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wog_edn
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posted June 25, 2010 12:25 AM |
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So... the way the guy gets thrown... does he do it because otherwise his arms break? I don't get where the whole rotating momentum comes from.
Yeahh, that's what I am wondering too... why not just take out the guys knees instead of being led around? I wonder how it would work in a real match ... any vids of that? 
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posted June 25, 2010 12:46 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 00:46, 25 Jun 2010.
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Typically resisting a technique is bad in aikido, if you do he will have to hurt you. However I have little experience with the specific one to know what the 'side-effects' would be. I bet my sensei would get creative if I asked, he tends to reply by applying said technique on you. Heh fun times.
Funny you mention Nina, I recently read on wiki that she has an aikido background. Not that it shows much 
And as you know aikido is more of a hobby than a sport, not competitive. You probably could find some videos if you search but doubt there will be many official games. There is that aikido school that creates competitions with randori where attackers come at full force and are allowed to resist the attack normally. I think I'd seen some videos on their site.
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wog_edn
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posted June 25, 2010 01:03 AM |
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Edited by wog_edn at 01:07, 25 Jun 2010.
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Aikido vs Aikido
Maybe not professionals, but hey .. best I could find. Most seems to be amateurs and fakes.
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posted June 25, 2010 09:52 AM |
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While the guy in the comment is right about aikido being used to end conflicts than outscoring opponents.. Where is the aikido?  Lol at some time they tried to attack simultaneously, that's one of the first things we were taught to avoid.
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wog_edn
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posted June 25, 2010 02:30 PM |
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Probably cause aikido is a defensive martial art, and using it to attack wouldn't be very easy ...
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posted June 25, 2010 02:47 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 14:49, 25 Jun 2010.
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Found some gifs with techniques
Mae Otoshi. Seems pretty similar to udekimenage.
Sumi Otoshi. Simple, not exactly damaging but I like it. Opponent expects a hit in the face and finds himself on the ground
Kiki Otoshi. Not as much fun as Adrius' throw ofc.
Kote Hineri. Looks pretty similar to ikkyo. Like you you drive the opponent down though I'd say ikkyo does so more gracefully.
Kotegaeshi, bet you've seen it before. Probably with a full turn before the throw.
Shihonage
An ikkyo variation.
Hiki Taoshi heheheh
Aw yeah.
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posted June 26, 2010 01:29 AM |
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wog_edn
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posted June 26, 2010 01:45 AM |
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Edited by wog_edn at 01:49, 26 Jun 2010.
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Nice ... yeah, really seems like that guy knows what he's doing it helps playing action movies. Of course, some of the stuff ain't legal in MMA due to illegal small joint manipulation 
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posted June 26, 2010 01:58 AM |
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Even if you promise to be careful not to break anything?  Seagal may have gotten some weight over time but it looks like he still remembers how it's done. Then again that's 7 dan for you.
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posted June 26, 2010 02:02 AM |
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Pff, 7th dan ain't nothin.
But hell, the man's got years of experience and is still damn fast! Extra weigth or not, it'd be really fun going against him in the ring guy's got some mad skills.. it sucks, wanting to learn all martial arts...
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posted June 26, 2010 02:11 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 02:12, 26 Jun 2010.
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With 10 being the highest I'd say it's good enough. That is the funny thing, with aikido you can retain your skill even in later years. I'm not just speaking of Ueshiba - who was on his own level - but if you take a look the really good aikidoka are typically old and not exactly physically imposing. After all the name of the game is technique, not strength.
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posted June 26, 2010 02:19 AM |
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One thing I really like about Aikido is the wrist locks and stuff. Looks really cool and effective 
Seagal demonstrates a lot of neck-chop moves in that vid, why? What use are they? I would figure a strike to the head would be more efficient for unbalancing the opponent...
Or is it supposed to be a 1 hit KO move? Like, paralysing the opponent or something?
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posted June 26, 2010 02:20 AM |
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Of course, in a martial art where experience is everything and physical strength pretty much nothing at all it's a given that the older people with more experience are better. They may not be as strong or fast as they were, but they can at least throw you around like you're a rag doll. That's worth something. Those martial arts are probably better when thinking forward, as stuff like boxing and muay thai depends on speed, strength and stamina as much as experience.
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posted June 26, 2010 02:38 AM |
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The neck chop is what we call yokomenuchi, usually aimed at side of the head. Not really sure why we use it as opposed to a more direct hit but it can hurt more than you'd expect. A guess on my part would be so as to keep our fingers free for grips and locks. After all we are not encouraged to grab a limb when given the opportunity but instead guide its movement, grabbing would cause the opponent to resist or decrease our options.
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posted June 26, 2010 08:14 PM |
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Guy forgot his toothprotector thingy, so it was a body-only match. Sucked.
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posted June 27, 2010 12:28 PM |
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That video is actually an excellent example of differences between traditional martial arts vs. modern martial arts.
You can see that Silva doesn't really grasp the few basic ideas right away. Like doing things as a one move instead of block and hit. Or the simultaneous locking of two or three joints and pressure points.
PS. How many pressure point strikes or manipulations did you count?
Without paying that much attention to them I counted eight. I'm quessing I missed a quarter or more of them.
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posted June 27, 2010 04:39 PM |
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Edited by JoonasTo at 16:44, 27 Jun 2010.
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So, I quess it's my time to put in some vids.
First I curse youtube into the lowest hells. It has almost none karate technique vids. The few that it does have are often very lousy quality or just plain wrong.
For strikes I don't have that much. You all know uppercuts and crosses and the like and there's nothing special there. Feint first pressure second. Elbows to the eye corners. Double elbows to the chin etc. etc. I can explain some pressure point strikes if you wish but for now I'll only put two srikes here.
Hiji-Otoshi
For the the guy speaks complete garbage about big motions and circles. Forget that. They just slow you down. Pointers being: Elbow up, body down. This is here for one reason and one reason only. Cuts right through the boxer defense.
Uchi Uke + an uppercut
So at the same time as you bock the enemy's strike you execute an uppercut. It isn't the easiest thing to pull off and takes some training thanks to the contradicting motions involved but when you can do it you'll love it.
Kicks I can show some. Don't ever kick with the upside of your foot you'll just find broken bones there. Make sure you hit with the ankle or better yet, the shin bone. Don't go for the snap kick style either. When you kick use all the force you've got(unless it's feint) so take the hips with you. If you want to go all out spin from the toesbut I find that to be too dangerous compared to the benefits.
Sokuto to the knee + a Mawashi Geri
Useful on an advancing enemy. When he takes a step forward drive through his knee with your front leg stopping him and use the created opening to launch a full powered roundhouse to the inside of his thigh with your rear leg. When you hit the pressure point(or more like an area) in there he'll drop. Gives you a place to knee him in the face. Easy to pull off and very effective. Nothing to complain.
Ushiro Mawashi Geri
If you have ever watched any Taekwondo competitions you know why this is here. It's a one hit KO if you can land it and it isn't impossible to pull of either. Goes to the same category with Do Mawashi Kaiten Geri but is a lot easier to pull off.
Ura Mawashi Geri
Use the front leg. Just the plain going around block to shake the enemy a little. Give him that "I can touch you any time I want. What have you got?" feeling. Plus it's got a million applications.
Ashi Barai
Should be pretty familiar to everyone, the Sweep, still one of the most useful moves there is. When you see a weight transfer or the enemy stumbles it's sure one to bring him down. Try to gain control of one of his arms to go for finish or if that fails just elbow his head.
Ude-gatame
You all know this and you all love it. Especially you Elvin! As the vid shows take him down and finish him whatever way you like. You already got his arm so might as well break it, hit his nose in, poke out his eyes, whatever you fancy.
Tai Otoshi
Once again a Jiu-jitsu derived technique present in Judo too. Doable from any blocked strike. Block, grab, spin, takedown, finish.
As for finishes I very rarely use any shoulder locks or armbars. I prefer either a combined elbow and wrist/finger lock or a disabling strike (pressure point/break something) depending on the situation.
I tend to improvise a whole lot. So if I get a good redirecting block instead of taking the enemy down I tend to something similar to this, a simple combination of two opposite blocks to break the arm or go for the enemy's throat.
Will see if something other nice comes to mind.
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posted June 28, 2010 03:09 PM |
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Ude gatame Also liked a lot the last video.
Here is an article on martial arts training, an interesting read. It was written with an aiki approach to mind and body but it can be generalized to just about anything.
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posted July 26, 2010 10:03 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 22:03, 26 Jul 2010.
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Two days remain before my second examination, this time for 6th kyu. In the three months that passed quite a few things have changed and like before it's during the last couple of weeks before exams that I had sudden improvement. Maybe because I'm more focused on improving and covering weaknesses but that's just a minor thing. The real benefit is that I am developing a sense of stability as well as zanshin(the continued state of spirit, mental alertness and physical readiness to meet the situation following an attack). It's kinda funny, the feet are steady, firmly placed on the ground yet you can move with finesse. I have done some sparring with friends and I can see that whether the technique is continued or disrupted I am a step ahead because either I am in a position where I can attack easier/faster or my stance is stronger should they try to pull me down. It's easier to react reflexively once you get to know better a few techniques though my timing still needs work. At least I am less likely to jump at a feint Improved a bit at the sword, words cannot express how alien the moves seem when you first start it. Have been too lazy to learn new forms with jo but we've practiced some simple attack/defense/dodge combinations all of which easy to incorporate in free style. Guess I'm getting somewhere, shame I'll have to take a month's break for studies not to mention army soon thereafter 
How are you guys doing, anything new?
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posted July 26, 2010 10:17 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 22:17, 26 Jul 2010.
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Not much, my Dojo's on break during holidays.
I'm training Bo Katas on my free time though. Fun as hell
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