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Doomforge
Admirable
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Retired Hero
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posted February 08, 2007 02:25 PM |
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yeah ofc everything takes care of evyrthing, too bad none sylvan player could even get those silver unicorns before it was over :X
but why we are talking about inferno? Go for Irina, M.Hunters will lie dead before they can even think about shooting 
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sq79
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posted February 08, 2007 02:29 PM |
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yeah ofc everything takes care of evyrthing, too bad none sylvan player could even get those silver unicorns before it was over :X
but why we are talking about inferno? Go for Irina, M.Hunters will lie dead before they can even think about shooting
To say inferno rushes sylvan, its more of deleb rushing sylvan and beating all factions in week 1,2 fights, nothing to do with inferno 
Your favourite map.. peninsula is a good way to see the difference, only she can clear everything on top including the shadow matriches on day 5, no other race/hero seems to manage it 
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TowerLord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted February 08, 2007 02:34 PM |
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wyngaal vs. deleb is a very map dependant duel ... wyngaal will always win the long games , and deleb has more chances in a rush situation.
any other sylvan hero vs. any other inferno hero, i think sylvan has more chances to victory ... inferno might win if the nightmares are positioned well ( so they can reach the dragons) and if they they strike with fear . also confusion/puppet master/frenzy on inferno's side and lack of cleansing on sylvan side might win the game for inferno.
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Sanyu
Known Hero
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posted February 08, 2007 02:49 PM |
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Thanks for all the possible methods. Neither have I lost with Inferno fighting any other faction before. But the ease of using the wyngaal strategy i just mentioned to defeat the AI Inferno on hard quite easily awakened me to the fact that any other real players can use that strategy.
of course all those counters you all have listed are great...
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Darkeye
Promising
Famous Hero
of the Deep
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posted February 08, 2007 02:55 PM |
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The stronges/weakest faction will alsways be depending on the map.
Sylvans are not so strong on random maps as on theme maps for instance. As an example, there is a scenario in the game where the sylvans are getting rid of elementals over the map. Here Avenger is xtremely useful, but of course that is the whole point of the map.
In the campaign when you play the sylvan faction and don't have access to a Sylvan town, it sucks since you can't avenge.
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Serpent2
Famous Hero
Overlord of Tililea
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posted February 10, 2007 11:46 PM |
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Will enybody help me on "Inferno Campeing: Mission 3: The Qonquest"
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Forgive my spelling!:<
[URL=http://www.ff-fan.com/chartest]Which Final Fantasy Characte... too long to display...
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nickkkk
Known Hero
Necro fan since 1988
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posted April 27, 2007 11:55 AM |
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I don't agree that there should be a faction weaker than another. It depends on the stile of each player. If one of you says that for example Fortress is a weak faction, maybe there is a player that is good with that castle. You are confident that if you chose Haven you will win, but what if the Fortress guy comes with 30 Magma Dragons? Those dragons rule .Despite it's speed it's the most destructive army in the game.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted April 27, 2007 12:01 PM |
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I don't agree that there should be a faction weaker than another. It depends on the stile of each player. If one of you says that for example Fortress is a weak faction, maybe there is a player that is good with that castle. You are confident that if you chose Haven you will win, but what if the Fortress guy comes with 30 Magma Dragons? Those dragons rule .Despite it's speed it's the most destructive army in the game.
30 magmas? How many months it takes to get that ammount?  4? By that time you'll face like 158 paladins, take care!
Be realistic dude, games never take that long. 3-6 weeks and it's over.
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nickkkk
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Necro fan since 1988
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posted April 27, 2007 12:08 PM |
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I don't agree that there should be a faction weaker than another. It depends on the stile of each player. If one of you says that for example Fortress is a weak faction, maybe there is a player that is good with that castle. You are confident that if you chose Haven you will win, but what if the Fortress guy comes with 30 Magma Dragons? Those dragons rule .Despite it's speed it's the most destructive army in the game.
30 magmas? How many months it takes to get that ammount? 4? By that time you'll face like 158 paladins, take care!
Be realistic dude, games never take that long. 3-6 weeks and it's over.
wanna bet that it could take that long. I won't finish a XL within 6 weeks, be serios. If the map is resourcess frenzy I can make the dragons in a mere 15 days.
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nickkkk
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Necro fan since 1988
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posted April 27, 2007 12:09 PM |
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Play the map called " A dance for two" and you will see what i mean
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted April 27, 2007 12:47 PM |
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Not only in that map, in any map if you can repel enemy rush or rushing your enemy but don't defeat him, this way the game will take much longer than it should be, it's a harder to do in smaller maps, but in very big maps, it's possible.
Also, in 1v1 maps, of course the game will finish early, but in a more than 4 player maps, will you rush your enemy? all players must be very careful in that maps, successful rush doesn't always means victory, because another player can backstab you. The downfall of that maps is that it takes too long to finish, it's often 1 days or 2 days, sometimes 3 days.
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nickkkk
Known Hero
Necro fan since 1988
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posted April 27, 2007 01:08 PM |
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Not only in that map, in any map if you can repel enemy rush or rushing your enemy but don't defeat him, this way the game will take much longer than it should be, it's a harder to do in smaller maps, but in very big maps, it's possible.
Also, in 1v1 maps, of course the game will finish early, but in ffa, will you rush your enemy? a player must be very careful in ffa maps, successful rush doesn't always means victory, because another player can backstab you. The downfall of ffa maps is that it takes too long to finish, it's often 1 days or 2 days, sometimes 3 days.
you took the words out of my mouth.  Glad someone understands. I was a fan of rushing towards enemies in H3 but in H5 I am depending on the money constructions and defensive towers ( citadel, castle). You no longer rush into battles like in Heroes3
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nickkkk
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Necro fan since 1988
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posted April 27, 2007 01:10 PM |
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I no longer rush into battles like in Heroes3, sorry for the mistake
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted April 27, 2007 01:21 PM |
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I understand your words, because i like playing maps with 4 players or 6 players, rushing here means instant leave from the game if i don't do careful scouting to all my enemies.
Therefore, the battle always occur as endgame battle where the lv 7 are about 10++, it's often 20, no secondary town here. Things that makes the battle occur so long is because many players wait for the right moments, because backstabed=instant leave, i'm not saying that i was backstabed by only 1 player, if only 1 player, it's okay, because i have my second castle to support me, however, ususally there is more than 1 player that want to backstab a rushing player, 1 player backstab your main town, and another backstab your new town will means instant defeat, your army already weakened at least 50% of their full power when you conquer your new town, then how can you face 2 player armies with 100% power, that's why, we must be very careful whether we want to attack another player or wait. Logistic skill help you to stealth unguarded enemy town if you're backstabed by two player. Worst if those two player are friends.
Also, there is a way to make the game longer than usual, even if it's little 1v1 maps, repel enemy rush or rush your enemy but don't make him leave the game.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted April 27, 2007 02:24 PM |
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You no longer rush into battles like in Heroes3
With all due respect sir, I beg to differ 
H5 metagame for some factions is extremely focused on rushes (dungeon, inferno), safe to say that even more than in h3. That's because factions are definitely not equal in early and late game. In earlygame, dungeon's destructive rushes are extremely hard to stop. In the lategame, haven becomes unstoppable. Now the question for 10000 bucks, I am dungeon, my opponent goes haven, what will I do?
a) Leave the game instantly
b) Rush
c) Turtle so he can gather 13857923947921 paladins and wash me away with a single attack?
d) Nice weather we have today, haven't we?
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nickkkk
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Necro fan since 1988
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posted April 27, 2007 04:32 PM |
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You no longer rush into battles like in Heroes3
With all due respect sir, I beg to differ
H5 metagame for some factions is extremely focused on rushes (dungeon, inferno), safe to say that even more than in h3. That's because factions are definitely not equal in early and late game. In earlygame, dungeon's destructive rushes are extremely hard to stop. In the lategame, haven becomes unstoppable. Now the question for 10000 bucks, I am dungeon, my opponent goes haven, what will I do?
a) Leave the game instantly
b) Rush
c) Turtle so he can gather 13857923947921 paladins and wash me away with a single attack?
d) Nice weather we have today, haven't we?
it's true. the dungeon creatures come in small numbers, but are strong, all of them. But when for example inferno comes with 1000000000000000000000000000 imps the dungeon hero pees on his dragon, or on whatever he sits on. When you have dungeon it's true, you have to rush, the same thing happened in the dungeon campaign when the rush was the key to victory, if you played them. Depends on the castle. you know that the fortress have improved walls and that construction when in battle 1k of defenders come to join the battle. Hard nut to crack.
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nickkkk
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Necro fan since 1988
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posted April 27, 2007 04:34 PM |
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i chose c) but take a look at what chaosdragon said. usually the AI wait for the perfect moment.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted April 27, 2007 04:37 PM |
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umm, I'm not talking 'bout AI, which is a bit dumb and very easy to beat :X
And rushing is never done with units, they are there because they have to be, the rush itself is based on either spells or ballista. :X
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nickkkk
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Necro fan since 1988
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posted April 27, 2007 04:45 PM |
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like I said before play the map called " A dance for two" and you will see what i mean, there you will see a heck of a AI. It crushed me, true i went in battle with 1453 Black dragons, but even if i didn't, he would still beat me. If you don't have the map call me. So to get through i Have to beat those dragons or three other armies: Hydras(600-1000), archangels (1000) and pit lords if i recall corectly the same numebers. So what do you do in this case.
P.S.: very little resources. In other maps it's true, the AI are dum, iplayed today a map and i finished it in 1h, because the AI got only to lvl 5 army, and I had 10 Archangels. No argument in that. But just try this map. I will finish it, butt not to soon. I played for three times and I got my ass kicked.
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted April 27, 2007 04:46 PM |
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Edited by Lesij at 16:51, 27 Apr 2007.
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Lol , Dud, Sylvan is one of THE BEST factions in the whole game ( I had played it at first, but then I decided to try another factions, and now came back to da rootz ).
Sylvan Dudus Just rulz same as Hunterz...
Try attacking Dudus, even alone- when u creep, and see what I mean .
Sprites- maybe not the best, but they have great init. and no retalation, and Spray Attack abilities, that make 'em very nice unites to strike and return with simply no casualities ...
Master Hunterz- They can nearly all the time Stun ur enemies with Wardin' Arrowz if u have Soldier's Luck, that makes 'em very nice tactical unite...
Silver Unicorn?
Great Offensive unite with Magic Ressistance Aura. If u place it in good position, all of ur troops will have chance to resist ANY magic attack :], also Blinding Attack is very usefull, cuz' if U have soldier's luck u usually get no retalation and hostile unite, U attacked have some problems with his seeing ...
Anicent Treant ( My fav )
strong defenisive unite, which also has some great special abilities (go to the Age Of Heroes and read 'bout it, cuz' I will bore u with writing 'bout that how he is fantastic)
Emerald Dragon...
That is funny, dud, if u don't find this unite usefull...
War Dancer
The one unite which has less use than otherz, but it is NOT useless. If u have a good situation u can use his combo, that allows him to attack everything what is close to him. That makes War Dancer great tactical unite...
And about racial ability? If u say it is crap- that means u just don't know how to use it so U are a newbie, not the otherz
The weakest faction 4 me?
Inferno. I have played it some time ago, but this town is kinda joke. It isn't difficult to play, but unites are so weird, that it is just hard to make interesting startegy with 'em and have real fun...
I have just got bored after two games won with Inferno...
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