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TowerLord
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posted July 20, 2006 02:43 PM |
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Conscripts, right? Yea, me too 
feeling funny , dont't you ?
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ismail222
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The Cataclysm
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posted July 24, 2006 08:09 AM |
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assissans with there poison they're considered as the best 1st lvl creature they also got high intiative too u shouldn't compare unit by a unit u should compare unit with what help dose it give
cosncripts: dose nothing just die
Assissans: kicks asses with posion
and u can see it urself even conscripts dont have tax payer ability 
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Klaital
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posted July 24, 2006 09:59 AM |
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Conscripts actually do quite a lot of damage, and with soldiers luck their stunning attack triggers often. Just get battle frenzy and necklace of the bloody claw and your conscripts start to be really nasty. Assasin is rather far from best level 1 unit. Skeleton archer and master gremlin are both much better.  Familiar too.
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TowerLord
Promising
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Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted July 24, 2006 10:18 AM |
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assissans with there poison they're considered as the best 1st lvl creature they also got high intiative too u shouldn't compare unit by a unit u should compare unit with what help dose it give
cosncripts: dose nothing just die
Assissans: kicks asses with posion
and u can see it urself even conscripts dont have tax payer ability
the poisson ability is ok, but not that great, but even with it assassins deal really low damage.
of course the conscripts dont have the tax payer ability ... i never said they have it. but the peasants do, and you only upgrade them or train them before an important battle!
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ismail222
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The Cataclysm
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posted July 24, 2006 10:43 AM |
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well i wish i can fight any1 with dungeon against haven and then see the haven supriorty dungeon will kick haven's ass easily
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ismail222
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The Cataclysm
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posted July 24, 2006 10:48 AM |
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assissans with there poison they're considered as the best 1st lvl creature they also got high intiative too u shouldn't compare unit by a unit u should compare unit with what help dose it give
cosncripts: dose nothing just die
Assissans: kicks asses with posion
and u can see it urself even conscripts dont have tax payer ability
the poisson ability is ok, but not that great, but even with it assassins deal really low damage.
of course the conscripts dont have the tax payer ability ... i never said they have it. but the peasants do, and you only upgrade them or train them before an important battle!
posion not that great
i know why u say that cause it's more than great for a lvl 1 creature cosncripts consdired as the most useless lvl 1 unit sucky dmg sucky attck sucky deff sucky intiative and speed everything sux let's compare
Imp: mana stealer
Assassin: posion\shooter
Master Gremlin: repair\shooter
Sprite: caster\area attcker
Skeleton Archers: shooter\really big numbes
Conscripts: good at sucking
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TowerLord
Promising
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posted July 24, 2006 11:06 AM |
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poisson is 1 fixed dmg for every assassin you have for 3 turns . since the weekly growth of the assassin is low (7, 14 with castle), the poisson damage is low also.
and also don't forget the numbers of the conscripts. your lvl 1 analysis is purely based on stats. but those stats mean nothing, if the growth is soooo low... the assassin for example has a lower growth than the squire (lvl 3 heaven)!
And also remember that the Conscript has Shield Bash, which is not bad at all.
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ismail222
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The Cataclysm
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posted July 24, 2006 11:16 AM |
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well how about hero with recruetment staying in the town to increase growth????? and also haven is.....snowY snowY snowY snowY snowY any1 plays against any1 with haven against any faction of course any faction will own haven espically academy cause u got all academy creatures playing b4 all haven creatures cause of items and haveing luck + morale too and johra no chance ...and necro with vladimer all curses and ofcourse faster than haven hero+very very very very powerful raise dead and very high spell power let's say that u killed a sttack with palidans 1 raise dead and the whole stack is back + let the skeleton arhcers full arrow palidans then no chance to haven espically with no mana for cleansing...sylvan go kill a stack with palidans with haveing ur army as favoured enemy master hunters 1 shot palidans and now let all ur creatures try to kill the treants while defending also if u picked the unicorn hero she got blesses and very strong unicorns other armies we'll own haven too
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted July 24, 2006 03:18 PM |
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plus, haven midgame is rather poor, so it can be rushed easily.
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TowerLord
Promising
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posted July 24, 2006 03:34 PM |
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these are only statements! bring some strategies to sustain them ... it's easy to say Vladimir will raise the dead stack and the skellies will kill your paladins ! a smart player will never charge like a fool, he will wait near his Squires with his paladins until it's the right time to take out that stack ... and the griffins will also take out a stack , and the inquisitors and marksmen also ,and you'll be left with some skellies
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 24, 2006 03:37 PM |
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some? Did you ever faced a good necro with +1k skellies? killing 100 per round won't help, my friend. Plus, raise dead solves.
And they actually slay 1 stack per turn, unless you are standing like a fool with all your army next to the squires.. or you have mass expert deflect missle.. but you cast that and enemy counters it with something like mass confusion or frenzy, what then? :x
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TowerLord
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posted July 24, 2006 03:46 PM |
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doomforge we should play a game... heaven vs. necropolis , or heaven vs. inferno (no deleb) .
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted July 24, 2006 03:48 PM |
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no deleb? awww 
sure we could play.. if you come to Warsaw/Poland and play a hotseat/lan )) (yeah, I don't have the online key )
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TowerLord
Promising
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posted July 24, 2006 03:49 PM |
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no deleb? awww
sure we could play.. if you come to Warsaw/Poland and play a hotseat/lan )) (yeah, I don't have the online key )
hamachi ?! no need for online key with it
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Klaital
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posted July 24, 2006 08:06 PM |
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In most of the multiplayer maps there is no way that you have time to raise thousands of skeletons. And havens midgame definetily isn't bad, they practically need only wood, ore and crystal to build whole town, and you can easily get all dwellings level 1-4 on first week (even level 5 on first week if your town level starts at 3 or more) and level 6 + at least citadel (in resource rich maps or easier difficulties even castle) at second week. Even the level 7 dwelling only requires ore unlike about all other level 7 buildings that require like 4 or so different resources, so if you take gold from chests you will get that on week 3 also possibly.
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ismail222
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The Cataclysm
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posted July 25, 2006 09:49 AM |
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bahh towerlord u wanna play a game haven vs necro then i wish i can play against u but i cant cause ur gonna see what will necro do to haven
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TowerLord
Promising
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posted July 25, 2006 01:44 PM |
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ismail i'm sorry but your posts make me think you are not a very experienced player and I have no interest in playing you ...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 26, 2006 02:29 AM |
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Just look at all the different oppinions; "This IS much better.", "How can you say that That is good they suck ***!!1!", "No way, may xxx will pwn any yyyy any day!!!" and so on. To each his own has been said, right?
PS. Would it be possible to "settle" this in Duel Mode? (=try out some theories.) Or is it unbalanced? (I've only tried it once, to see it what it looks like.)
Right!Not only economics have this effect on people
But a little bit of ignorance,over/underestimation,misunderstanding AND a dose of ego can cause this pretty well too(Not referring to anyone in particular so no offence).As for duel mode I wouldn't think so.Fixed heroes and armies as well as everchanging abilities(master gremlins for instance) usually mean unbalanced situations on their own but since each duel hero is probably far from the ideal one for us so there is not much to prove by winning a few duels.
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ismail222
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The Cataclysm
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posted July 26, 2006 08:13 AM |
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ismail i'm sorry but your posts make me think you are not a very experienced player and I have no interest in playing you ...
say what u want ur gonna be sorry after u play with ur haven against any army i play with no inferno..
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ismail222
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The Cataclysm
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posted July 26, 2006 08:15 AM |
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All I can add to this already lengthly (although interesting) discussion is that Heroes V is VERY well balanced. (No one has said it before - am I the only one who thinks so?) Just look at all the different oppinions; "This IS much better.", "How can you say that That is good they suck ***!!1!", "No way, may xxx will pwn any yyyy any day!!!" and so on. To each his own has been said, right?
Well, I don't think the "best faction"-question has got a simple answer - the game is too well made in THIS aspect. (It has other flaws...)
PS. Would it be possible to "settle" this in Duel Mode? (=try out some theories.) Or is it unbalanced? (I've only tried it once, to see it what it looks like.)
yeah i see that the game is very well balanced 
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