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posted November 09, 2007 04:17 PM |
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Ok guys and girls, here is the point to stop this. I would strongly recommend to:
a.) turn back on topic!
b.) send an HCM to a Mod if u feel insulted/flamed/ or attacked in any way.
c.) accept the fact people who have other native language than english sometimes doing hard to express what they feel.
Consider this post as a warning, so any further breaking of a.), b.) or c.) will raise the possibility for gaining a penalty.
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posted November 09, 2007 04:48 PM |
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I've seen it asked a few times now that this thread be closed. I personally don't think that it's neccessary - but a redirection might certainly be in order here.
One of the great things about the Otherside was once the amazing debates that went on here between members. And by debate, I mean a constant exchange of ideas - that were listened to and responded to. What we have here now seems to be no more than a shouting match.
Those of you here who claim to support a "Christian" viewpoint, are doing it a great disservice. I've seen very little to support a Christian way of thinking here.
If you truly do believe in God, and have faith in the Church - why not try to represent your views in a way that's worth listening to? throwing out comments like "God is like an M16 agent", and "Take that as a favor, because you in realty don't deserve to live, certainly don't deserve to be in the precence of God." are not words that anyone here would find worth listening to.
They do no more than inflame people, and strengthen their opinion that your views are simply nonsense.
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Lol no, I mostly said that just to piss you off 
And I really think that sums up a lot of how you people post. You write simply to inflame the other posters - and that serves to accomplish nothing.
Why not try to communicate your ideas in a way that people will want to listen? It would make this thread so much more inetersting to read...
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posted November 09, 2007 05:00 PM |
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I agree with what Pandora said, but seriously (for me at least) it just repeats itself (and not much time anymore). To be honest I never even read it 'fluently' since page 60 I think. 
right now my time is limited, but maybe i'll be back sometime later
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posted November 09, 2007 05:02 PM |
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True could be an interesting topic,but i want to show,with the permition of angelito how started the arguing and after showing this will be all clearly:
Moonlith said:I find it ironic how your profile claims you are 21 while your thoughts are alike to a 15 year old, no offense.
Speaking of Noah, do you guys HONESTLY believe Noah built an arc and collected 2 (a male and a female) of every species alive on earth, put them in his arc, managed to survive a flood that way, and since then, let those animals spread all over earth again to repopulate?
Please say yes, PLEASE.
that was a bit direct,first attempt to argue.
antipaladin said idnt anyone else thought this is a direct insult?
oh and well,ZJ,you are 15,and so is gallow,althought i would check if they are not the same ip.
again,other attempt
antipaladin said:LOL this is funny probbly becouse its untrue,you've said it yourself,your a cathlic christian.
Do you want to know why i think you 15? from the next reasons:
-You turn to anger and swearing often and action that reminds me of william in its time.
-You often contredict yourself in numerouse occeasins,and contredict ZJ,while saying that your supporting him.
-Your logic is obscured(atleast to me). your taking this much too personally(again Williams case)...
Here are the reasons why i think you and ZJ are same person:
-You're both are sheeple.
-at hes age its says that hes fifteen,yours doesnt,however you act like 15.
-ZJ's "making fun" of god,seggests that hes trolling.
and finnaly that,after the arguing started of course,but you can see the proof who really started that,thank you and nothing else to say
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posted November 09, 2007 05:15 PM |
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Was there really any point to that last post Gallow? I really don't find that Antipaladin said anything especially wrong, your reactions to posts have been somewhat immature. I'm sorry if you find that an insult, but it's true - when someone replies using many !!!!!!'s, using the word stupid repeatedly and throwing in some omg's... it would seem thatthe post is coming from someone younger - its just how people read you.
If you wish to be taken as an adult, and not confused with other members - then try to think before you hit the reply button, and not just react in an angry manner any time someone makes a post that isn't to your liking.
All of this is completely offtopic however.
Anti - with regards to your question about it being a direct insult, i would say that the post is insulting, and rather a load of ... well, lets just say i disagree with it. However I think he's making a blanket statement about anyone who doesn't share his views, rather than say any one person in particular should die.
*gosh I feel like a babystitter writing this stuff *
It would be cool if some of you who haven't taken the time to read this thread through would look to the beginning of the thread, and see teh types of posts made there - and see why so many people are objecting to what this thread has become.
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posted November 09, 2007 05:26 PM |
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*peeks into the thread*
Is it safe to come in now? Or is there still an atomic war going on?
Anyway, not REALLY on topic, but better than the last page:
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Actually, when the commandment was first transcribed it meant;
Thou shalt not kill another JEW
May I know your source for this?
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As was further defined by Moses Maimonides:
If one slays a single Israelite, he transgresses a negative commandment, for Scripture says, Thou shalt not murder. If one murders willfully in the presence of witnesses, he is put to death by the sword. Needless to say, one is not put to death if he kills a heathen.'
It's true that the Jews were nicer to each other than to heathens, but there were heathens, especially traders, that lived side by side with Jews and I'm not sure that murdering such a trader wouldn't lead to an execution.
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posted November 09, 2007 07:17 PM |
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Well that would have to be based on the fact how they were treated among Jews. That I don't know. If Jude had killed a samaritan that might have gone unpunished. At least there wouldn't have been an execution. But for someone with whom they had no quarrel with like Greek for example I doubt it. I still don't think they would have executed the criminal for it maybe banish him.
That was if the criminal was a man. Women would have been executed most likely allways.
Why does this thread always end up in a fight? The little fightin over topic(ZJ as example) is ok but why does it always get into personalities? There is no need for it. Here is yet again a page's worth of cleaning for mods. Take it to MSN. Easier and let's the rest of us off the hook.
Well at least that keeps Angelito busy.
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posted November 10, 2007 12:20 AM |
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okay.
anyway i want to correct,did you say the old testament used the worth jews? thats wierd,since the word itself came somewhat after the fall of juda by the romans.
let me give you another exemple.
One part of the old testament is a book of laws,litterly,however the book was dated to have been written in variuse times.
so one part of it states something like:
if i will kill your slave,i must pay you.
in a new virson,and more humonidic that came some 100-200 years after.
states:
if i will kill your slave i will be executed.
it was also stated in the newever virson of more feminism.
Making the wife come before the horse.
another unkown fact that the 10 comendments devide into 2 sections.
1 is man to man,another is man to god. ie man to man is more importent there for though shalt not murder is the first comadment,meaning that you are not the one to kill,excecutions and bloond redepmtions still live to this day in conservtive muslim-bedowin soccitys.
its called "Nikmat dam" or Blood vangance.
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posted November 10, 2007 01:49 AM |
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I've seen it asked a few times now that this thread be closed. I personally don't think that it's neccessary - but a redirection might certainly be in order here.
One of the great things about the Otherside was once the amazing debates that went on here between members. And by debate, I mean a constant exchange of ideas - that were listened to and responded to. What we have here now seems to be no more than a shouting match.
Those of you here who claim to support a "Christian" viewpoint, are doing it a great disservice. I've seen very little to support a Christian way of thinking here.
If you truly do believe in God, and have faith in the Church - why not try to represent your views in a way that's worth listening to? throwing out comments like "God is like an M16 agent", and "Take that as a favor, because you in realty don't deserve to live, certainly don't deserve to be in the precence of God." are not words that anyone here would find worth listening to.
They do no more than inflame people, and strengthen their opinion that your views are simply nonsense.
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Lol no, I mostly said that just to piss you off
And I really think that sums up a lot of how you people post. You write simply to inflame the other posters - and that serves to accomplish nothing.
Why not try to communicate your ideas in a way that people will want to listen? It would make this thread so much more inetersting to read...
First of all Pandora, you're not even a Christian so how would you know what the Christian viewpoint is? Like Corribus likes to point out 99% of everything in this thread is based on misconceptions (including yours). I've not seen one single redeeming reply toward the Christian viewpoint. It's nothing but slander and spin such as saying that religion and Christians are responsible for most of the evil in the world. The fact that your ashamed of what the Christians have said and bat an eye to hate speech such as that is a strong indication that moderaters of this forum are agnostic liberals just the same as everyone else.
Now as far as the comment "you don't deserve to live, don't deserve to be in the precence of God." There is no other way to explain it. Whether or not you take that seriously is a personal decision that will have eternal consequences. Personally I would rather people take God seriously. As I've said before God is both lawful and loving. That's something that can't be shown in some internet forum where nobody thinks about their future or eternity for that matter.
Personally, I think this thread is dead. Every topic has been hashed over on several occasions, people spinning and twisting words, and finger pointing is all that's left.
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posted November 10, 2007 02:33 AM |
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One of the great things about the Otherside was once the amazing debates that went on here between members. And by debate, I mean a constant exchange of ideas - that were listened to and responded to. What we have here now seems to be no more than a shouting match.
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Heh Heroes players are such a bunch of nostalgics.
Heroes 3, the 80s old cartoons and the other side from years ago
Indeed you see everything in the past in rose-tinted glasses.
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posted November 10, 2007 05:16 AM |
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Actually, I am Lutheran - was raised in a strict Christian household - and I do believe in God.
@ roy - You've completely misunderstood me if you think I was just being nostalgic. My point was that I don't see people trying to make their points based on their own merit, rather people tend to "prove"themselves right by "disproving others"
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posted November 10, 2007 05:23 AM |
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Ah Ok i see. Yes the original posts were more inspired.
Thought to be truthful i think the momentum of the thread has kind of died out and is at its final throes right now. Im guessing when people get interested it will be ressurected in time.
Still doesnt mean we shouldnt at least try to argue (yes argue .To persuade through reason and logic. Not a bloody shoutmatch)Or more accuratly debate.
However i wouldnt say even 10% of the posts made recently are really bad (excluding the off topic ones like this) . Just a blemish on the record i guess.
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Just to clear something up for you.
(1) I was raised in a Methodist household, so I'm pretty clear on the "Christian viewpoint".
(2) I am not a "liberal".
(3) I have no problem with Christians or religious people in general. In most common instances those who follow a faith are well-intentioned, good people - as are most who chose NOT to follow a faith. Most likely, you are one of them. I have many Christian friends, AND I have had many civil discussions with Christians about their beliefs, and came out of those discussions understanding better their viewpoints, even if I don't agree with them. *My* problem as it pertains to religion is with those people who use their religious beliefs as a reason to infringe upon the rights of (or worse, cause violence to) OTHER people. As it happens, a great deal of the violence and discord in this world DOES have religion as an ultimate cause (and I don't just mean people shooting eath other). That does not mean that I think religion is a universally bad thing, nor does it mean that I think that religion has contributed nothing to our society. Far from it. But I do believe that religion certainly is a motivating factor for a lot of evil in the world and that in that respect, the world currently might be a better place without it. That's not a hypothesis I can verify of course. It's mere speculation. When I say I think religion should be completley abolished, that of course is a bit tongue in cheek. But I think the way that people allow their religion to act as a divisive force in society DOES need to change.
(4) What I would like, just once, is for a religious person to admit that religion is not the omnibenevolent force that a lot of religious people pretend it is, AND to admit that religion would be a better thing if everyone let it guide their own lives, instead of trying to make their religion guide everyone else's lives. If everyone followed that simple rule, the negative influence of religion on society would be completely erased. But... it's never going to happen. (Oh yeah, and I'd also like religious people to stop trying to teach religion in science class. )
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posted November 10, 2007 08:42 AM |
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(3) I have no problem with Christians or religious people in general. In most common instances those who follow a faith are well-intentioned, good people - as are most who chose NOT to follow a faith. Most likely, you are one of them. I have many Christian friends, AND I have had many civil discussions with Christians about their beliefs, and came out of those discussions understanding better their viewpoints, even if I don't agree with them. *My* problem as it pertains to religion is with those people who use their religious beliefs as a reason to infringe upon the rights of (or worse, cause violence to) OTHER people. As it happens, a great deal of the violence and discord in this world DOES have religion as an ultimate cause (and I don't just mean people shooting eath other). That does not mean that I think religion is a universally bad thing, nor does it mean that I think that religion has contributed nothing to our society. Far from it. But I do believe that religion certainly is a motivating factor for a lot of evil in the world and that in that respect, the world currently might be a better place without it. That's not a hypothesis I can verify of course. It's mere speculation. When I say I think religion should be completley abolished, that of course is a bit tongue in cheek. But I think the way that people allow their religion to act as a divisive force in society DOES need to change.
(4) What I would like, just once, is for a religious person to admit that religion is not the omnibenevolent force that a lot of religious people pretend it is, AND to admit that religion would be a better thing if everyone let it guide their own lives, instead of trying to make their religion guide everyone else's lives. If everyone followed that simple rule, the negative influence of religion on society would be completely erased. But... it's never going to happen. (Oh yeah, and I'd also like religious people to stop trying to teach religion in science class. )
Ok I will tackle this . First to the end of three. I agree 100%, people should not worry about everybody elses religion or lack thereof. It should be between the person and whatever they do or don't believe in.
As a spiritual (and in many ways religious person) I will be the first to admit that religion is not omnibenevolent, and I already covered the other. See religion can come in many forms, and some are by far not benevolent. Some are down right spooky. People have even misused and twisted a few of the more benevolent religions. So allow me to be the first to say, not all about religion is daisies and roses.
If you read religious text without somebody standing over your shoulder 'explaining' (don't make me laugh) what something means you tend to come to different understanding of the text. Religion and science should not be taught in the same class, but I do believe that if one is taught, the other should be taught as well (just in different classes) and not just a specific religion ALL religions. Let people decide for themselves. Wait, back up a second. Not all religions. Satanism, occultism, and such should be left out. Those are some 'religions' that even I won't touch. And I have a pretty open mind.
To all christians out there. Hey, you have a very good message, but sometimes in the past how you've delivered that message has been horrible. Accept that not all the history of your religion is the best, and move on to try to represent the teachings better.
Now, why I believe the way I do. This may be a bit long, might want to go grab a drink, get comfortable, and grab a pillow.
My parents were not very religious. We didn't even go to church regularly together. At about 7 years old, I decided (and they supported) that I would like to go to church. They would drop me off, as I said they were not very religous, we had a uncle that went who would look after me during church.
Before that time I was a somewhat ... angry person. I would fight at the drop of a hat, and though female I ended up hurting more then a few people. After one particularly violent episode I started looking for away to calm the storm inside and wondered if religion would help. Now back to the church.
I started absorbing it, like I did anything I set my mind to at that age (like math). After a little while, I became known as the 'little priestess', I could tell you what book/chapter/and verse said what (without paraphrasing). I had a almost photographic memory at the time. Like all things in my life then it became a passion for me. Day and night I would study and research the bible.
After a few years unusual things started happening. I started experincing odd things. Seeing spirits, viewing the future, and noticing that I could tell what people were feeling. Not only that, under certain circumstances, I could 'change' how they were feeling. Mostly when they were hurt, I could make them not hurt anymore. At first I thought it was a gift from God for my faithful service.
We moved around a lot then, mostly because we were poor and often would run out of money to pay rent. I moved into this one town and things changed. We had a person going to our church called Brother Joe. He was a good man, but had a rough patch. He started drinking, lost his wife, and his job. He stopped coming for awhile. When he returned, he was sincerely trying to get his life back on track (we talked..a lot, he was like an older brother to me). They turned their back on him. Nobody would talk to him, or have anything to do with him, because the pastors wife told them not to. Don't have a clue why, or what business it was of hers, but that is beside the point.
I tried talking to them, but I was 'just a kid' and 'didn't understand'. I understood alright, when somebody needed their kindness and charity the most, they turned a blind eye. This began me searching for other answers. I left the church and started reading. I studied other religions, science, even the old 'mythologies'.
I have never found something that truely calls to me. Though I base my belief on the evidence I have personally seen and witnessed, no one religion seems 'right' to or for me. Now I will admit something that not very many people know.
In between my church days and seeking a 'higher' path, I sunk very low. I became a member of an occult. We are talking Satanism type occult. With animal sacrificing and all. I was...jaded and dark to say the least. I came to my senses (thank goodness), but it is something I have to live with for the rest of my life now.
Since I've had the vehicle accident I am lucky to remember my own name sometimes (not that bad, but seems like it sometimes). The old joke I like to use is (and it is just a joke thankfully, though sometimes my memory IS horrible): I wouldn't know where I lived if people were not always telling me where to go. Just havn't figured out why I would live THERE. Yet there is one thing I will never forget. Religion has changed my life more then a few times, sometimes for worse, but most of the time for better.
It's quieted my inner anger, it has helped me be a more generous and caring person, and it has helped me cope with the fact that I will never be the same again after the accident. Sometimes you have to sink to your greatest low in order to rise to your greatest height.
Sorry lost my train of thought there. By now I am sure your wondering "And this has to do with why/how you believe how exactly?"
Well who you are determines a lot what you believe, but I got sidetracked a bit. I believe the way I do because of my personal experiences, and what I have found out during my journey.
There are a lot of commonalities in more then a few religions. Events that though not exact, resemble things that happened in other religions. Common ammoung a lot of these is things like a flood that decimated mankind. I started wondering about the common occurences. Coincidence? Happenstance? Actual historical moments explained as mystical relivence? Not sure, but made me wonder. Perhaps there is truth in these texts. If one or two things are true, then why not 4 or 5? 10 or 20? Perhaps there is a method to the madness...
Anyhow, it is what I've seen, what I've learned and what I've been through that has helped me reach where I am today.
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posted November 10, 2007 09:04 AM |
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@Geny:
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Actually, when the commandment was first transcribed it meant;
Thou shalt not kill another JEW
May I know your source for this?
The bible.
Read in the original context of the Old Testament written for Jews, by Jews.
I can't give a specific source other than I found out about this from the writings of Richard Dawkins, and the further passage of clarification by the rabbi mentioned in that same post.
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posted November 10, 2007 10:06 AM |
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Actually, I am Lutheran - was raised in a strict Christian household - and I do believe in God.
Then, I would like to ask you, how do you intercept Matthew 16:18-19?
Matthew 16:18-19 (New Jerusalem Version)
18 So I now say to you: You are Peter [a] and on this rock I will build my community. And the gates of the underworld [b can never overpower it. [c]
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven: whatever you bind on earth will be [d] bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be [e] loosed in heaven.'
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a. Matthew 16:18 Peter means rock.
b. Matthew 16:18 Or hell
c. Matthew 16:18 Or not prove stronger than it
d. Matthew 16:19 Or have been
e. Matthew 16:19 Or have been
You believe in Sola Fide, salvation by faith alone? Explain this:
Matthew 7:21
'It is not anyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord," who will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but the person who does the will of my Father in heaven.
And this:
Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptised will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.
I never heard any good Lutheran explanation of this. Also, I would like to know, if you believe in predestination as most does, doesn't it contradicts that belief God loves everyone, if he from the beginning of their live choose some to come to heaven and most to go to hell? Doesn't that mean that we have no free will?
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Don't you see the problem with letting people destroy themselves by joining Occultist or Satanistic sects or "Christian" cults like the WBC. We need to save these people; therefore these twisted cults should not be allowed to exist. Or do you want to be afraid of leaving you dog/cat/whatever at home because you Satanist neighbour could break into your house and sacrifice it?
Besides that, it's natural for Christians to try saving others. Faith is the first source of salvation (the other being works and baptism), and of course we would like to save as many as possible for an eternity in hell, especially the ones we like most.
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posted November 10, 2007 10:36 AM |
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Just curious ZJ what you think about this one.
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Matthew 7:1-5
Spread the good word all you like, but you should not judge others who do not accept your ways. That is for God to decide, not man. So anybody who takes it on themselves to spread gods word by force is automatically out of God's good graces. So the crusades, and their people are not agents of God. They are were/are only out for their own interests, not Gods.
As for your arguement that god gave life, so should be able to take it, does that mean that ones father and mother should be able to take their life? Or grandmother/grandfather? After all, they had something to do with that person's life also. By your arguement if a woman drowned her baby, she should not be punished as it would be her right. I won't get into abortions, this isn't the place.
Christianity has a lot of good messages, and I believe if not for some of it's history and zealots it would be one of the best religions their is. When they start abserving all the rules, instead of selective observance of what they like. That day seems far off, however.
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posted November 10, 2007 10:40 AM |
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-You turn to anger and swearing often and action that reminds me of william in its time.
-Your logic is obscured(atleast to me). your taking this much too
You do not know me of my past time, so keep your comments to yourself.
Just had to say this....
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posted November 10, 2007 11:08 AM |
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Mathew 15:20:
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
We have to judge them, guilt of false prophesy (heresy), if we are to fight them, right?
Ephesians 5:11:
11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them."
1 Corinthians 5:3:
3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.
I think what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 1 is that we should not condemn but expose, correct and rebuke. Otherwise we have to let the Anthroposophists preach their Dualism in the church, because not letting them do so is judging their false teachings?
Non-Christians are unable to make sound judgments about Christians: (thinking of someone who unrighteously judged me recently)
Corinthians 2:15:
15 But he who is spiritual judges all things (Christians), yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For who has known the mind of the Lord that he (non-Christian) may instruct him (Christian)? But we (Christians) have the mind of Christ.”
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As stated before, discussion is impossible with these guys around. They don't listen or react, they just spam their quotes.
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