I wouldn't. I did, however, go to an Anglican primary school, a Catholic school for one year and a Church of England High school for 2 years.
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posted May 22, 2006 03:13 PM |
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Like you said, i believe in the theory but not the practice.
I guess this is the case but i dont really agree with the whole adam and eve thing and other out there stories I do believe the 10 commandments should be lived by, the world would be a better place if we all did... but still, i live in the here and now, not 1000 years ago. I do believe in some of the practice though, like being blessed by a priest. I guess you could say i believe in a tiny bit of both, but still very undecided
Let me ask you this, 1 of the commandents is not to steal. If you steal to feed your starving family, is it wrong?
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posted May 23, 2006 01:30 PM |
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Basically, I don't believe in any of the Christian religion's stories, theory and it's God, but I do believe, like you said, that it does teach the right stuff every now and then 
I guess it would only not be wrong if you could not gain the food in any other way, through convincing the needy to give it, or getting it yourself etc.
But then, it would also be a deadly sin for the person who has more than you keeping it, as it would be greed, and possibly gluttony, if food is not just a metaphor.
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 Hmm hi guys,Let see what god do to me in last 1-2yare(nothing)only problems I must pay this,I must pay that,and come on court here,go to police station there,get fired,only one god thing wich is left to me is my girlfriend.I think too that god has gone some where where he can see us coz we are bored to him for now!!
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posted May 23, 2006 01:55 PM |
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God is a deity imagined out of need for reason, and meaning, and is now widely demoted to a personal scapegoat.
Sorry to hear that you're going through some tough times Sick Boy.
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posted May 23, 2006 02:07 PM |
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Thx titanium! I have some opinion like you I think that is something out ther wich is more powerful than us and I dont say that is the god!God is just like u say "imagined" coz we need reason,and meaning,why we live and what will hapen after we die.And for all poeple is religion meaning of live every one must bealive in something and he living little easy coz he hope after he die that will everything bee ok.
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posted May 23, 2006 03:13 PM |
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This is just like a political conversation.
Everyone has thier own opinions & everyone has thier beliefs in it & it will be different.
People should learn to respect it but also express thier opinions.
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posted May 23, 2006 04:04 PM |
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True, everyone ha his/her own opinions on the issue and nobody has a right/wrong opinion.
It would be ignorant someone to say that someone else is wrong for believing in God, and vice versa. Its a touchy issue that will never have a definant answer.
We are lucky however that no firm believers have seen this thread otherwise we might have a religous war on our hands
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posted May 23, 2006 04:22 PM |
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We are lucky however that no firm believers have seen this thread otherwise we might have a religous war on our hands
No firm believers, huh? Well, you can look at it this way: While there's definitely a lot to comment about, what's a true firm believer if he/she lacks good self-control?
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posted May 23, 2006 04:24 PM |
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True but when a heated discussion comes up, especially of this nature firm believers of one opinion can tend to get quiet vocal in order to get their msg across.
@Pecu... lol
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posted May 23, 2006 04:34 PM |
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True but when a heated discussion comes up, especially of this nature firm believers of one opinion can tend to get quiet vocal in order to get their msg across.
I've come to accept that living by example is far more appropriate than open preaching and debating. The direct approach isn't always the best.
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posted May 24, 2006 12:33 PM |
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This is just like a political conversation.
Everyone has thier own opinions & everyone has thier beliefs in it & it will be different.
People should learn to respect it but also express thier opinions.
Just voicing my opinion.
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posted May 24, 2006 08:59 PM |
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Please pleas stop dscussing this! Religion was put ther for a reason, and if you discuss stupid people might become athiest! (for the record I am one). I cant talk tight now, so I'll elaborate later, but to sum it up, if people dont belive in god or hell, nothing is stoping them from raping, and murding all cops that come near him. Agin ill explain later
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posted May 25, 2006 11:51 AM |
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Miru, do you murder and rape cops?
Why not, if you're athiest?
Religion isn't the only thing holding back total anarchy. What about law enforcement, good will, I'm athiest (if you want to call it that), but I don't want to kill a whole bunch of people and ruin my life.
Sure, you could argue that you could kill all the cops and everything, sure, but then you'd have to be lucky, and even then you'd have to keep running your whole life, and it wouldn't be very long.
If religion was the only barrier to complete anarchy, then we would be all dead by now, regardless of whether I state my opinions in this thread or not.
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The people you mention would have to be religious enough to beleive in heaven/hell, but not so religious that they can't sin by having these hateful, vengeful, murderous thoughts that they no doubt harbour, only held back by religion.
These people would be very few, and could be overcome, if there are any...
To quote Eko from Lost:
"When I was working as a priest conducting sermons, there was always a boy who would wait behind after every day, he would sit there. One day he confessed to me that he had beaten a dog to death with a shovel.
He said that the dog had bitten his baby sister, and he did it to protect her, and asked me if he would go to hell.
I told him that God would understand, and he would be forgiven.
But the boy did not care about forgiveness. All he cared about was that if he did go to hell,
That dog would be there waiting for him."
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posted May 27, 2006 03:58 PM |
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I think hes been hearing more stories then he should, if he was protecting his sister then yea.
If a dog was attacking my family, then i wouldnt hesitate.
Same goes if someone came & tried to hurt one of my dogs, they would get an arse whopping they would never forget.
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I think it shows about how the boy didn't confess to be righteouss or search for forgiveness, he just didn't want to be punished. Human nature, greed, not a deadly sin, he doesn't want to suffer, he wants more, or if it were the other way around, eternal life.
I think that's how a lot of religious people unconciously think, they don't practice religion to be righteouss, or to do what God says, why should they? What will they get in return? Eternal bliss, and absolution from Hell. That's why they do it.
They want this, or don't want that, just like the boy, it's greedy, but it's just so human. It's in our genes, to want more. Survival is how we were built. Lust, the need to reproduce. Gluttony, the need to eat for sustainance.
But we as humans aren't different from any other animal in the way we are made, to make us go to Heaven... we can think more abstract thoughts than they can, but we are still no different from the computer you look at.
We have electrical impulses running in circles throughout our body, powered by some source, contracting a muscle here, producing a hormone there, splitting a cell here, changing a light on the screen, processing a program. Cut off the power source, unplug the power, stop eating, it ends. Disconnect the wires, breach the spinal cord, death, termination. We are made of a collection of material atoms, who bond together to form cells, who group together to form tissues, then organs, then our whole body, throught the evolution theory.
We understand why we are here, evolution, and why organs, and why tissues, biology, and why cells, chemistry. But we haven't discovered why atoms are there yet, the most simple building block (in essence) of matter, and this should be the only thing tributed to a God, because we are yet to find a reason. Everything else we have a reason, and we know why it's there, there is no way we can have concioussness after the power is cut off, and the impulses stop running through our body. There is nowhere to go, nowhere where energy and matter can exist in an environment like heaven is supposed to be. This is why I don't believe in the afterlife.
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Hello.
A few quotes(not exact):
"I cannnot believe God endowed the human mind with Reason and Curiosity, then intended us to forbear their use." -Galileo
"If there is a God, why do bad things happen to good people?" -Freud
"The evolution of the universe may mean that intelligent life evolving is not only probable, but inevitable." -Scientist, Head of Vatican Astronomy Department
"Don't be bitter. If God exists, he's not a bad person, but certainly an underachiever." -Woody Allen
"Killer God!" -Frances Goldsmith
"The problem with Ideological faith is that it doesn't understand the difference between Sin and Evil." -Cirroco Jones
"For a Bad person to do a Good thing, that takes courage.
For a Good person to do a Bad thing, that takes Religion." -Unknown
"Did you make mankind after we made you, and the devil too?" -XTC
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -Carl Sagan
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posted May 27, 2006 07:04 PM |
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I you knew that this is all you had, why would you waste it bing riteos and a virgin? Religion has other uses too - in order to establish gvernment, start wars, basically convince a mass of people to do something they dont want to do, you use religion. Religion is not a faith, so much as a tool, to those who can use it.
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posted May 27, 2006 10:40 PM |
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Thats it .
A big deal for somethang we all knew or had opinions on.
We all had our hearts felt for what you were going to say & thats it
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