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posted October 29, 2007 03:48 PM |
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All of the animals you mentioned do have common ancestors. Most of these common ancestors have been found.
Get you facts right. Evolutionary science is faltering, because evolution is an unproved myth, a fairy-tale.
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Change is gradual. You can't point your finger at any offspring of any parent and say, "Aha! These are different species!" The change takes many generations until species seperate.
Impossible, and unproved. We have never observed this in real life.
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It takes more than intelligence to create civilization. It takes a large group of people and abundant resources. If Albert Einstein was born a caveman, chances are he couldn't have done much. Sumeria was the first civilization, although there are a few older cities, if I'm not mistaken. And they didn't become civilized "all of a sudden". It was a gradual process.
It shouldn't have taken 494 000 years to come up with a civilization. God created us 10 000 years before Christ.
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Explain how some instances of bacteria within a species develop immunity towards antibiotics.
The same thing happens to Humans. That is not evolution.
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Why do religious people often mix science with faith?
They are two totally different things.
They can co-exist peacefully.
They can not, as "science" who contradicts the bible is false.
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Why haven't we seen zealots of far-eastern religion marching against science?
Again, what you speak of is not science. All false religions where created by Lucifer and his demons. No problem for them to go hand in hand, they serve the same master.
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One could say it's because of the one god idea and the forbidding of other religions that will eventually cause the downfall of christianity ,islam and their modifications.
We are on the rise. Soon all of America will belong to the Protestants. While heretics, they can sure take care of the state and it's God. They will give no funding to false "science".
And do never forget that His Holiness the Pope is Christs infallible vicar on Earth!
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posted October 29, 2007 03:59 PM |
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The same thing happens to Humans. That is not evolution.
Is it not a beneficial mutation?
You must have somehow acquired a skewed definition of evolution. I can disprove anything I like as long as I use a different definition of, say, 'gravity' or 'sky'.
Evolution is a long process which consists of many such beneficial mutations, all of which appear randomly. The process is much slower with more sophisticated species because their complexity means that any mutation is more likely to do harm than good, but that doesn't rule out beneficial mutations, the existence of which you have negated in the other thread.
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posted October 29, 2007 04:27 PM |
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I find it quite interesting, that we again have a theist here, who claims everything related to science as "impossible, fairy-tale, nonsense" etc., but everything written in the bible is true.
What makes the bible more true than Darwin's "Evolution theory"?
What if all these "Earth is only 10.000 years old" is 100% impossible?
There do exist many evidences how one could determine the age of specific corpses, stuffs, bones etc...
It is proven those (let's call it) "bones" change their chemical consistency due to time and climatic influence.
The reason why it took so long to evolve into a human race we are currently is also easy to explain:
The more tools one has, the more he can develop. Means, the more investigations happened, the more possibilities mankind had to investigate other things.
If we would have had computers 200 years ago already, we would have had Heroes 3 185 years ago already.
No electricity, no computers.
No transistors, no computers.
No plastic, no computers.
No wheels, no computers.
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posted October 29, 2007 05:36 PM |
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It's no use Lord_Woock. You will only ever get "the pope and the bible are infallible". I hope he's just a troll.
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posted October 29, 2007 06:03 PM |
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Obviously just a troll. Nobody is THAT myopic.
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posted October 29, 2007 06:17 PM |
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Question.
If the Pope is infallible, then what happens if he admits mistake?
The Pope couldn't have been wrong, because he is infallible.
He cannot be wrong in admitting mistake, for he is infallible.
Paradox.
Does this mean the Church crashes and requires a reboot?
EDIT: Or perhaps an instant Judgement Day?
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baklava
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posted October 29, 2007 06:23 PM |
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Watch the movie "Dogma".
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ZanJerusalem
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posted October 29, 2007 06:39 PM |
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Is it not a beneficial mutation?
No, such is the nature of Bacteria.
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What makes the bible more true than Darwin's "Evolution theory"?
It is more realistic. Also if you have felt the Holy Spirit, you can imagine ho wit must have been when Saint Athanasius and the holy men at Nicaea complied the bible.
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The reason why it took so long to evolve into a human race we are currently is also easy to explain
We are speaking about 500 000 years. Do you think it is it logical that we grown from 1 human to 6 million humans in 494 000 years, and then from 6 milions to 6,2 BILLIONS in 8000 years? Also the more kids who will die, the more kids will the dead kids parents "make".
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I hope he's just a troll.
Obviously just a troll. Nobody is THAT myopic.
I find this quite insulting as I am not a troll but a Christian who likes Heroes of Might and Magic and to debate Darwinists.
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Question.
If the Pope is infallible, then what happens if he admits mistake?
The Pope couldn't have been wrong, because he is infallible.
He cannot be wrong in admitting mistake, for he is infallible.
Paradox.
Does this mean the Church crashes and requires a reboot?
EDIT: Or perhaps an instant Judgement Day?
He is only infallible when it comes to theology. (Ex Cathedra, the cloack of infallibility)
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posted October 29, 2007 07:03 PM |
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Before I actually post on this topic a few questions for Zan:
Is Christianity more right than the Egyptian, Greek, Roman other pagan religions?
I am not an atheist, before you get angry at another target. 
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posted October 29, 2007 07:15 PM |
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Is Christianity more right than the Egyptian, Greek, Roman other pagan religions?
Yes. Those false religions was created by the devil and his demons as a result of Gods pact with Israel. Luckily, he loves us all now after Jesus came!
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posted October 29, 2007 07:17 PM |
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I'm sorry, I might be wrong, but I understand that Egyptian religion existed before Moses and God's pact with Israel?
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posted October 29, 2007 07:20 PM |
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Yes and No. "Judaism" was the original religion. Adam and Eve where Jews. Not relay Jews, but they believed in God so they where at least Jahweists.
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posted October 29, 2007 07:33 PM |
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But this doesn't answer the question. You were talking about the pact God made with Israel upon the freeing of the jews from the slavery of Egypt? That was in the time of Moses, right? But Egyptian religion did exist before Moses...
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posted October 29, 2007 07:37 PM |
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Commence backpedaling....
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posted October 29, 2007 07:56 PM |
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How can you put so much faith in a book?
Say there once was an original version of the bible... after so many decades, so many translations, and the writing of so many copies under ever changing circumstances... how can you be sure that the bible as we know it today, is not but a shadow from the book it once was?
How can you be sure that the things that are written within are litterally the same as they were centuries ago? The answer is you cannot be sure, because people (who are inherently flawed of nature) will willingly or unwillingly have altered the ancient texts.
With this knowledge, is it not dangerous to assume that the word of the bible is (still) the word of god, and that its teachings should be taken literally?
Just some thoughts...
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posted October 29, 2007 08:14 PM |
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We are speaking about 500 000 years. Do you think it is it logical that we grown from 1 human to 6 million humans in 494 000 years, and then from 6 milions to 6,2 BILLIONS in 8000 years? Also the more kids who will die, the more kids will the dead kids parents "make".
Only simple mathematics are needed to explain that. First of all, the average age a human in stone age diedat was around 35, now it is 75 (in "modern" countries). Many women in the past died when they gave birth to first baby. Many babies died in the first days.
And about this "fast" growth in the last 8000 years. Just imagine how long u need to "hoard" 1 million dollars. And then imagine how long u need to hoard a second million. Don't u think this will work much faster?..
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posted October 29, 2007 08:46 PM |
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ZJ, I think that you should receive a QP for your funny posts. You're almost as funny as TUM.
Seriously, though, you can't seriously debate the way you're debating.
You: Follow God's will evolution is false!
Me: Common ancestors have been found as fossils.
You: Nu-uh! Get your facts straight! Satanism/science is a dying plague!
Or something like that.
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posted October 29, 2007 08:51 PM |
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No, such is the nature of Bacteria.
Do you at least understand how the system works? Bacteria don't see antibiotics and then think, bloody hell, if this touches me, I'm gonna die, so I should become immune quick! Such changes do not occur within any creature's lifetime, but are the effect of imperfect copying of DNA. Some instances end up with immunity to certain otherwise lethal substances by coincidence. Then most of the population is wiped out by disinfection, and the survivors multiply, making the lucky gene more common.
This is a mutation.
It is beneficial.
That's how evolution works, and it doesn't bloody well work. Live with it.
And here's an interesting note I once found:
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posted October 29, 2007 09:06 PM |
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This is a mutation.
It is beneficial.
That's how evolution works, and it doesn't bloody well work. Live with it.
That could never happen to us Humans or to animals. If an animal mates with another animal not of its exact species, the result will be a sterile creature. Because of this evolution is impossible.
God did not create you an atheist. Predestination is a false Calvinistic doctrine. God gave you a free will to choose between being saved by doing good works in his name or go to eternal damnation.
AND: I trust in the uncorrupted original texts, the Masonetic text and the Vulgate,
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posted October 29, 2007 09:07 PM |
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How can you put so much faith in a book?
My view on reading the Bible.
All the translations and changes don't matter as much as it may seem. People always talk about interpretation of the bible and what such-and-such passage means. Should it be interpreted literally or metaphorically? And even within those two choices there is much interpretation.
I say it doesn't matter. A person can read the Bible one day and it "means" one thing. And the next day they can read the same exact passage and it "means" something different. Now here's the catch. They can BOTH be right. Because it doesn't really mean any one thing. If done properly, when a person reads the Bible it's the PROCESS that's important, not the specific words.
The process of reading the Bible, or any other religious text, should be a humbling process. It's the humbling of self in favor of recognition that self is not as important as a "greater good". The "greater good" can be viewed as God, Mother Nature, the whole of mankind, or anything else.
When done in this way, the words aren't nearly as important as the reminder that there is something larger and more important than ourselves. It should be meditative or maybe contemplative in nature.
When people talk about the "inspired word of God" you can ask the question: Is it the specific words as written that are "inspired"? Or is it what the reader receives at the time of reading that's inspired?
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