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posted January 30, 2009 09:05 AM |
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When talking about war that is someting to be expected.
When talking about war - maybe (even though intentionally targeting civilians is against international law), but we're in state of cease-fire with HAMAS.
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posted January 30, 2009 11:00 AM |
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but we're in state of cease-fire with HAMAS.
Then your in a ceasefire with Hamas and not Hizbolla nor any others.
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posted January 30, 2009 11:03 AM |
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Hizbolla has nothing to do with this. And since the HAMAS is both the government of Gaza and its most dominant force it has certain responsibility for what happens in there, including what comes from there (e.g. rocket fire).
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posted January 30, 2009 11:08 AM |
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Hizbolla has nothing to do with this. And since the HAMAS is both the government of Gaza and its most dominant force it has certain responsibility for what happens in there, including what comes from there (e.g. rocket fire).
Actually, Hamash is elected on a loophole. You forget that. The military group that holds the most popularity is not a political party, and for its members Hamash is the closest to their ideology.
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posted January 30, 2009 11:16 AM |
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Ummm... Hamas is a political party with a military branch and it was chosen over Fatah in official elections by the Palestinian people.
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posted January 30, 2009 12:55 PM |
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You forget that Fatah got more power than Hamash, after Isreals annexing they pretty much got more popular during the night.
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posted January 30, 2009 01:02 PM |
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Well then, let them have a new election and choose Fatah as their leaders, believe me I would like nothing more. But until then Hamas is still technically in charge and therefore has certain responsibilities.
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posted January 30, 2009 07:20 PM |
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The Palestinians are on the right side, I think. Israel, the aggressor, is attempting to bring secularism and the corrupting influence of the modern world, and the Muslim world are rightfully trying to repel them. I must say that they're being too violent in their actions, though. There are better ways that have not yet been exhausted.
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posted January 30, 2009 07:30 PM |
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"The corrupting influences of the modern world."
Care to elaborate?
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posted January 30, 2009 08:07 PM |
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But until then Hamas is still technically in charge and therefore has certain responsibilities.
Ok so if they aren't responsible what are you going to do, cripple them even more to make their job even harder? 
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posted January 30, 2009 09:31 PM |
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What do you mean aren't? Didn't I say I believe they are? Or was that kind of a hypothetical question?
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posted January 30, 2009 09:39 PM |
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No I mean, if they choose not to be responsible (i.e as in "that kid is totally irresponsible! I've had it with him!"), then obviously 'crippling' them only makes it even harder to keep order etc.
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posted January 30, 2009 09:47 PM |
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Oh well, then (imo) we should get back in Gaza and won't stop at 'crippling'. A military body that attacks civilians is bad enough, but a military body that attacks civilians and doesn't uphold the cease fire is too much. By breaking said cease fire they are in fact declaring open war on Israel and if war is what they want, war is what they'll get. Only this time it won't stop until we receive what we need, not even for a diplomatic cease fire.
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posted January 31, 2009 10:00 AM |
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I think. Israel, the aggressor, is attempting to bring secularism and the corrupting influence of the modern world
Bah, the USA is doing a better job on corrupting the world.
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posted February 01, 2009 07:32 PM |
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today 13 rockets hit west of the negev fired from Gaza area by Hamas activists.
3 lightly wounded (2 soiliders and 1 civilian) from the shots.An israel army offical states hamas will pay for the attack.
Also,there is high warning risk to israely travelers outside the country for hisbollah prepers an act of terror. i was reavelied that not too long ago,israely intelegent agents (the mossad) along with a frogien intellegence service stoped an act of terror before it happen someware in europe ,the location is not revealied.
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posted February 01, 2009 09:07 PM |
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Well, then non-israelians can just write this everyday:
"Today some Israelian soldiers killed people in the Gaza area. Three civilians died, two were highly wounded and one lighly wounded. Two of the killed ones were children."
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posted February 01, 2009 09:18 PM |
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today 13 rockets hit west of the negev fired from Gaza area by Hamas activists.
Nope. Things arent as easy as you want them to be.
Let's be serious, there's always something that they try to not make obvious, possibly even deeper than this.
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posted February 01, 2009 09:27 PM |
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frogien intellegence service stoped an act of terror before it happen someware in europe ,the location is not revealied.
I don't belice they stopped anybody. I think its just pure propaganda!
For the 3 people hit, anybody got the statistic on the palestinian side? Xerox did, and i think he almost deserves a QP for the counter argument.
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posted February 02, 2009 12:18 PM |
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@TheDeath
This is indeed news to me (although I've been more focused on my studies than news lately) and if it's true, I must say it brings some hope with it. This is the first time I hear the Hamas condemning rocket fire and actually announcing they will deal with those who fired the shots. Looks like there is still hope for a true peace (even if only for a year) after the treaty is signed.
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This might be incredibly offensive to the people who live in this region... It's a Hamas TV-show for children around 9-13 years old. It's called tommorrows pioneers. It's in theory like when Donald Duck beat up nazi's and superman tolerated asians... Except that fanaticism is celebrated...
number two in this top nine
and...
the second one in the list...
Bak moved me with his argument that conflicting terrorities can live in peace next to eachother (like Cuba and America), but if children are raised with things like this... Then hatred, to the perfect blindly fanatical is the norm and all else is deviant...
But then again, the actors actually died in the conflict, so it is understandable... But not noble, kind or anything sympathetic at all.
Anyway, I felt like adding this. In no way is anything changed... I'm just curious how the defenders of Palestine feel about propaganda (which we are choking down as well, no doubt).
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