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Strider_HL
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posted April 01, 2009 02:21 PM |
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Yeah, i got it back but the prospects are very grim now hehe I have no choice but to attack balrog garrison and that might be a suicide without 15 flamelords and money. Will see...
For Kis, lucky sucker and high skill comes in single package - really formidable combo 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 01, 2009 02:24 PM |
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My bet is they haven't tried yet, otherwise we'd get some juicy posts 
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted April 01, 2009 07:23 PM |
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At least I wanna mention that I agree with Strider on sim tunr issue. This is a factor of the game and we both know we can gain or loose on.
I think we both think the less rules leaves bigger space of creativity, which is part of skill in the game.
Jinx, you mentioned thats its a bug, so its not honorable to gain from if.
But dont u think thats its also a bug that Helmar moved, retreated and was able to move later on the same day?
I will not make any problem of it, cuz we can find 1001 question where we could simply drop the mouses call the Honor Council and wait fro their decision. There is no time for that.
Also, no doubt, Strider would use his extra turn if he got it as player 2. And I dont have problem with that.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted April 01, 2009 07:44 PM |
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@ Kisp... my goal on posting my opininons here was NOT to attack your character. Merely pointing out that the sim turn break timing is Obviously flawed. And you made a statment in previous posts that you felt Strider miscalculated your movement... well... HOW is he supposed to accurately calculate your movement and his strategy if he doesnt get to COMPLETE his FULL turn and should be his right. If he looks as says... Kisp might beable to meet me.. so my strategy is to take my full turn and move to saftey... and poof his turn Stops half way in middle of him executing his calculations and you are granted the option of moving again during middle of his turn... That is Just wrong..
Now its NOT your fault! Noone is saying it is.. but its obviously a game design flaw.. as somone ELSE posted earlier posts.. in this case... a reload should be given and Strider should have option to finish his Mains movement completely and where is main stops.. then you can move your main and finish your turn... Is it perfect.. NO.. is it anyones fault.. NO... is it a bug and should NOT be taken advantage of... YES..
This tournament is to decide who is the BEST player in TOH! Who has the best over all skill... and such a Freak game design flaw to grant a player a freak chance to possibly Steal the game ... well IMO that doesnt prove any skill.. just proves.. UBI was drunk when they created game. I personally couldnt take any Pride from beating Strider in this manner... Would I feel like I earned it?? Hell no. I wouldnt have Earned anything. I would have been GIVEN the win based on a bug and a flaw.. shows or proves NOTHING about either of the players skills.
Again... not attacking your character Kisp.. just a general opininon on the situation.
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sq79
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posted April 01, 2009 08:49 PM |
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Edited by sq79 at 20:54, 01 Apr 2009.
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Sorry I can't help but comment 
Since Jinxer doesn't really know what's happening in there since he never had a game with strider or in twilight.
I don't think kis has any reason give any reload to strider.
Why ?
Because if strider himself is player 2, he would jump at any chance to abuse this flaw. So what is the hype about getting a reload when you're caught unaware ?????  Mis calculation or greed, he knows it best 
And the last thing is, it wasn't agreed before hand anyway. And strider knew way before hand kis was coming from the map layout in twilight, he should have been prepared for it.
Any its probably better to have 1 player as player 1, another in player 2 as alternate games, to make it fair and even. Player 2 has obviously a surprise element to it compared to player 1.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted April 01, 2009 09:03 PM |
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Thank you, Jinxer and some others but i repeat once more that weird game behavior with sim breaks is part of flawed game and i accept it. I never mentioned about reload! I was just deeply upset by statements of this superb strategist
This is not about reload! I just hate losing 2 times in a row in the most undeserved fashion and got really pissed at Kis's boasting afterward. The funniest is that he thinks that last 2 games are a result of his own shining greatness and has no shame to say it loud
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted April 01, 2009 09:18 PM |
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SQ79 is 100% correct... I have never played Twilight World.. so there are I am sure alot of unknowns. But as I have said before.. my statements are not based on which players are involved or what map it happened on.. but my opinions are concerning the situtation in general.
Again no offense intended toward anyone... Peace ... Love... AppleSauce!
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted April 01, 2009 09:57 PM |
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Jinxer, the BEST player sure knows what happens when sim turns break, and he can counter that effect in many ways... the BEST player should posses a great sense of anticipation, and be able to overcome such unfortunate moments.
It's true, this is a design flaw, I agree on that, but both players have to deal and live with it somehow.
And, in the end, I am astonished by your hipocrisy... and I would really like to see you in Kispagat's shoes, granting the reload without pre-game agreement about that, because "you wouldn't feel like you earned the win".
And I wonder how on Earth such a moral and lawful person, was practically begging for a spot in Caesar's tournament, even though he wasn't an Emperor at the time. Did you feel like you earned it back then ? And then, you strike again, and request a place in the semifinals, which was not granted this time, but I bet you would've felt like you didn't earn it, if you got it, and refused it in the end loool.
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Jinxer
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posted April 01, 2009 10:58 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 23:32, 01 Apr 2009.
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hahaha -- not sure how this always gets thrown back at attacking me... BUT...Anyways...
There is a HUGE BIG GIANT difference between having 150 games and countless hours invested in TOH games and being 20pts from emperor spot... then getting a win because of a bug..big difference....I can honestly say I EARNED the spot.. and for the record.. I offcially became Emperor just a couple days after the tournament started.. So YES I earned the spot..
About offering myself as a round 2 replacement.. again I laugh at you... I just didnt think it was right to just give a Free pass to next round without even playing somebody.. so yes I volunteered.... but if you read more closely.. I also said that I didnt care.. that if it wasnt me.. then PUT Fiur to play. I didnt Proclaim that I was the only one who deserved the spot.
I would not have accepted a win like that.. but thats just me... I also refuse to hit and run just to win... there are ALOT of nasty dirty tricks in this game... that altho yes.. they are part of the game... but I wouldnt use them just to get the win.. I much prefer to BEAT my opponent out right.. Just my personal opinion... Thats what I thought these boards were about.
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted April 02, 2009 11:28 AM |
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you have no problem exploiting a "bug" of ToH system and feel like you earned it, but you give advices to others on how to act in a buggy situation... and that's why you are a hypocrite.
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Strider_HL
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posted April 02, 2009 01:12 PM |
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Perhaps leaving Jinxer alone is the best idea. We all have the right to opinion. Besides, his ideas are about correcting game flaws and the fact that others don't agree, doesn't make those ideas less well-intended.
Sadly, negativity of my and Kis heated emotions is spreading... Zilo will post replay from my balrog garrison. Hopefully it will divert attention to the core of subject again
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted April 02, 2009 01:19 PM |
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That's right less talky more gamey .
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Zilonite
Famous Hero
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posted April 02, 2009 06:20 PM |
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted April 04, 2009 12:04 AM |
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Quote:
Well.... I think the point is... the sim turn is supposed to break BEFORE the players even have the chance to interact... this is where the BUG part comes in... AND on top of the... the sim turn should Break at the END of a turn. Not in the middle.
Again.. This is a turn based game.. the game is designed so each player has equal turns to plan and decide there moves without fear of running to real time opponent. So for some random occurance to allow a real time encounter to pop up outta no where... is not fair and goes agasint the nature of the game. Keep that in mind. Clicking the WIN button on TOH page should NOT be the ONLY thing that matters. How you play the game and get the win should matter. Win with Honor and EARN it.. where is the Pride in clicking win because of a technicallity.. and bug in the game.
no more comment needed....!! damn well Jinxer....
(yes fiur is back.... )
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted April 04, 2009 07:50 AM |
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Damn, bugs everywhere, we are doomed
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Zilonite
Famous Hero
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posted April 05, 2009 01:32 PM |
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 05, 2009 02:02 PM |
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I expected something like that after seeing strider's retreating replay. Sylvan's damage was outrageous not counting avenger, however fortress lacked the good runes. Would still lose but would look less of a massacre
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted April 05, 2009 02:56 PM |
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There was nothing he could have done... 10 thanes more lol even 20 more wouldn't have changed the outcome of that battle.
And yeah the dmg was ridicolous not even Retribution oO. Weird... what week was it?
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted April 05, 2009 06:14 PM |
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This time Ylthin showed no mercy. Few to match this sylvan godlike hero on this map. Helmar certainly is the one. I was afraid that with the help of rune-researcher Inga, they could collect all runes, which is a real power in final fights.
It seems to me, that Strider was unlucky this time. Inga could not get any rune except of berseking/charge.
I managed to screw extremely well my first week, one movement point stopped my secondary to land on day 6 at dwelling island. Two movement points missed to merchant, so I could not buy a second boat. This mass was a huge problem, but as it is happened in our games with Strider, landing second at the mine zone did not mean anything.
We broke to the bird garrison same time, then our routes aparted, I took balrog garrison and rushed to the cente, Strider wanted to take nero garrison first. Thats where I was able to catch him.
After he surrendered, my aim was to clear the centre and gather all. Meanwhile he took balrog garrison, and after that he came to centre too.
I could have attacked higher garrison also collecting last piece of dwarfen set, but I hoped that extra 3 attack from fortious sanctuary and Helmar's low mana capacity (80) are important enough to attack his main instead. When I saw that he does not have tactics, I knew the game is over.
I think that if Strider has enlightment insted of wm, and tactics instead of flaming, the result even with these poor runes could be different.
Its 2-2 now. Final soon.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted April 05, 2009 10:19 PM |
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No matter ho win this semifinal, big thanks and congratulation to semifinalists Kispagat and Strider for very nice presentation of this hot, emotional semifinal...
P.S. Don't think was massacre, massacre is then battle end in one or two turns
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