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posted January 05, 2008 10:53 PM
Edited by angelito at 22:55, 05 Jan 2008.

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Where did all the things of the IRA take place? Where did all the things of the ETA took place?
They took place in the territory they wanted.
How many attacks of the ETA outside of Spain u have knowledge of? How many attacks of the IRA outside of Ireland/northern Ireland you have knowledege of?
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Both did terrorist acts in the past, no doubt.
But compare their motivation with the suicide bombers we have nowadays. Can you really compare?
The Irish were oppressed for a long time. The Basques were oppressed for a long time. The Muslim world is being oppressed right now. Very similar motivations.
By whom? Isn't it the other way around?
Just some short lines to remember:
"Every man who is a non-believer shall die!"
"Freedom of speech" (danish cartoon)
"We kill in the name of Allah!"
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Nonetheless the line "Muslims are terrorists" is completely wrong of course. But if u turn it around, it becomes more true, right?
-->Terrorists are muslims. (lately)
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posted January 06, 2008 12:54 AM
Edited by mvassilev at 15:42, 06 Jan 2008.

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I may be wrong here, but I always thought that the Irish and the Basques fought for independance. On the other hand the Muslim countries are not a part of USA or any other Western country, strongly affected by them - true, but still independant (Iraq aside, because the terrorist act began before the occupation of Iraq).
Yes, but many Muslim countries were under very strong Western influence or even rulled by puppets (the Shah, for example).

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So what if the western powers say Isreal is there and they say isreal isnt there? its by far too late now.
Of course. But the creation of Israel is the problem. We can't turn back the clock now, of course, but we made enemies with our decision.

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In the end, Muslim world is being opressed because its acting idiotically and negatively, Like a child that thinks screaming for a candy is better then being quiet and asking nicely.
To make your analogy more accurate, that child has been abused by the Western powers, and his candy has been taken away from him.

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Where did all the things of the IRA take place? Where did all the things of the ETA took place?
They took place in the territory they wanted.
How many attacks of the ETA outside of Spain u have knowledge of? How many attacks of the IRA outside of Ireland/northern Ireland you have knowledege of?

The US-radical Muslim comment is on a far larger scale than the other two conflicts. So it spills over.

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Both did terrorist acts in the past, no doubt.
But compare their motivation with the suicide bombers we have nowadays. Can you really compare?
The Irish were oppressed for a long time. The Basques were oppressed for a long time. The Muslim world is being oppressed right now. Very similar motivations.
By whom? Isn't it the other way around?
Of course, the radicals are being oppressive to their own people. But that's not what we're talking about. The US is oppressing the Muslim world. The radicals are just fighting back.

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Just some short lines to remember:
"Every man who is a non-believer shall die!"
"Freedom of speech" (danish cartoon)
"We kill in the name of Allah!"
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The radicals are acting violently because they have to. If they came and asked nicely, do you think that anything would change?
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posted January 06, 2008 01:31 AM

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To make your analogy more accurate, that child has been abused by the Western powers, and his candy has been taken away from him.

As a result yes, But i basically mean that when isreal was made they should have accepted it, They didnt, they got a bad reputation as a result (everyone thinking the child is spoiled) the child refusing to accept the fact that he/she has lost goes into a rage and keeps screaming despite the fact that it obviously wont help it , and when that happens, it admittedly becomes abussed on an unfair scale, despite that he/she has noone to blame but him/herself for it to have come to the point in the first place, and should compromise before any chance of sharing the candy will fade to nothing

But lets not push an analogy too far. It gets confusing. But basically you could say that while the western powers are technically more powerful, its the arabs in control, they have the power to decide how the war ends, By doing nothing, they will remove the american forces in no time at all. By being stupid and using aggresive tactics, they dig the hole deeper for themselves. But noone will let the western powers do too much, and its only a matter of time until all the forces are gone anyway , But they risk air-strikes against them at the least if they keep terrorizing as they are.
But this thread is becoming "attack Iraq" all over again . But basically if the muslims cant control the terrorists, the terrorists will control the fate of the muslims.
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posted January 06, 2008 12:04 PM

Isn't the whole Israel / Palestina conflict based on the religious retardism that they both see Jeruzalem as some sort of holy sacred uber-place that somehow would make their whole lives insanely splendid if it happened to be the capital of their country, and both think it is worth killing so much for?

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posted January 06, 2008 12:35 PM

that might be the start of the conflict but not anymore.
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posted January 06, 2008 01:46 PM

Nonetheless the line "Muslims are terrorists" is completely wrong of course. But if u turn it around, it becomes more true, right?
-->Terrorists are muslims. (lately)



You still act racistic and you spoil the reality.You make everyone guilty and not caring of if they are innocent.Are all germans nazis because they were some nazis in their lands in 1932 or 1939?

Your appeals are delusive and next time please write correctly because you act like a racist.

If you were a criminal does that mean also your parents,sisters and brothers were?
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posted January 06, 2008 02:05 PM

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germans nazis because they were some nazis in their lands in 1932 or 1939?


No, but all (or most) nazis of that time were germans.
Please notice the logic patterns here: A -> B doesn not equal B -> A.
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posted January 06, 2008 02:41 PM

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You still act racistic and you spoil the reality.You make everyone guilty and not caring of if they are innocent.Are all germans nazis because they were some nazis in their lands in 1932 or 1939?

Your appeals are delusive and next time please write correctly because you act like a racist.

If you were a criminal does that mean also your parents,sisters and brothers were?
I would strongly recommend to stop calling me a racist, otherwise you will get in trouble here. If you are not able to read the post in a correct manner, you should just stop reacting on it.

One last time for YOU only:

All Muslims are terrorists = wrong
All germans are nazis = wrong

Terrorists are mostly muslims (lately!!) = true
Nazis are mostly germans (at that time!!) = true

If you do not get the difference here, I can't help ya.
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posted January 06, 2008 02:52 PM

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The radicals are acting violently because they have to. If they came and asked nicely, do you think that anything would change?
Maybe we look onto that issue from different views. If an iraqui newspaper posts a picture where the pope rides on a pig, would any "normal" christian ask for death penalty? The way I see it is, the majority of the muslims have their religion in the centre of their life. Nothing is more important. Not even basic human rights are more important than the koran. Like it was in christianity and the bible 500 years ago. But nowadays, most of the christians don't put everything away when it comes to the bible. They believe, but they still follow common laws and common sense.
That's the main difference in my eyes.
Would a catholic father kill his daughter because she got raped? A muslimic father would probably do coz the koran allows him to. The daughter hurted the honor of the family by getting raped. I know this sounds weird, but happened already several times here in germany in turkish families. And every time they pointed at the koran when defending themselves in the court.
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posted January 06, 2008 03:48 PM
Edited by mvassilev at 15:49, 06 Jan 2008.

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To make your analogy more accurate, that child has been abused by the Western powers, and his candy has been taken away from him.

As a result yes, But i basically mean that when isreal was made they should have accepted it,
If someone took your house from you, should you accept it?

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But basically you could say that while the western powers are technically more powerful, its the arabs in control, they have the power to decide how the war ends,
The Western powers interfered in the Muslims' affairs. Now the Arabs are trying to get control of their own countries.

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If an iraqui newspaper posts a picture where the pope rides on a pig, would any "normal" christian ask for death penalty?
Do you think that "normal" Muslims asked for the death penalty after the Danish cartoon?

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The way I see it is, the majority of the muslims have their religion in the centre of their life. Nothing is more important. Not even basic human rights are more important than the koran. Like it was in christianity and the bible 500 years ago. But nowadays, most of the christians don't put everything away when it comes to the bible. They believe, but they still follow common laws and common sense.
I doubt that the ratio of radical Muslims to all Muslims is much greater than the ratio of radical Christians to all Christians.
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posted January 06, 2008 03:52 PM
Edited by Vidoja at 15:56, 06 Jan 2008.

First of all, lets get one thing straigt. I don't hate Muslims. I have nothing against the people. I didn't say anything because I hate them. This that I posted in my thred is fact. It is! I didn't make that up, it is as it is. I would have so much liked that we could be proud on our south neighbours, Albanians. But, we can't. It is nothing against the Muslim people.
Let's get one thing straight:
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Suggests that Serbians don't retaliate in kind to the attacks by Albanian terrorist groups.
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We don't! Our whole millitary and goverment rule in Kosovo was forced to go away by USA. You don't know much about this event, so please don't mix in something you don't know.

Just because I said something that is true, you go saying: ''Comparing them to Nazi...''. Yes, they colaborated with the Nazi, and that is also fact. The Albanian terrorists in Kosovo are terrorists. I did't say the enire Muslim people is!

Anti-Muslim activity? By me? Please... I just stated facts. And I never offended the Muslim people by something they didn't do. I stated the facts in that thread to show how some people take someone elses territory, first by cleansing them out, and than the forces of the world sit around doing nothing about it (exept Russia, God bless you!). Anti-Serb activity has been going around in the last 20 years and nobody did anything to change that. And stating facts that were, makes something anti-Muslim. Please............
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posted January 06, 2008 03:55 PM

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]I doubt that the ratio of radical Muslims to all Muslims is much greater than the ratio of radical Christians to all Christians.
I hope u meant this as a joke. Or can u name any radical christian actions the last 10 years?...in opposit to the hundreds of attacks caused by muslim groups...
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posted January 06, 2008 03:59 PM

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If someone took your house from you, should you accept it?

Maybe i would try and negotiatie, If that didnt work i wouldnt try the modern-day equivalant of charging on a horse to impale myself on some pikes. Better quarter of a house then no house, and its better to live with no house then to die with noone having one.

But its the wrong argument honestly, Theyre obviouslyGaining absoloutly nothing except hatred by opposing isreal, yeah they tried wars, they tried terrorisim and they tried declaring that they think isreal doesnt exist, All its gotten them for theirs pains is death on both sides and people thinking theyre evil. Its time for them to put the bombs down and do nothing, they will be rewarded for it by isreal and the western powers having no excuse to attack.

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The Western powers interfered in the Muslims' affairs. Now the Arabs are trying to get control of their own countries


They interfered because they interfered and keep interfering because they did etc, Its an endless loop. But i think that theres only one side that can break it, the other cant ignore being repeatedly bombed with loss of civilian life. It would help nothing is isreal and the western powers ignored them, they would still attack, its them that have to stop attacking.
Yes, The attacks are more severe because of western intervention, But theyre not only there because of it.
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posted January 06, 2008 07:13 PM

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I agree, Muslims are NOT terrorist, they are however very limited in acceptance of other cultures, thoughts and sexual preferances.

And of course the roles of women are highly non-acceptable in those countries, women may NOT drive a car, while men may marry several women.
This is discrimination in their own culture (and they don't even get that.)


only in some countries!

Yemen, Iran, Oman and similar countries are in fact very liberal with their Muslim identity. Iran is actually one of the more liberal countries in the middle east, and most of their people can't wait to get amardinajhad out, because all he is doing is political saber rattling. Iran is far more relaxed about acceptancing cultures, thoughts and sexual preferances (they still are a bit iffy about gay marriages).

the only ones we hear about are the nut jobs! people like Osama bin Laden are always grabbing the head lines, making us lead to the assumption that all of them are like that. nothing could be further from the truth

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But same can be said about extreme religious Americans like Mike Huckabee of course.


your right, but again, it is only limited to a small degree of people.
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posted January 06, 2008 07:18 PM

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]I doubt that the ratio of radical Muslims to all Muslims is much greater than the ratio of radical Christians to all Christians.
I hope u meant this as a joke. Or can u name any radical christian actions the last 10 years?...in opposit to the hundreds of attacks caused by muslim groups...
I know of one that christian cult in ... I think it was Russland ... who took children and people who didn't want to come into a cave and kept them there, since they thought doomsday were close by
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posted January 06, 2008 07:30 PM
Edited by mvassilev at 19:31, 06 Jan 2008.

That and the bombings in Northern Ireland.

Vidoja:
What do you think Miloshevich did?

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Better quarter of a house then no house, and its better to live with no house then to die with noone having one.
I really doubt you would actually act that way if you lost your house.

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Its time for them to put the bombs down and do nothing, they will be rewarded for it by isreal and the western powers having no excuse to attack.
Wouldn't it be nice if the world actually worked that way? But it doesn't. The Muslim world has something the Western world wants: oil. And they've been oppressed for it. If they don't defend themselves, then the Western powers will walk all over them, just like pre-1912 China.
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posted January 06, 2008 07:36 PM

So u can name ONE terror act in chetchenya in a school, and a few (last 10 years!) bombings in Northern Ireland.
Let's start to list all muslim related terror acts in between the last 10 years?

No comparison in my eyes......
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posted January 06, 2008 07:48 PM

How can you discuss this?!
The differnts between a Terrorist and a Freedome fighter is preception.
Both are not leggit however.
An extramist of religion or fanatic can also be alright,humenly speaking,unless he has blood on hes hands.
No Murder is justified,does not matters the motives. A way of speaking ,a way of settling by words is sufficent enought.
Did israel did not had jewish terrorist? yes it did..
Let me tell you a story.. during 47-48,in israel indepdence war,israel specile commando squad raided an unarmed villiage and masquard it all,as a revenge act.
250 men,woman and childern ware executed that day.
What happend? they ware punished,expelled and setence to prison.

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posted January 06, 2008 08:01 PM

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So u can name ONE terror act in chetchenya in a school, and a few (last 10 years!) bombings in Northern Ireland.
Let's start to list all muslim related terror acts in between the last 10 years?
Northern Ireland has quieted down lately. But if you look at acts of terrorism in the last 100 years, you would see a different picture. Certainly the radical Muslims have committed many acts of terrorism, but their motivation is not much different than that of other, non-Muslim, terrorist groups.
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posted January 06, 2008 08:05 PM

If you look over the last 100 years it's the christians that are the "bad guys" ... with Hitler and those guys.
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