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The_Gootch
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posted July 01, 2007 09:33 PM |
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Top 2 Hero of each town.
There has got to be a consensus for the 2 best non campaign heroes from each town. I'd like to compile a list so when I play my friends I know which ones to go for. For all intents and purposes Wyngaal won't be included for Sylvan.
This is who I've compiled thus far. If I'm wrong present a good argument and if there's agreement I'll change it.
Inferno
Deleb
Grok(wonder why Alastor's fallen out of favor)
Too bad you can't teach Galib to gate...would solve a lot of problems.
Dungeon
Kythra
Yrwanna
Academy
Havez
Nur
Fortress
Ingvar
Helmar
Don't get me wrong. I won't kick Karli out of my tavern for eating crackers. Ingvar makes castle defense VERY scary and Helmar is just a clear cut favorite.
Necropolis
Naadir
Lucretia
Sylvan
Ossir
Wyngaal
Haven
Maeve
Vittorio
Klaus seems a bit of overkill on one unit. There is such a thing as TOO much damage, isn't there?
Stronghold
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Doomforge
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posted July 01, 2007 09:57 PM |
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Wyngaal's bug has been fixed. You can add him to the list without hesitation.
For dungeon, haven and possibly necropolis, most of the heroes are useful. For inferno, there is deleb, than a big gap, and then the rest. For academy, it's Nur or Havez. Sylvan is good with ossir and wyngaal.
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The_Gootch
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posted July 01, 2007 10:12 PM |
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Quote: Wyngaal's bug has been fixed. You can add him to the list without hesitation.
For dungeon, haven and possibly necropolis, most of the heroes are useful. For inferno, there is deleb, than a big gap, and then the rest. For academy, it's Nur or Havez. Sylvan is good with ossir and wyngaal.
Roger that. Sanyu made raised an interesting argument for starting with Grawl and effective creeping with the hounds. I'm pretty pissed about his destructive magic though..what a waste without spell power. Grok and tele assault seems the next strongest. I've tried Jezebeth but what frustrates me is not being able to get succubi week one. Inferno seems way hampered because of it.
Havez or Nur or Jhora? Love creeping and War Machines. Love Nur's endless supply of mana. Tough one. Who would you bring to a final battle?
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Doomforge
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posted July 01, 2007 10:17 PM |
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for the final one? Havez, probably, but only if he could get flaming arrows.
As for inferno, Grok and Nebiros are good, although obviously nowhere close to Deleb. Grawl, no matter how cool he is, simply sucks.
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sdfx
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posted July 01, 2007 10:41 PM |
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Inferno - Deleb, Grok
Dungeon - Yrwanna, Sintar
Academy - Havez, Nur
Fortress - Ingvar, Helmar
Necropolis - Naadir, Zoltan
Sylvan - (Wyngaal), Ossir, Anwen
Haven - Maeve, Klaus
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emilsn
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posted July 01, 2007 10:56 PM |
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I must say I Enjoy playing with Jezebeth - For me the best thing about Inferno is the Succubuses and having Jezebeth makes them stronger which I enjoy. The only problem is, i never learned playing with Inferno so I have no idea what skills suit these flaming guys, except all gating skills(Swarming gating, Swift gating)
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nebdar
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posted July 01, 2007 11:06 PM |
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Haven:Irina(early Battle Dive), Vittorio
Inferno: Deleb, Grok
Necropolis: Kaspar, Lucretia
Sylvan:Ylthin, Ossir
Dungeon:Lethos, Sinitar
Academy:Ihora, Raazak
Fortress:Brand, Helmar
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dodokilla
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posted July 01, 2007 11:14 PM |
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Hmm hereīs my opinions.
Inferno:
Deleb-Very strong in early game and therefore also strong overall.
Grok- Starts with a level 4 spell and can cast it with half mana points. Logistics is a very important skill for Inferno overall.
Dungeon:
Yrwanna-Enlightenment and intelligence are very important skills for warlock. The bonus for Furies plus the staring stack, also helps alot.
Sinitar- His speciality can be good sometimes, but what really makes him shine is the starting skills and the eldrich arrow.
Nekropolis:
Deirdre- Starts with dark magic wich you probably wish to have and her speciality is pretty good both in early and in late game.
Zoltan:His special doesnīt help for creeping but you wonīt have problem with that anyway. Enlightenment helps nekros alot and on a 1 vs 1 town map most Warlock crack their pants when meeting with Zoltan
Fortress
Ingmar- Not much too say. This guy will last forever.I see forward to that day when TOE comes out and give Ingvar a legion of Stonedefenders.
Karli-I pick this guy over Helmar any day of the week. Soldiers luck is perferct for this faction, you donīt have to buy ammo cart and early creeping gets alot easier wich is crucial for this resource demanding faction.
Haven:
Vittorio- Great starter and his ballista will be very potent even in most late games too.
Maeve-Thereīs alot of great knights but I really like Maeve. Light magic and leadership is great skills for Haven and her speciality really get you an extra edge over the enemy.
Academy:
Havez-Heīs starting skills and specialitys screams rush! And thatīs where both Havez and Academy really shines.
Nur-Looking for those sometimes rare magic wells? Donīt worry! Nur can rush on every map and on every difficulty. The starting eldrich arrow is also very good for that purpose.
Sylvan:
Ossir- Starts with luck and some hunters. And i short words that is the core of the Sylvan strategy...
Wyngaal- The first moves i a combat is often the moves that decides itīs outcome, and wyngaals specialty often helps you with that goal
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alcibiades
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posted July 02, 2007 01:07 AM |
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Hmmm ... topic is also pretty well covered in this thread.
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The_Gootch
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posted July 02, 2007 01:57 AM |
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Good point Alc. However, I don't think this is a case of beating a dead horse. The thread in the link you provided started a year ago. In that time tactics, strategies, and appreciation for nuances have been refined.
Heroes 3 might be a beat and dead horse but I think there's still a lot of room for discussion for the two best heroes of each faction. If you want to draw an analogy think of when Heroes III first came out. The 'zomg Solmyr rox!!11' crowd came out in droves and persisted for the next several years. At first Solmyr did rock. Now he doesn't.
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dschingi
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posted July 02, 2007 09:44 AM |
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Academy
I'm for Nur and Havez here, too. Nur's special combined with her mana regeneration ability makes it easy not to run out of mana even in early game. Havez obviously comes with a high number of gremlins and war machines are nice for creeping, though for longer games I would prefer Nur.
Sylvan
(without Wyngaal)
Ossir: He has got a nice starting army and skills&special are fine, too.
Ylthin: Starting with light is nice, and a unicorn along with a first aid tent isn't bad either
btw wyngaal's bug is only fixed in 1.5; if you play 2.1 the bug is still there.
Fortress
I recommend Karli, mainly because he starts with luck and soldier's luck. Getting more "crippling wounds" from the skirmishers is very useful and he also starts with a decent number of them and ammo cart which is quite nice because of their low shot number. Later solder's luck helps the black bear riders score a paw strike almost everytime, that and the crippling wound makes creeping a lot easier
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emilsn
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posted July 02, 2007 10:03 AM |
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Hmm... !! - Fortress: Sadly, there are 4 good heroes here. But the best must be Helmar(Cannot discuss that! He rocks!), the 3 others are Ingvar, Karli and Ebba... Those 4 are the elite of the dwarf heroes... And the others can be made good... But I would say: Helmar and Ingvar take the lead.. And karli Ebba share a 3rd place
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radar
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posted July 02, 2007 10:25 AM |
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I dont believe anyone haven't typed Dougal.
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alcibiades
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posted July 02, 2007 10:46 AM |
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Quote: Good point Alc. However, I don't think this is a case of beating a dead horse. The thread in the link you provided started a year ago. In that time tactics, strategies, and appreciation for nuances have been refined.
Heroes 3 might be a beat and dead horse but I think there's still a lot of room for discussion for the two best heroes of each faction. If you want to draw an analogy think of when Heroes III first came out. The 'zomg Solmyr rox!!11' crowd came out in droves and persisted for the next several years. At first Solmyr did rock. Now he doesn't.
Agreed. There was a reason I didn't lock up the thread.
By the way one probably have to add Nur among the Wizards, because she seems to be the favored hero for MMR. At least, so I heard.
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sdfx
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posted July 02, 2007 10:55 AM |
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IMO, Dougal is 3rd.
We can look at fortress heroes this way: battle begins, cast mass haste and..
23 level Ingvar -> +12 attack, +12 defense,+~50% more HP to 1 weak stack
23 level Ebba -> +12 attack, +12 defense to 1 medicore stack.
23 level Karli -> +12 attack, +12 defense to 1 weak stack.
23 level Helmar -> each stack has 89% chance for +12 attack.
So, generally Helmar + preparation rules. Defend button that allows striking *before* the attacker with +12 attack(*luck) is pretty sick..
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ismail222
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posted July 02, 2007 11:02 AM |
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Necropolis
Zoltan-Vladimir
Dungeon
Sinitar-Yrwanna
Haven
Irina-Klaus
Sylvan
Wyngaal-Ossir
Inferno
Deleb-Grok
Academy
Nathir-Nur
Fortress
Helmar-?
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sdfx
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posted July 07, 2007 05:33 PM |
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Quote: Klaus seems a bit of overkill on one unit. There is such a thing as TOO much damage, isn't there?
Not against Sylvan or Fortress(runemage = rune of resurrection abuser) Also, they won't overkill if they are split into 2 or maybe 3 stacks.
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Orfinn
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posted July 07, 2007 05:42 PM |
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Quote: Hmm... !! - Fortress: Sadly, there are 4 good heroes here. But the best must be Helmar(Cannot discuss that! He rocks!), the 3 others are Ingvar, Karli and Ebba... Those 4 are the elite of the dwarf heroes... And the others can be made good... But I would say: Helmar and Ingvar take the lead.. And karli Ebba share a 3rd place
Inga aint bad either with that lightning ability, similar to the ability the warlocks have, iressistible magic She could easly zap Zap Brannigan
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Azagal
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posted July 07, 2007 07:17 PM |
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Quote: Grawl, no matter how cool he is, simply sucks.
Sorry but he isn't as bad as you say he is. Ok destruction on a Demonlord is a total waste because of the lack of SP we all know that BUT the important thing is that he has easy acess to the searing flames ability (the one that makes hellfire more potent) and this is really a big help in the begining. So it would not say he sucks he's actually pretty good
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The_Gootch
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posted July 19, 2007 08:17 PM |
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I've tried thrice on two different maps to start with Maeve. But she doesn't show. The hell is this?~!
And who are the funny guys who recommended her? Did I just get hit with the ol' alt+f4 fixes everything joke?
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