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Warmonger
Warmonger


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fallen artist
posted July 14, 2008 08:13 PM

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It's just a game

It's a hard work of someone who just wants you to have better game experience.

Of course the NCF creatures should not be altered in any way without asking for author's permission. It may be funy to give them creatures tons of overpowered abilities, but don't abuse copyrights for your 'own' projects.

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Disturbed-Gnu
Disturbed-Gnu


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posted July 15, 2008 04:33 PM

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the author don't have the only permission to edit his creatures! Every one is allowed to do that!
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Yea it's shocking! But people should show you some respect for your great mods! (The best creatures actually)
They don't need to ask for permission, but they should do it for showing you that they like your mod!

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It's a hard work of someone who just wants you to have better game experience.

Yes, i know, and people should show the respect, but they doesn't have to if they don't whant to do it!

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Cleave
Cleave


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Raging Blood
posted July 15, 2008 05:15 PM
Edited by Cleave at 17:17, 15 Jul 2008.

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Yes, i know, and people should show the respect, but they doesn't have to if they don't whant to do it!


That's complete and utter BS. Very disturbing if you don't mind my saying so, Disturbed Gnu.

You HAVE TO respect another modder's work, especially if you are a modder yourself.

What if I decided to use Simonak's RMG and change a few features myself just to upload it. I could go as far as giving credit to the original maker of the MOD but it wouldn't alter the fact that I wouldn't have made the mod myself.

Clearly, by not only using but editing Radar's creatures, Simonak has been disrespectful. That's my take on this topic. Whether one can argue about copyright or not is moot.

If you use a modder's work and alter it (to make it 'better'), you should at the very least ask the person who made the mod for permission first.

But that's just my opinion and there's no point debating this with people who can't see what's wrong about using somebody's mod like that.
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Asheera
Asheera


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Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
posted July 15, 2008 05:22 PM

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If you use a modder's work and alter it (to make it 'better'), you should at the very least ask the person who made the mod for permission first.
Especially if you release it!
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Disturbed-Gnu
Disturbed-Gnu


Supreme Hero
Pro Bacon Vodka Brewer
posted July 15, 2008 05:47 PM

I'm not saying what you should and shouldn't! all i'm saying is that there are no laws that say you can't steal a mod and make some changes and then release it!

But if i would make something on another authors mod i would ask first, or don't release it!

But you can't require that people ask first!

(I changed one Texture in Fauch's mod, and i'll keep it for my self! Because if i should share it with you, i would ask him first!)

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pause
pause


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posted July 15, 2008 06:01 PM
Edited by pause at 18:15, 15 Jul 2008.

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Disturbed-Gnu Said:
Yes, i know, and people should show the respect, but they doesn't have to if they don't whant to do it!

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Cleave Said:
That's complete and utter BS. Very disturbing if you don't mind my saying so, Disturbed Gnu.

You HAVE TO respect another modder's work, especially if you are a modder yourself.



I think Gnu's point here isn't so much that you do or don't have to, but that we have the ability to.. just as Hitler shouldn't have started a war and killed millions of people.. but he did anyway


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@Everyone:

I think we have made it clear, ask the modder his/her permission if you want to use their work.  It makes sense that permission should be asked first, and then if someone doesn't want their work put into someone-else's project, that it just be left out; but at the same time, it is a shame to see parts of the community's work left out of where it could be showcased.

This project is a very big contribution to the community. In this case, personally, I look forward to the full version of the generator, I haven't been satisfied with any of the random maps output by the stock generators, since H2.  So, being that this thread is for glitches in the RTMG Beta, I think it might be best that we put our egos aside, and deal with those glitches.

If some of us don't want our work included, it might be best to just say that, and lets move on.

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Fauch
Fauch


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posted July 15, 2008 06:15 PM

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(I changed one Texture in Fauch's mod, and i'll keep it for my self! Because if i should share it with you, i would ask him first!)


what?!? AAARGLL!!!!!!!
hem, which texture?

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Disturbed-Gnu
Disturbed-Gnu


Supreme Hero
Pro Bacon Vodka Brewer
posted July 15, 2008 06:55 PM

You know! The Guardian Angel! But only the texture
You have seen the picture of it..?


(btw, that doesn't change the mod anyway)


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radar
radar


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Castle/Haven player
posted July 15, 2008 07:02 PM

would look better with the original, white AA's wings
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Disturbed-Gnu
Disturbed-Gnu


Supreme Hero
Pro Bacon Vodka Brewer
posted July 15, 2008 09:00 PM

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would look better with the original, white AA's wings

Like Fauch's wings They are white..

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SimonaK
SimonaK


Promising
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posted July 15, 2008 10:55 PM
Edited by SimonaK at 04:59, 16 Jul 2008.

RTMG's philosophy about NCF Creatures.


Hello Everybody,

First, I would like that everyone understands that I never wanted to miss respect towards any creators
(including NCF Creators)

I have a lot of respect for any works from anybody.

I think that all, work together, with a single aim to improve Heroes V gameplay.

RTMG has several parts.

A part is the adding of new objects.

Like everybody knows, RTMG adds in maps, objects that H5's RMG doesn't add.

(magic well, tear of asha, obelisk, stable etc etc etc)

for RTMG, a NCF creature is just another AdvMapObject like others objects.

A principal aim of RTMG is precisely the adding of new objects,

It is thus completely normal for it to add all NCF creatures as of moment it makes its appearance in the game.

Why to create a NCF creature and to prohibit its addition in the RTMG which has the goal to add the new objects?

RTMG has not discrimation concerning NCF Creatures: New NCF creature means for RTMG, new object to add into.

Ya, I modified a little few stats for a little few NCF Creature...but I made it because after few playing tests
I found that this modifications has required. And not to miss respect for his creator.

Exemple: I modified SunWarrior's stats et capacities, because I very love this NCF creature and it is Great!
or I modified creatures's stats because while playing with them, they showed they were too weak.

Adding Dwelling?

ya! Adding Dwelling... a NCF Creature must have a dwelling...like others neutral creatures...

Except for Fauch's Creatures...his 56 creatures don't need dwelling because they are upgrade ones

Only Base grade NCF Creature must have dwelling.


Moreover, I cannot understand that a creator does not want to see evolving/moving his creature in the RTMG.

RTMG is better than H5's RMG to incorporate NCF creatures in maps

Radar, I modified Enchanter by adding ABILITY_PIERCING_ARROW capacity to him....

I'm deeply sorry if you see this modification like a miss of respect to you

but it's far to be that.

I repeat: I have a lot of respect for any works from anybody and specially for NCF Creators.

and I repeat too: I don't rob author's credits

A proof is that I give myself much effort to incorporate NCF creatures in RTMG.

Since the beginning of RTMG's development, I always informed that  NCF creatures would be added there.

I invite you to read my different topics about RTMG's development in French and English:

http://www.archangelcastle.com/acforum/viewtopic.php?t=5451

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=26064

So, RTMG has the aim to add in map all new objects including NCF Creatures.

And if the creator doesn't make a dwelling for his base creature (no upgrade creature),
I will have unfortunately to do it in his place.

If I will be a creator, I will be glad to know that my creature will be automatically add in RTMG

RTMG serves everyone.

I'm not interested to be considered as a NCF creator

I'm not a NCF Creator.


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radar
radar


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Castle/Haven player
posted July 16, 2008 08:10 AM

pff just don't put my ncfs there, stop moaning & everyone's happy
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Disturbed-Gnu
Disturbed-Gnu


Supreme Hero
Pro Bacon Vodka Brewer
posted July 16, 2008 04:33 PM

OMG!? I still don't understand why Radar doesn't whant he's NCF's in this project!
BTW: Simonak: you could do like Hitler or what ever that guy said!?

RTMG wouldn't be the same without Radars Masterpiece NCF's! They shure are top quality!

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SimonaK
SimonaK


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted July 16, 2008 10:44 PM
Edited by SimonaK at 22:44, 16 Jul 2008.

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pff just don't put my ncfs there,


Radar, I'm ready to collaborate with you,

Only, it would be very important, before, that you can give an excellent reason
why you don't want that your NCF creatures to be integrated into this project

And please,

a reason much more intelligent and useful for Heroes 5
than only "because I don't want"



And also, I have a question for you:

If you don't wish your creatures in RTMG,
in which project, do you agree to have them?


Quote:
stop moaning & everyone's happy


The only person is not happy is you.
So, the only person is moaning is you too.

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Asheera
Asheera


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Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
posted July 16, 2008 10:53 PM

Yeah, I don't really understand why Radar doesn't want his creatures in RTMG (NOT modified, ofc)

But still if he doesn't want, then don't use them. If you use them against his will it's just shameful...
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Morphem
Morphem


Hired Hero
posted July 17, 2008 12:26 AM

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pff just don't put my ncfs there, stop moaning & everyone's happy


You're the one moaning lol
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SimonaK
SimonaK


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posted July 17, 2008 03:43 AM
Edited by SimonaK at 03:44, 17 Jul 2008.

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Yeah, I don't really understand why Radar doesn't want his creatures in RTMG (NOT modified, ofc)

But still if he doesn't want, then don't use them. If you use them against his will it's just shameful...



The creator is less important than the creature


and I'm less important than the RTMG


I would not yield to this will if it is not clearly justified intelligently.

In addition, I strongly suggest to Radar:  

1 - to answer my questions

2 - to use the RTMG to test his creatures in the game in order to balance them well



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radar
radar


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Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
posted July 19, 2008 10:39 AM

now you are officially an arse
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Cleave
Cleave


Promising
Famous Hero
Raging Blood
posted July 19, 2008 10:52 AM

That comment is clearly and intelligently justified.

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SimonaK
SimonaK


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted July 19, 2008 03:44 PM
Edited by SimonaK at 15:45, 19 Jul 2008.

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now you are officially an arse


clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap, bravossimo!

I'm really impressed with the more high degree, oh yeah!

Now, you can go to read my post in your topic about your Crystal Dragon,

I explain you it is unbalanced....


Quote:
That comment is clearly and intelligently justified.


huh??..Cleave... if you don't know what to do today, thus occupies itself by doing
the housework of your bathroom


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