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posted November 10, 2007 09:18 PM |
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I'll hold you to answering it.
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posted November 10, 2007 10:40 PM |
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experience speaks louder than insults
something about muslims being heretical...
first, read up on who you are insulting. ignorance is a disease and those who have it find it hard to get rid of. before you attack muslims because of your own deeply held belief's, first step into their shoes!
its much more interesting to live life like them than insult them. i have spend a few weeks in morocco, from a geography trip, where we were asked by the guide to come as see them pray. it was one of the most interesting experiences i have ever seen, because i had never seen muslims pray before, and it seriously made me consider converting to islam.
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posted November 11, 2007 06:52 AM |
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Exactly what I'm doing now. I have 3 copies of it at home and they all say the same thing: "lo tirtzah" - you will not murder. Sorry, but I don't see the word Jew/neighbour/friend/fellow citizen anywhere.
I agree that is what is written but I was merely restating the intended meaning.
I don't have any other quotes of clarification other than the highly respected twelfth-century rabbi and physician, and further compounded by a man called John Hartung.
The meaning was quite specific, and was nothing like what we now think it means.
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posted November 16, 2007 11:40 PM |
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I will repeat a question I posted earlier in this thread already:
What do those, who believe in god and some kind of "paradise" expect to do there after they died on earth?
Singing?....Praying?....Talking?...Sitting around?....Eating?....Drinking?
This may sound funny, but is NOT meant to be!
There (probably) won't be something like day and night, coz that's a speciality we have here on earth (sun and such, you know...). Every day there will join thousands of people (who died)...it will be crowded like "hell", coz this all started thousands of years ago. Imagine how many people died during that period (I know not all of them have been that good to be worthy sitting besides God...but some were for sure...)
I'm asking this, coz normally if u have a goal u want to reach in your life, you do it on purpose....coz u expect something.
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posted November 17, 2007 01:06 AM |
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Infinite life...
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posted November 17, 2007 09:29 AM |
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Hmm to try to explain what is in the afterlife as I percieve it is hard. It's not the standard white fluffy clouds, or fire and brimstone type thing. The way I see the afterlife..as basic as I can get it.
First as for crowding, the afterlife is not like a physical place. Even the earth, as large as it is, has limited space. The afterlife is not constrained by such things. Imagine if you would the ammount of space that could be achieved if every planet in the universe were brought together and made habitable. Even if 100 trillion people had died before this time, that wouldn't even be a speck on such a large area. The after life, if it had a limit, would be 1000x the size of all those planets combined. If you had to travel the normal way you could litterally travel for centuries without seeing another person.
Second, we will not be in a 'physical' body. Since we will be in 'spirit' form and on a different plane, size is abstract. For all anybody knows 100 million souls could fit comfortably on the tip of a needle. Everything would be 'sized' to this in the afterlife so it would not be noticible.
Now also, to me I think that it depends on the life you live the 'quality' of afterlife you get. Now I don't believe in the whole firey lake bit, more in the hades concept. If you live a decent life you go to a place that is YOUR idea of paradise. Whatever that may be . You may see relatives, ect, but they are just representations of the real deal who are in their own private paradise (or other). Now that doesn't mean you will never meet the 'actual' people, but since this place changes with your thoughts it is always fresh and new. So most people would pass a million years before even beginning to search for others.
Once you do start looking for the 'real' other people, depending on what type of afterlife they are in, you may or may not find them. If you are in a 'paradise' and the person you are looking for is not, then you probably won't be able to go to them. To go to somebody you just think of them, and boom you are there. In fact that is how everything is accomplished. You think, it happens. How you are to tell the 'real' people from those your own mind supplies is a very good question. I don't have a clue.
Now if you don't qualify for a paradise, but were generally a decent person, your after life will be the 'boring' variety. Lots of grey, not much to do, ect. And your mind only has limited impact on this. Your not 'punished', but it's going to be an awful boring eternity.
I like to think all the bad you do in your life is revisited on you, regardless of good, neutral, or bad afterlife. If you qualify for a 'good' afterlife you go through everything you did one time. Whatever you have done to another person gets done to you. A neutral it happens a couple of times. And if you have pretty much been a horrible person your whole life, then you get the 'bad' afterlife. After dozens of times where you get done to you everything that you have done to somebody else, then you get an enhanced version of the 'boring' afterlife.
Where as the others in the grey part might have occasional interesting things happen, nothing ever happens to those who have been bad. It is all dull, all the time. Talking elevator music dull. For eternity.
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posted November 17, 2007 09:40 AM |
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Sure that all sounds interesting but it is just your idea. As right or wrong as that may be, I don't know, but besides fantasy that doesn't really provide the basis for a discussion. For example I could have the idea that heaven is made out of Lego and it would hold as much weight as your idea of heaven.
But the one thing that is consistent and evident in the idea of after life is that it is infinite, ie. you cannot die. This seems obvious and desirable, but what you have to realize is that death as a final, inevitable destination puts EVERYTHING into perspective for us and as such pretty much all of our thoughts are based on that fundamental assumption.
So to make heaven anything other than, for lack of a better term, eternal "hell", your thoughts would need to ascend to something that we cannot even contemplate.
Otherwise, no matter how interesting heaven may be or how many belly dancers there are, eternity would be excruciating; the worst form of torture.
Would you rather die, or be suspended in eternal nothingness?
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posted November 17, 2007 10:06 AM |
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what you have to realize is that death as a final, inevitable destination puts EVERYTHING into perspective for us and as such pretty much all of our thoughts are based on that fundamental assumption.
We are (and more or less everything is) made of energy and energy is indestructible. Scientific fact.
When you die, your energy does not end or disappear. It just changes form, or simply goes somewhere. That's the unexplained part. Which is left open for theories.
Death is just the end of our CURRENT form. And even afterwards, memories are what keeps the form alive, until it finally decays, as everything does.
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posted November 17, 2007 11:07 AM |
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Yes, that energy loss is accounted for through decay etc. I hope you do not really think that we do not know where the energy of a person goes when they die...
Plus it's interesting to think that we would maintain the energy of our life in an immaterial afterlife.
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posted November 17, 2007 11:28 AM |
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Well, energy IS the very essence of our being. It isn't material, it isn't defined as what type of substance it is. The energy is still mostly a mystery.
So through decay our energy is taken by the bacteria. Yes. Just like OUR energy is a mixture of energy of everything we ate, directly the energy of the Sun, etcetera. What I meant was, we do not know where a person's energy will go because it will be divided by bacteria and other things that make us decay.
But then again, the bacteria will also die. And their energy will be spread, just like ours. In the end, it will be absorbed, drained by the plants, and eaten by an animal, becoming a part of it.
We do not have individual energy that is only ours. The energy of the universe is a whole. It is merely shared with us. Something like a universal soul. But then again, we are all a part of it.
I don't know how better to explain what I mean. :\
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What energy are you talking about? Chemical energy? These posts make no sense to me.
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posted November 17, 2007 07:08 PM |
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What I meant was, we do not know where a person's energy will go because it will be divided by bacteria and other things that make us decay.
Wait. Isn't that self-contradictory? You say that we don't know where a person's energy will go, and then you go on to say where it goes.
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What energy? we have soul,we are not a star,our body yes,die but the soul no...
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posted November 20, 2007 02:02 AM |
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Speaking of the afterlife, here's my theory:
Earthern life is a "Prison" for those souls in the afterlife who misbehaved  The body is the prison to keep the soul captive, and once the body dies, the soul is released and is done with his punishment, and may return.
Hence the existance of diseases: they help break down that prison.
Just a theory
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posted November 20, 2007 05:48 AM |
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Very interesting theory to hear about. And it would make sense why all those people said that they saw some kind of light or burning flame on the verge of death too!Maybe the sentence got lengthened
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posted November 21, 2007 10:27 AM |
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Wait. Isn't that self-contradictory? You say that we don't know where a person's energy will go, and then you go on to say where it goes.
Well, we don't know if all of it goes there, or where those bacteria go. We can't be certain. That's what I was trying to say.
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What energy are you talking about? Chemical energy? These posts make no sense to me.
All types of energy.
The energy which is ever present throughout the entire universe. The energy and life that the Sun gives us, which is the reason we worshiped the Sun as a god for centuries. What gives you life and energy has always been seen by the human race as God, so to speak - that is why the human race always respected the Sun (and the Mother, of course).
Plants, for example, absorb sunlight through photosynthesis to 'feed' - converting light energy into chemical energy. But it remains energy, it just changes form. All types of energy share the same essence, it just manifests itself in different ways. And energy by itself, although constantly studied, is still largely unexplained - what's it made of actually, how it was created, etc (it must have existed even way before the Big Bang, if the Big Bang ever happened of course). We simply know that nothing could function without it and that it has always been around.
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posted November 21, 2007 10:38 AM |
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People didn't worship the sun because it gives life; they didn't know the details of photosynthesis, they just saw this big hot thing in the sky that made day day and night night.
They thought "What the hell is that?"
and some guy was like "It's a god. End of story."
"Oh... but what is it?"
"A GOD!!!!! I TOLD YOU!!!!!!!!"
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The energy which is ever present throughout the entire universe.
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Precise. Are You talking about radiation, kinetical energy, potential energy, electromagnetic field, gravity, Dark energy, or something diffrent?
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The energy and life that the Sun gives us, which is the reason we worshiped the Sun as a god for centuries. What gives you life and energy has always been seen by the human race as God, so to speak - that is why the human race always respected the Sun (and the Mother, of course).
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Star does not give life. Star can help produce conditions for life to manifest itself. It can however spell unavoidable death.
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All types of energy share the same essence, it just manifests itself in different ways. And energy by itself, although constantly studied, is still largely unexplained - what's it made of actually, how it was created, etc (it must have existed even way before the Big Bang, if the Big Bang ever happened of course). We simply know that nothing could function without it and that it has always been around.
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If You state that all types of energies share the same essence - You can probably tell what is it? It would be good to know that, hence no-one found such a thing up to now.
Well - tell us what is the thing so characteristic to both "chemical energy" and the Dark Energy, upon which no scientist dream of precising what it actually can be? (apart from that it is not matter)?
Also - I would like to know Your proofs about every energy sharing the same essence.
In case You would want to know - this would be a proof to the Unified Field Theory, which could DRAMATICALY change the way humans see the existance.
And have in mind that the laws of physics formed themselves AFTER the Big Bang. Discussing about what was "before" big bang have the same doze of sense and intellect as "gt4r5y46y5y54y6gyy6u76r875w6y24yf6g762y6yg65wy6y65uy2y6". After the Big Bang laws of physics were exotic, which means You cant even classify them, not mentioning comparing them to today's laws.
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posted November 21, 2007 01:15 PM |
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We have a contreditcion,now we are real scientists!
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posted November 21, 2007 02:04 PM |
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No other theories about afterlife or what u expect after your death from some more "hardliners" ? (ZanJerusalem, Shadey, TheDeath...)
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