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posted February 10, 2008 03:38 PM |
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As explained above, religion is about FAITH, it's called BELIEVING for a reason. It's not about KNOWING, it's about BELIEVING.
Really, so just for the sake of it, let's say Jesus really existed and was God incarnated as a human. Let's say I were to live then back in year 0.
So the fact that I have seen Jesus would mean I am not believing anymore, and thus I wouldn't "stand up" for religion/faith anymore? (since I would've known Jesus or God existed).
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Moreover it's a foolish statement since you can't even back up your claim.
Can you back up your claims against Aliens that think differently? Or to put it more simply (choosing two random animals), can a Monkey back up it's claims against a snake?
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Unless your only argument is that you are far more enlighted and superior than us "atheists" and thus obviously way out of your league.
First off, how is that "obvious" anyway? any proof of that?
but then, he does not need to be "more enlighted" and "superior", he simply only needs to be different. In that, he thinks different, a different logic. Probably that's why he can't back up his claims for you, since it's difficult to express yourself for someone else who has a different logic, and make him understand.
you wouldn't believe how many people I know say how computer programming is illogical (I can't seem to explain it to them. If i use my logic, they say they don't understand).
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gallow
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posted February 10, 2008 09:11 PM |
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have fun belieing in what you believe in. I'm out of here, I dont need athiests talking trash to me.... Its my choice to hear it or not.
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angelito
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posted February 10, 2008 10:10 PM |
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Even though Moonlith has problems in finding the right mood / tone to express what he wants to say, he pointed out one of the main reasons believers and non-believers (being atheist or agnostic (like myself)) or any other kind...) argue.
No one can KNOW God exists, and on the other hand, no one can KNOW God does not exist. This is why it is called "Faith", "Believe" etc...
The example with "Let's assume Jesus did really exist.." has a main flaw....Even if Jesus did exist...still no proof God did/does aswell. SO even if u "saw" Jesus, doesn't mean you "saw" God. You "saw" someone who had spirituel influence to you...nothing esle.
Same way as Ron Hubbard had in "modern" times.....
So you can always expect a "trash talking" reply if you "provoke" a non-believer with the word "knowledge" refering to God.
And I have yet to see 2 or more different kinds of logic. That would be in fact illogical..
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Moonlith
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posted February 11, 2008 12:46 AM |
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Even though Moonlith has problems in finding the right mood / tone to express what he wants to say
It's not as much that I can't put things in a nice tone and style, as much as I just have little to no patience with "certain" people, especially in "certain" discussions, such as about religion - which to me is a non-issue.
"certain" here obviously replacing improper words.
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baklava
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posted February 11, 2008 01:16 AM |
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Edited by baklava at 10:01, 12 Feb 2008.
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@Moonlith
(oh alright picture removed per mod request...  )
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Moonlith
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posted February 11, 2008 01:59 AM |
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I actually thought that was funny  Although I'm not sure what I did to you if you meant that harmfully rather than humorously.
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baklava
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posted February 11, 2008 09:53 AM |
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Hey, I always mean things humorously 
Nevertheless, you DO tend to be a bit unpleasant to religious participants in the discussion, don't you think?
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted February 11, 2008 10:13 AM |
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Really, so just for the sake of it, let's say Jesus really existed and was God incarnated as a human. Let's say I were to live then back in year 0.
So the fact that I have seen Jesus would mean I am not believing anymore, and thus I wouldn't "stand up" for religion/faith anymore? (since I would've known Jesus or God existed).
If you met a man who claimed to be the son of god, you wouldn't really be knowing that he was the son of god.
You would be believing it, yes.
(well personally I wouldn't know or believe it I'd just think he were a nutcase)
But that's fine by me, it just seemed to me that "Proof denies faith" was the most biggest excuse given by theists. If you don't want to use it more power to you.
If you don't have a problem with proof..... why isn't there ANY?
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Moonlith
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posted February 11, 2008 10:36 AM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 10:40, 11 Feb 2008.
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Hey, I always mean things humorously
Nevertheless, you DO tend to be a bit unpleasant to religious participants in the discussion, don't you think?
Trust me, I know I just can't stand it when someone gets smacked right in the face with logic, and they ignore it. THEN proceed to make nonsense posts with non-arguments. Which is generally what religious 'participants' do. Scroll back, view the thread
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antipaladin
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posted February 11, 2008 02:54 PM |
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your problam monolith,is that you take it too sirouse,its the internetz,what will it give u besides a feeling of self-rewording that you won gallow over argument..those are zealose people. they will not listen to you,no metter how much truth you will tell them.
Its a question of will rather,if you tell them 2+2=4 they will still believ its 5,and nothing will convise them otherwise,unless the're intoxiced.
Look,when gallow flamed my HC with really nice letters and hes personal thoughts about my athiesm,and haterd to religion,i did replied once,twice,but then stop,when he saw i wasent paying any attention to him,he gave up on flaming me. -whos the silly one here?
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gallow
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posted February 11, 2008 03:04 PM |
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your problam monolith,is that you take it too sirouse,its the internetz,what will it give u besides a feeling of self-rewording that you won gallow over argument..those are zealose people. they will not listen to you,no metter how much truth you will tell them.
......now what i did? why you dont get a life and stop annoying others?
WHY you have to mention me,want to start again? and then its same for THEM dont want to listen i dont care 100% about it,can you stay on-topic that was totally non sence comment and its obvious you are trying to call my attention and provoking me..
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zealose.
what? you mean jealous? take the dictionary sometimes,it doesnt bite!
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sirouse
i think its serious
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Look,when gallow flamed my HC with really nice letters and hes personal thoughts about my athiesm,and haterd to religion,i did replied once,twice,but then stop,when he saw i wasent paying any attention to him,he gave up on flaming me. -whos the silly one here?
hmmmm OK..what is this you are making fun of me now? your wrong,you gave up on flaming because you like to do it,plus that was since a lot of months ago,dont try to piss me off man,shut your mouth.
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posted February 11, 2008 03:43 PM |
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Sorry Gallow but the way you're talking it is no wonder people won't take you serious nor respect you (except for the minimum requirements stated in the CoC)
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zealose.
what? you mean jealous? take the dictionary sometimes,it doesnt bite!
Autsch.... You know there is nothing wrong with not knowing an english word (especially this one since it's almost not used when speaking)...but asking someone elso to use the dictionary while you don't get it right... that's not how it works my friend. You play heroes right? So you must have seen this creature The Zealot. Now his name is not a coinsedence as zealous means as much as "fanatic opsession with a cause" for zealous people reason does no longer matter as for them there is only one truth. There is a german saying: "Wer im Glashaus sitzt sollte nicht mit Steinen werfen". It means "The one who sits in a glashouse shouldn't throw with stones... go figure.
So before you lecture others it's best to get your own facts/arguments/words correct... this actually doesn't only help in HC it's like this everywhere in life.
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Moonlith
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posted February 11, 2008 03:51 PM |
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@Antipaladin: To be quite frank I can't even bother responding to the kid anymore It's not for a feeling of self-reward that I do it, it's more based on hopes that perhaps they could catch onto logic and "see the light", to say it in a wussy kinda way.
I'm giving up hope though Celfious only adds to the list of people proving it's wasted energy. And I both admire and feel sorry for people like TitaniumAlloy who remain calm and patient in this, and still try.
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posted February 11, 2008 03:56 PM |
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Sorry Gallow but the way you're talking it is no wonder people won't take you serious nor respect you (except for the minimum requirements stated in the CoC)
No,sorry you my friend but this is not with you,take all that post from antipaladin and instead of my name put for example:Azagal,now you wont reply to it?
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Autsch.... You know there is nothing wrong with not knowing an english word (especially this one since it's almost not used when speaking)...but asking someone elso to use the dictionary while you don't get it right... that's not how it works my friend. You play heroes right? So you must have seen this creature The Zealot. Now his name is not a coinsedence as zealous means as much as "fanatic opsession with a cause" for zealous people reason does no longer matter as for them there is only one truth. There is a german saying: "Wer im Glashaus sitzt sollte nicht mit Steinen werfen". It means "The one who sits in a glashouse shouldn't throw with stones... go figure.
So before you lecture others it's best to get your own facts/arguments/words correct... this actually doesn't only help in HC it's like this everywhere in life.
sorry but im not with heroes all the time in my head im not not a nerd.That word in first impression means jelaous for anyone,so dont need to figure out a thing that inst the main point,the main point was about the on topic before all this,nothing happened UNTILL he came and posted something against me..again,when i didnt mention anything bad this time,now who is the bad one?
what im trying to say that this was peacefull untill he trowed his **** like always for indirect way to provoke,see for yourself if you cant find it your blind,plus the conversation was with celfious and others.
if this continue like this i will report it to the admin/person in charge here,because here some members are being unfair and not following the rules(antipaladin)
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Moonlith
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posted February 11, 2008 04:09 PM |
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Wolfman
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posted February 11, 2008 04:21 PM |
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I'm sorry, I don't follow this thread as much but...are you really arguing over a typo? A bit silly if you ask me.
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angelito
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posted February 11, 2008 05:02 PM |
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@ baklava
Please remove this picture, even though it is meant to be funny, it breaks the CoC.
@ Gallow
Please stop your private fight with Antipaladin, and especially stop correcting grammar / spelling of non native english speakers in the way you do it, or I have to penalize this behaviour.
@ all
How about coming back on topic?
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Wolfman
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posted February 11, 2008 05:40 PM |
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@ all
How about coming back on topic?
So, let's stop this bickering over who said what to who and who started what...Christ...speaking of which, how bout' those Christians? Crazy bunch aren't they?
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posted February 11, 2008 07:15 PM |
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At first I knew theres, a God, but now I think it's mainly more probable than a big bang or whatever godless variation there could have been.
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posted February 11, 2008 07:32 PM |
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At first I knew theres, a God, but now I think it's mainly more probable than a big bang or whatever godless variation there could have been.
So you had knowledge... but you... lost it? Where did the knowledge go:S
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