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posted December 29, 2008 09:43 PM |
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Oslo accords, for example. There were numerous others.
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posted December 29, 2008 09:51 PM |
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It was coming. Everyone should have seen it.
But I don't think they'll mount a fullscale war. Neither side is really ready for that. And Hamas is a lot better prepared than before. It would be very costly for Israel. And the current government can't take the responsibility of all the casualties it would bring. Not to mention the fact that Hamas has way too much support for the war to be succesfull.
So both sides will go on butchering civilians like before.
EDIT: Israel has made the border off-limits to journalists. Looks like they're trying to scare Hamas with making it look like they are preparing for assault.
Are they stupid? Or just playing dumm? Like that would ever work.
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posted December 29, 2008 10:12 PM |
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Who said it wouldn't?
Don't forget that for the past two days the air force has been preparing the ground for a possible ground assault. There's have been talks about such a possibility from the beginning.
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posted December 29, 2008 10:36 PM |
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Israel has made the border off-limits to journalists. Looks like they're trying to scare Hamas with making it look like they are preparing for assault.
Are they stupid? Or just playing dumm? Like that would ever work.
I really don't see the point of sending ground troops,when Israel is bombing the teritory...
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Oslo accords, for example. There were numerous others.
Thanks Mvass.
IMO those minor conflicts at Gaza were just well... minor. the real conflict has just ignited.
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posted December 29, 2008 10:39 PM |
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I really don't see the point of sending ground troops,when Israel is bombing the teritory...
Not everything can be taken care of from the air. There are tunnels, underground storages, bunkers etc. Also, it's much easier to stop missile launches with ground forces than with air force.
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posted December 29, 2008 10:43 PM |
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Indeed, missile launches can't be stopped with bombing. Actually most things can't be stopped with bombing.
But israel can't afford ground war so it will keep bombing that will mostly result in civilian deaths while the Hamas does the same. Bi-lateral terrorism is such a joy don't you think? 
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posted December 29, 2008 10:44 PM |
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Not everything can be taken care of from the air. There are tunnels, underground storages, bunkers etc. Also, it's much easier to stop missile launches with ground forces than with air force.
Guilty. Didn't thought of that. But one thing i don't get is: Why to kill children,women and old men when the armed forces of Hamas is the real target? Whats the point of meaningless death?
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posted December 29, 2008 10:44 PM |
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@Vokial Bloody Israely policy???
I wonder how you or Mvass would react if a missile fell on your house killing your mother and sister for no apparent reason... But you would probably just say oh well and move on right? 
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posted December 29, 2008 10:49 PM |
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The difference between Hamas' bombing and Israel's is that Israel targets Hamas compounds and warehouses and doesn't just shoot randomly at cities.
@Kip
Why put a military storage in a house with women, children and old people?
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posted December 29, 2008 10:56 PM |
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I know. But that doesn't matter since Hamas tends to work in places filled with civilians. Both end in the deaths of innocents since Hamas most often gets away and the bombings tend to end up in just killing the civilians near there. You can't really target only Hamas fighters since every man can be a fighter for them and there's no way of knowing who's who.
It will end up in Israel terrorism being larger than Hamas terrorism.
Israel could just as well stop the air strikes. They won't get much done with them besides of killing civilians. The only problem is that the normal people, like TNT here, call for revenge so the government must obey.
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posted December 29, 2008 10:59 PM |
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TNT:
There's no need to abandon rational thought. Two wrongs don't make a right.
General topic:
Though I suggest this with great regret and reservation, I know it must be done. Israel must invade Gaza and break Hamas. It's the only way anything positive is going to happen. Otherwise, it will just fester and rot even more.
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posted December 29, 2008 10:59 PM |
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It's true that we can't kill all the HAMAS people with airstrikes (although there have been some very successful hits in this aspect), that's why we're not aiming at people, we're aiming at compounds, so that even if we wouldn't hit one HAMAS activist we would still destroy a lot of important pro-terrorist property - warehouses, smuggling tunnels, headquarters etc.
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posted December 29, 2008 11:01 PM |
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Yeah, that building was such a terrorist sympathizer. 
I get what you're saying, though.
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posted December 29, 2008 11:01 PM |
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There's no need to abandon rational thought. Two wrongs don't make a right.
So any kind of reaction by the USA after 9/11 was wrong?
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posted December 29, 2008 11:04 PM |
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I'm not saying that there shouldn't have been any reaction. But the reaction was certainly excessive.
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posted December 29, 2008 11:08 PM |
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Best reaction to both Hamas and 9/11 would have been surgical strikes.
If Israel goes waging ground war with Hamas it will end just like Afganistan and USA. A guerilla war where they can only wait for the next strike.
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posted December 29, 2008 11:08 PM |
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So what reaction would be reasonable when a "group of extremists" (Hamas) fires rockets into regions full of innocent people?
And keep in mind it is not the first time Hamas acts like that...but first time Israel reacts that intensive.
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posted December 29, 2008 11:10 PM |
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"And keep in mind it is not the first time Hamas acts like that...but first time Israel reacts that intensive."
Israel has done air strikes against terrorists for years...
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posted December 29, 2008 11:12 PM |
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Why put a military storage in a house with women, children and old people?
the only logical explanation that i can think of now is:
to thin out the population,so when a full scale conflict break out,theres less civilian casualties. But that doesn't make any sense right? Or does it?
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posted December 29, 2008 11:18 PM |
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You've been drinking too much Kips. 
The logical explanation is the same as to "Why did the americans ship weapons to england in WW1 in a passenger ship?". Propaganda. People don't want war naturally believe it or not. They need to feel that there's something to wage war for. Like dead civilians. Who wouldn't think those evil jews/germans who kill innocent civilians need to be punished?
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