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Ted
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posted January 27, 2007 09:38 PM |
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Necros now exceptionally powerful, must remember to kill them off early game, its a bit move forward (i think) for necro really, although as some1 said
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Slain cavaliers, paladins and champions should become death knights!!! 
Sounds fair to me 
in order to save space, they may not use this, but really only time will tell (tuesday)
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PhoenixReborn
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Unicorn
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posted January 27, 2007 09:41 PM |
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The easiest thing to do would just be to make a direct level correlation (i.e. druids make vamps, treants make wraiths). Level of necromancy ability determines how many total you can get, amount dark energy points determines how many specifically you can get. I think it's putting power into the hands of the necro player to determine what kind of army it wants.
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Shauku83
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posted January 27, 2007 10:10 PM |
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Ted, we were just joking about Death Knights.. of course they cannot be raised
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Ted
Promising
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Peanut Exterminator
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posted January 27, 2007 10:21 PM |
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you never said you were joking seems completly reasonable to me
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Doomforge
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posted January 28, 2007 09:39 AM |
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ya, we were joking bro.. can you imagine getting a unit with such an ridiculously overpowered halving special for free?
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PhoenixReborn
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Unicorn
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posted January 28, 2007 07:37 PM |
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Well Jolly Joker has been updating. It looks like it isn't immediately clear what becomes what.
Blood maidens might become skeletons, but blood furies zombies...or mages become liches (because they are spellcasters). After the battle you get a choice of what you want to spend your necromancy points on for example 11 ghost or 4 spectres. Any unused necromancy points are lost at the end of the week but you get full points back each week. He said that you can raise wraiths and spectral dragons, but obviously there's a high cost.
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dfortae
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posted January 28, 2007 08:48 PM |
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How do any of you know what is said is true? Does anyone have proof? This could just be a made up story (I hope not).
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted January 28, 2007 08:57 PM |
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Not JJ. He is pretty reliable and has never been wrong in what will come out. And he is the only one who I know to have a beta 2.1 patch at the moment.
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dfortae
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posted January 29, 2007 12:18 AM |
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Cool. I sure hope what he says comes out this week!
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted January 29, 2007 12:31 AM |
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So you're waiting for 1.5? I don't know about its time of release but it can't be too far ahead 
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dfortae
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posted January 29, 2007 03:27 AM |
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So you're waiting for 1.5? I don't know about its time of release but it can't be too far ahead
Ah, I didn't catch that 1.5 was a little ways off. I was thinking it was Monday. Actually, no, I have Hammers of Fate. Looks like the 2.1 for that is coming out Monday.
Thanks.
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FreshHope
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Defender of Light
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posted January 29, 2007 05:02 AM |
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Well Jolly Joker has been updating. It looks like it isn't immediately clear what becomes what.
Blood maidens might become skeletons, but blood furies zombies...or mages become liches (because they are spellcasters). After the battle you get a choice of what you want to spend your necromancy points on for example 11 ghost or 4 spectres. Any unused necromancy points are lost at the end of the week but you get full points back each week. He said that you can raise wraiths and spectral dragons, but obviously there's a high cost.
Hmm sounds very interesting. At least we're getting an assurance that the new necromancy mechanism wont tilt the balance. Cant want till this tuesday (which is night for me at time of release) 
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alcibiades
Honorable
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of Gold Dragons
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posted January 29, 2007 09:34 AM |
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Just a recap from CE forum:
Creature || Power|| Dark Energy cost
Skeleton --------54 -----2.16
Skeleton Archer -84 -----3.36
Zombie ----------105 ----4.2
Plague Zombies --150 ----6
Ghost -----------232 ----9.28
Spectre ---------312 ---12.48
Vampire ---------518 ---20.72
Vampire Lord ----739 ---29.56
Lich ------------1166 --46.64
ArchLich --------1518 --60.72
Wight -----------2180 --87.2
Wraith ----------2588 -103.52
Bone Dragon -----3174 -126.96
Spectral Dragon -3905 -156.2
25 XP = 1 DE point.
This means that 1 Skely will cost 2 DE points
10 Skely will cost 21 DE points
100 Skely will cost 216 DE points
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creature raise table
Academy
Gremlin ___________Skeleton Archer
Master Gremlin ____Skeleton Archer
Stone Gargoyle ____NONE
Obsidian Gargoyle__NONE
Iron Golem_________NONE
Steel Golem________NONE
Mage_______________Lich
Archmage___________ArchLich
Djinn _____________Wight
Djinn Sultan ______Wight
Rakshasa Rani _____Wraith
Rakshasa Raja _____Wraith
Colossus___________Wraith
Titan _____________Wraith
Haven
Peasant ___________Skeleton
Conscript__________Skeleton
Archer ____________Skeleton Archer
Marksman___________Skeleton Archer
Footman ___________Plague Zombies
Squire ____________Plague Zombies
Griffin ___________Ghost
Imperial Griffin___Spectre
Priest ____________Lich
Inquisitor_________ArchLich
Cavalier___________Vampire Lord
Paladin ___________Vampire Lord
Angel _____________NONE
Archangel__________NONE
Enforcer___________Skeleton
Crossbowman________Skeleton Archer
Vindicator_________Zombie
Battle Griffin_____Spectre
Zealot ____________ArchLich
Champion___________Vampire Lord
Fallen Angel_______NONE
Dungeon
Scout _____________Skeleton Archer
Assassin __________Skeleton Archer
Blood Maiden ______Skeleton
Blood Fury ________Skeleton
Minotaur __________Zombie
Minotaur Guard ____Plague Zombies
Dark Raider _______Vampire
Grim Raider _______Vampire
Hydra _____________Ghost
Deep Hydra ________Spectre
Shadow Witch ______ArchLich
Shadow Matriarch __ArchLich
Shadow Dragon _____Bone Dragon
Black Dragon ______Spectral Dragon
Inferno
Imp _______________Skeleton
Familiar __________Skeleton
Horned Demon ______Zombie
Horned Overseer ___Plague Zombies
Hell Hound ________Ghost
Cerberus __________Spectre
Succubus __________Vampire
Succubus Mistress _Vampire Lord
Hell Charger ______Spectre
Nightmare _________Spectre
Pit Fiend _________Wraith
Pit Lord __________Wraith
Devil _____________Wraith
Arch Devil ________Wraith
Neutral
Air Elemental _____NONE
Earth Elemental ___NONE
Water Elemental ___NONE
Fire Elemental ____NONE
Death Knight ______NONE
Phoenix ___________NONE
Wolf ______________Spectre
Mummy _____________NONE
Manticore _________Bone Dragon
Sylvan
Pixie _____________Ghost
Sprite ____________Spectre
Blade Dancer ______Skeleton
War Dancer ________Skeleton
Hunter ____________Skeleton Archer
Master Hunter _____Skeleton Archer
Druid _____________Lich
Druid Elder _______ArchLich
Unicorn ___________NONE
Silver Unicorn ____NONE
Treant ____________Wight
Ancient Treant ____Wraith
Green Dragon ______Bone Dragon
Emerald Dragon ____Spectral Dragon
:HoF: Fortress
Defender __________Plague Zombies
Stout Defender ____Plague Zombies
Axe Fighter _______Zombie
Axe Thrower _______Zombie
Bear Raider _______Ghost
Blackbear Raider __Spectre
Brawler ___________Vampire
Berserker _________Vampire Lord
Rune Mage _________ArchLich
Flame Mage ________ArchLich
Thane _____________Wraith
Warlord ___________Wraith
Fire Dragon _______NONE
Magma Dragon ______NONE
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Shauku83
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posted January 29, 2007 09:57 AM |
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I am a little uncomfortable with the amount of creatures that raise Wraiths, it seems that they will become the new powerstack, making the Harm Touch ability even more useless. There are more creatures turning into Wraiths that there are creatures turning into Skeletons!
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alcibiades
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of Gold Dragons
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posted January 29, 2007 10:03 AM |
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That is indeed remarkable - but considering that the creatures that will turn into Wraiths will be rarer and come in lower numbers (but with higher HP so that sort of evens out) and the fact that Wraiths cost a LOT of DE to raise - I hope it evens out a bit. I am, however, surprised how many creatures provide Wraiths rather than Vampires.
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Shauku83
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posted January 29, 2007 10:11 AM |
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It indeed might balance itself out, since level 6 & 7 stacks aren't common. Vampires come in second least numbers, only after Dragons... But that might be good, we have some bad memories from H4 when vampires become unbeatable...
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VokialBG
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First in line
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posted January 29, 2007 10:35 AM |
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Hmmmm  :
Academy
Rakshasa Rani _____Wraith ---Why Wraith?
Titan _____________Wraith --- ?! ()
Dungeon
Blood Maiden ______Skeleton --- Why not Zombie?
Blood Fury ________Skeleton --- Why not Plague Zombies?
Dark Raider _______Vampire --- OK
Grim Raider _______Vampire --- Why Vampire? Why not Vampire LORD?
Inferno
Arch Devil ________Wraith - huh?!
Sylvan
Unicorn ___________NONE - ok for the angel, he cant become undead, but why the Unicorn?
:HoF: Fortress
Defender __________Plague Zombies - Why not skeleton?
Axe Fighter _______Zombie - Why not Skeleton Archer?
About the:
Skeleton --------54 -----2.16
Skeleton Archer -84 -----3.36 --- you can riese 100 skels per week, not bad
Zombie ----------105 ----4.2
Plague Zombies --150 ----6 --- hmmm, too much for weak unit like the zombie
Ghost -----------232 ----9.28
Spectre ---------312 ---12.48 --- agree here
Vampire ---------518 ---20.72
Vampire Lord ----739 ---29.56 --- ok the lichs are very expensive, the Spectres, and the Zombies are weak, this is the best choice --- to rise vampires
Lich ------------1166 --46.64
ArchLich --------1518 --60.72 --- expensive, but I agree here
Wight -----------2180 --87.2
Wraith ----------2588 -103.52 --- Hmmm no comments
Bone Dragon -----3174 -126.96
Spectral Dragon -3905 -156.2 --- very expensive!!!
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Shauku83
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posted January 29, 2007 10:45 AM |
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I understand somewhat their logic behing the weird creature choises. Wraiths are more of a spirits, without a "heavy" body, so all creatures like Genies and Rakshasas fall into that category. Titans have animated bodies, but they have the spirit inside of them...
But why couldn't Rakshasa Rani become Wight? Pit Fiend could be as well, and Thane. Those would be my choises...
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alcibiades
Honorable
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of Gold Dragons
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posted January 29, 2007 11:39 AM |
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Vokial > The DE costs are simply based on creature power rating alone. I think that's a reasonable approach, as long as Power Rating is justified, which it is in most cases.
DE = Power / 25
Here's a little something for the chat-a-holics:
For the statistics interested, I can provide the following:
Numbers of creatures that provide:
Skeletons: 9
Skeleton Archers: 9
Zombies: 5
Plague Zombies: 6
Ghosts: 5
Spectres: 9
Vampires: 4
Vampire Lords: 5
Liches: 3
Archliches: 8
Wights: 3
Wraiths: 11
Bone Dragons: 3
Spectral Dragons: 2
There seems to be a big over-representation of Wraiths, which probably comes from the fact that many level 7 creatures provide Wraiths (which is fair) but also several un-upgraded level 6 creatures provide Wraiths (Pit Fiends, Rakshasa Rani, Thanes) which maybe should be changed to Wights.
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted January 29, 2007 12:59 PM |
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Thank you SO much! Great chart! 
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