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posted September 07, 2010 10:01 AM

I'm thinking about re-starting boxing soon. I don't know how well my knee will fare, but I hope it will be good.

It's pretty much the only MA that won't overstress my legs so...

gee. My cousin will be soo happy.
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posted September 07, 2010 10:24 AM
Edited by Elvin at 10:25, 07 Sep 2010.

Get 'em mate!

In March 2009, SportAccord signed an agreement with the city of Beijing, P. R. China, to organise the first SportAccord Combat Games. Scheduled from 28 August to 4 September 2010, the competition will showcase 13 Martial Arts and Combat sports, both Olympic and non-Olympic. The event will also include a Cultural Program that will reflect the social and cultural values of these sports and Combat Games as a whole.

Seems I missed that one

2010 SportAccord Combat Games

A short presentation of the martial arts exhibited, starts with aikido. Will have to check for videos sometime later.
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posted September 10, 2010 11:18 PM
Edited by Elvin at 23:19, 10 Sep 2010.

Oh my God I almost passed out from the sheer awesomeness of this video radiates. Just.. watch!

Tai Chi Masters Battle!
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posted September 11, 2010 12:24 AM

Wrong thread elvinique.

Was good training, lots of aerobics, biking there, match training(mainly sports karate matches and kicks with some knees and straights), biking back. 3,5 hours of tense training.
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posted October 20, 2010 12:30 AM

Couldn't afford martial arts anymore, and man that's a pity! Sucks that stuff has to be so damn expensive here in Norway. So I started working out instead, and I've had immense effect from not even two months workout. Trying to put in many "special" ways to workout as possible, to keep the fighting muscle up-to-date at all times.

So yeah, stinks that I don't get to work more on the fighting itself .. but speed, strength and cardio training sure helps anyway! Just felt like sharing my sad news
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posted October 20, 2010 12:37 AM

That sucks. Can't say I have something to add lately, doing what I can before I leave. We'll have a seminar with a 7 dan Japanese sensei this week, I should pick up a few things

Meanwhile a cool video.
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posted November 13, 2010 09:32 PM

I dropped two guys today.

For another I did it using two fingers at his wrist.
He blacked out.

The another I did it with a hit to his left side/back and a kick to his left leg.
He couldn't stand up in two minutes.

Both times use of force non-existential.


*let's the fact sink in*


Five hours of karate, pressure points. I feel like crap but I had such ridiculous fun I don't care. You could say it was englightening at the very least. You see all new side to things. It isn't rocket science or magic tricks. It's rather simple basic ideas that form a solid theory. What's pretty miraculous is that every single technique can be traced back to pressure points. Everything from boxing combos to aiki throws. It's a pretty well working theory.

This is something that needs to be shown, tried and realised. I'll try to explain it somehow. You can find the theory on net at a lot of places. Good place to start might be this. It's practically the same as chinese medicine. The idea is that there are lines going though the body and along those lines are certain points. These points have certain effects(intense pain, relax a muscle, etc.) when hit in a proper angle and from the right direction. These lines belong to one of the five elements(wood, fire, water, earth, metal) and one element builds up one other and destroys another.(they make a nice pentagram btw.) By combining a few points from certain elements at once or in succession you can get pretty nifty effects(like the two drops I described). Then there's dividing to Yin/Yang(inside of arms and legs is Yin, outside Yang, for example). The idea is that to use Yin to attack Yang and obviously Yang to Yin.(attack inside thigh with outside knee, for example)

Now all of this sounds like complete bullsnow and something out of a fantasy novel. I know it does. It did to me. But it works. If you remove the funny names and replace them with whatever better ones you can come up with it DOES make sense. Most points are somewhere where the nerves start, end, cross or diverge. Some are at major bloodcirculation points. There's the liver point etc. It's a theory desgined to explain things people didn't understand. It's purpose isn't to convince you that you're made of fire or something. It's purpose is to give you the needed theory to know why and how things work. And that it does pretty good.


PS. The one guy who blacked out from the wrist wasn't supposed to black out. He was just oversensitive to this stuff. There was also one guy who didn't feel any pain from the pressure points and other effects were smaller. 10% of people fall into both categories.
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posted November 13, 2010 10:21 PM

Sounds like fun good to know you're training guys. My stamina is absolute snow lately so I'm kinda scared to start the training anew @_o
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posted November 13, 2010 10:39 PM

I was expecting more from you regarding the subject. Where's the critic?


But low stamina isn't an issue. My stamina has got to suck more than yours and I still train four times a week.
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posted November 14, 2010 12:36 AM

Pressure points? Ain't that just places on the body where you can easly hit nervers to the point where it freaks out, and thus you get effects?
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posted November 14, 2010 11:04 AM

Guess so. They are fun to use, but highly impractical. Try applying that on a moving target that's trying to kick your butt... yeah, you got the idea.
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posted November 14, 2010 11:06 AM

Oh yeah?
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posted November 14, 2010 02:18 PM

Depends really, you just have to get control over your opponent first. Different kinds of joint locks and manipulation could give you a strong chance to go for a pressure point without having to be afraid of getting your nose broken or anything (my biggest fear, a strike to the nose )
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posted November 14, 2010 02:24 PM

Think how much time and effort you need to locate the pressure point, apply a lock on it and do it swift while I move around and attack you.

Compare it to a time I need to smash your face with my fist
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posted November 14, 2010 02:34 PM

Once you've learned pressure points properly you don't need time to locate them, that's as easy as it is for you to locate the liver.

As for smashing my face in, that's why I have the guard up. Personally pressure points are for me mostly a bonus (as I don't know too many of them), so I mostly rely on speed and strenght in my strikes and punches. Or wrestling, I love wrestling. I am too slick to keep a hold on, I've managed to beat guys twice my size when at the rugby
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posted November 14, 2010 02:35 PM

Well, with your guard up, how do you want to search for pressure points? It's one or the other.
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posted November 14, 2010 02:41 PM

Well no, not necessarily. You don't let your guard up to search for pressure points, you go for them with your strikes. Or if you manage to get your opponent to the ground .. well, here you'll probably prefer to smash his face in or apply an armbar or something. As I said, it's a bonus. I am more a straight-forward fighter. But the really pro martial artists mostly go for pressure points with their strikes, I'd presume.
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posted November 14, 2010 03:35 PM

Places where nerves start, diverge, cross or meet and places of high circulation.

Most of them are of no use in striking situation(around 40 are), in grappling situations you get a lot more use out of them. I'd say somewhere around 100 are usable at least. That means they are spots you don't have to go around poking with sticks or precise finger taps. They're places where you can hit with a fist. Or kick with your leg.



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The another I did it with a hit to his left side/back and a kick to his left leg.
He couldn't stand up in two minutes.

Both times use of force non-existential.

This one was a counter to a regular attack. Front kick followed by straight(and usually another straight and a hook if you let it go that far, I didn't let him get that far). That guy was trying his best to hit me but as anyone who's ever done any MA can tell, trying to hit a guy who has predicted your moves is hard.

The idea was that the other guy could attack anyway he wanted, only restriction was that he had to start with a front kick(front leg/back leg, advance/retract, high/low, snap/thrust, no matter as long as it was a front kick) and continuing from that was free.
He came with his left leg. I redirected the kick to my left. This time he didn't retract so I knew there was a straight coming.(because his other leg was out of place, other punches except cross wouldn't reach and I saw no going for leg swap), blocked it and hit his liver at the same time, followed by a kick to his outside thigh. He dropped and couldn't get up. I used nearly zero force in the kick and the punch was a surface hit.
Now the idea behind why that works is that the hit to his side near the liver, which is vulnerable there, directs his concentration to that area and relaxes the other areas of his body making the attack to the high nerve area in the outer thigh, which is normally protected by tensed up muscle, possible.
Or you could just say that you hit liver 13/gallbladder 25,26 to open it up and hit the now open gallbladder 31,32 in the leg.

Which one sounds more hocus pocus? The second.
Which one is simpler? The second.
Which one works? Both.

So if you're set on learning all the good nerve points and their combinations you can hit in human body by rote who am I to go stopping you?
I think I prefer learning a few rules and using those to figure them out though.



This isn't some special out of this world thing that takes years to master.
You hit liver in boxing, that's pressure points. You kick the outside of the thigh in karate, that's pressure points. You apply a blood choke in judo, that's pressure points. You apply a wrist lock in submission wrestling, that's pressure points.
This isn't some magic tricks. This is the theory that brings all those together and explains them. In a simple way.
Of course by knowing and understanding it you can add some nifty effects and that's the fun part.

Let's take the liver shot, for example, it's known to pretty much everyone so it's easy.
You hit the sensitive tip of the liver and the best way to hit it is from and angle that let's you bypass the ribs but still deliver a direct hit to the liver itself without being hampered by muscles, which comes to around 45 degrees.
You hit three pressure points and the best way to hit the strongest one is 45 degree angle upwards because the qi in it moves down.
Up to this point boith are understandable, while the western one is a little more complicated. But what if you want to know what places relax after you hit the liver(presuming the guy didn't drop already)?
I don't think anyone outside of some specialist doctors could tell you from the western one.
If you look at the pressure point theory almost anyone can. It opens up the liver, gallbladder, spleen and stomach meridians and tenses up the heart, triple warmer, pericardium and small intestine meridians.
Voila! Now you know how to create working combos without having to try out every possible combination beforehand or studying to become a specialist nerve chirurgeon.


Ps. Smashing you fist to someone's face hits usually at least five pressure points. If you know where to aim at least ten and if you're good you come from the right angle and catch the right ten. Which is a knockout right there.
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posted November 14, 2010 06:20 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 18:22, 14 Nov 2010.

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Well no, not necessarily. You don't let your guard up to search for pressure points, you go for them with your strikes. Or if you manage to get your opponent to the ground .. well, here you'll probably prefer to smash his face in or apply an armbar or something. As I said, it's a bonus. I am more a straight-forward fighter. But the really pro martial artists mostly go for pressure points with their strikes, I'd presume.


Actually pro fighters go for "ground and pound" mostly. it's a trend that dominated all MMA/Vale Tudo fighting. You bring someone to the ground and beat his sorry butt while he's lying there. Usually with hammerfists to the face. Nothing spectacular, but most heavyweight fights by top fighters end with G&P.

If pressure points were any better, they would be used there, cause everyone wants the money and fame for winning. They are allowed, but they are not really used at all. Which brings me to a point that they are too complicated if used against professionals.

Simple = good.


However I think we misunderstood each other's definition of pressure points. To me they are spots that can paralyze you. Yes there are some I believe but seeking them is useless because it takes too long. I don't consider a liver punch "pressure point" - to make it clear

If you're thinking of something different, let me know.
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posted November 14, 2010 07:17 PM

There are many different kinds of pressure points with different effects. The kind that are in the neck that drop you are the kind that first comes in to mind with most but that's just because they don't know about the rest. There are points which do not cause any pain at all. Just relax some particular area. Relaxing the opponent's abdominal muscles sounds like a nice one, don't you agree? Or how about a shock effect that causes him to flinch(long enough for you to get out of ground grappling situation, for example). Neither of those hurt and neither of those would fall into what you consider pressure points, yet they still are.
You've fallen under the hollywood effect.


And attacking the neck is forbidden in MMA fights as long as I remember correctly. That's the easiest way to go for pressure points with the paralysing effects. But next time you see someone do a blood choke in MMA that's pressure points with paralysing effect. It doesn't have to be a pinpoint strike, a good hug will do just as well.
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