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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted October 26, 2008 09:03 PM |
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Pretty good timing with your Lucky hits there - but only goes to show how rediculous Consume Artifact can be in battles like this.
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted October 26, 2008 09:10 PM |
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I tried to aim for Empathy but even with Mentor I couldn't get it
And those Golems are a pain for Dungeon, since they have to be handled exclusively by your troops.
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted October 26, 2008 09:20 PM |
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Quote: Pretty good timing with your Lucky hits there - but only goes to show how rediculous Consume Artifact can be in battles like this.
I still can't believe you guys didn't ban Academy yet (no seriously, Consume Artifact is overly IMBA, coupled with the BEST mini-arties for the whole battle before that )
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JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted October 26, 2008 09:24 PM |
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted October 26, 2008 10:17 PM |
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That's the new version - I haven't played it so I don't know the power of Academy on that one.
But on this one Academy is simply too strong IMO. Especially with crazy MotW + Resurrect.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 27, 2008 03:08 AM |
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Some more replays. Haven vs fortress, orcs vs inferno and necro vs orcs against Joonas, inferno vs fortress against fiur. The last one was breathtaking but also shows inferno's apparent weakness - word of light. They depend on damage yet that quickly decreases along with their low hitpoints. Imagine if fortress also had enlightenment for higher word damage or rune of resurrection, they would be able to win just by stalling the battle.. Or even worse sylvan with high druid spellpower boost.
The next version will be giving demonlords ring of unrepentant by default.
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BlizzardBoy
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Nerf Herder
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posted October 27, 2008 05:04 PM |
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Let's get the new party started!
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted October 27, 2008 05:06 PM |
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Wait a sec, me and Radar will have to play the final epic battle in the first tournament.
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BlizzardBoy
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Nerf Herder
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posted October 27, 2008 05:13 PM |
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Flip a coin.
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ebbafan
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 27, 2008 05:48 PM |
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good playing, Asheera and Radar are both pretty good, although i don't like the changes and levels at which the heroes are competing, i would much rather watch very high level heroes with large artifact sets, large armies and ultimate skills battling it out. after all how often do you see absolute rage or absolute protection?
btw regarding the haven vs. stronghold battle: is triple flaming ballista banned for telsek?
dungeon can't beat academy in this setup, especially not when its rezzak and his magnetic golems.
ebba with no rune of charge??? blasphemy!!! especially when you can't cast raise dead or resurrection on level 7's!
also, clearly might factions have a big advantage vs. magic factions fighting on open terrain, not to mention grassy terrains for some might factions. i remember watching dungeon getting absolutely murdered by stronghold in a recent replay and somebody getting luck, attack, defense, leadership and light magic in another battle - smart moves but rather unfair for the mage on the receiving end.
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted October 27, 2008 05:56 PM |
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Note: I'm talking about 1.6 version, I haven't play-tested the newer one.Quote: btw regarding the haven vs. stronghold battle: is triple flaming ballista banned for telsek?
No.
About No Rune of Charge... Fortress is already a pretty good town.
Oh and see my old battle with Dungeon vs Haven and see that Magic factions are actually pretty good against Might ones.
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BlizzardBoy
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Nerf Herder
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posted October 27, 2008 05:59 PM |
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I don't really understand the ban on Rune of Charge either, but I'm too apathetic to argue about it. If Rune of Charge is so powerful, then how do you guys beat Fortress in any normal game? Does everybody here only play sheltered modded games that are "fixed" according to how you think it should be? The duel sets in the game have Dwarf armies with Rune of Charge, and they aren't in any way unbeatable. I've fought against Fortress online and I don't always lose against rune of charge.
Anyway, I'll go with whatever.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 27, 2008 06:15 PM |
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Quote: I don't really understand the ban on Rune of Charge either, but I'm too apathetic to argue about it. If Rune of Charge is so powerful, then how do you guys beat Fortress in any normal game? Does everybody here only play sheltered modded games that are "fixed" according to how you think it should be? The duel sets in the game have Dwarf armies with Rune of Charge, and they aren't in any way unbeatable. I've fought against Fortress online and I don't always lose against rune of charge.
There's a reason it's banned in most toh maps. But the main difference in a real game is the poor fortress creeping, early losses and slow build up. And it's not what *I* think, with the proper setup and charge fortress has an edge against other towns. Maybe it was fine in HoF but now the new bears and battleragers keep disabling enemy units with pretty good chances I must say - even before they get to act.
Quote: good playing, Asheera and Radar are both pretty good, although i don't like the changes and levels at which the heroes are competing, i would much rather watch very high level heroes with large artifact sets, large armies and ultimate skills battling it out. after all how often do you see absolute rage or absolute protection?
Those matchups have a very high level of randomness. Also absolute abilities are imbalanced as hell, known fact. However the new version has a lot stronger armies, arcane library and artifact merchants so it's a bit more interesting.
Quote: dungeon can't beat academy in this setup, especially not when its rezzak and his magnetic golems.
Says who?
Quote: ebba with no rune of charge??? blasphemy!!! especially when you can't cast raise dead or resurrection on level 7's!
Wish you were joking..
Quote: also, clearly might factions have a big advantage vs. magic factions fighting on open terrain, not to mention grassy terrains for some might factions. i remember watching dungeon getting absolutely murdered by stronghold in a recent replay and somebody getting luck, attack, defense, leadership and light magic in another battle - smart moves but rather unfair for the mage on the receiving end.
Don't know where you get the clearly part. And I don't feel compelled to show you the same battle with the exact opposite results It's a matter of setup, chance and spells.
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted October 27, 2008 06:35 PM |
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Sorry Ash, I can't access the Net for the whole day. DNS has broken down and I don't know when it is going to be fixed.
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Nebdar
Promising
Supreme Hero
Generation N
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posted October 27, 2008 06:39 PM |
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It seems that duels map project is going from ban much to unban and then ban again process when somebody is gonna lose against the same strategy/faction twice or more.
By baning some stuff the level of randomnes decreases so the game becomes less schocking and strategies are easier to anticipate.
When all strategies are euqally and fully legitmate there is tendency to go for best know skill/creatures combinations until an counter strategy is discovered.
So the ultimate question to ban or not ban?
The answer depends on players feelings, and feeling can change quickly.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 27, 2008 06:45 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 18:45, 27 Oct 2008.
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Umm what are you talking about? In the original I've only done some minor fixes and banned cotn/armageddon because they were overpowering if you consider a 3 week army. Three casts were enough to end this battle so it was necessary.
In the new one there is no need for bans except ring/staff that can make or break a game. Reason that I have enough armies not to die by a few armageddons or not to be defeated by a single powerful phoenix.
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ebbafan
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 27, 2008 06:48 PM |
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anyone remember who was playing sylvan on a recent sylvan vs dungeon match? i think it was gilraen vs. kythra. dungeon was creamed. kudos to whoever that was, very few mistakes made in that match, carefully thought out and carefully positioned whoever that was
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted October 27, 2008 06:50 PM |
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Quote: Sorry Ash, I can't access the Net for the whole day. DNS has broken down and I don't know when it is going to be fixed.
Oh damn
I hate it when this happens and I have my games unfinished, like it was in the Olympics Duel with Zamfir. (it was delayed a LOT after our first battle)
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JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted October 27, 2008 07:56 PM |
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted October 27, 2008 08:05 PM |
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Quote: ebba with no rune of charge??? blasphemy!!! especially when you can't cast raise dead or resurrection on level 7's!
Coming from someone who calls himself Ebbafan, this is no surprise. (wonder what he would've said if Brand was the Duel hero instead )
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