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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: Strider Hl-Kispagat Ceasar semifinal in TOH chatroom live
Thread: Strider Hl-Kispagat Ceasar semifinal in TOH chatroom live This thread is 17 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 · «PREV
SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
posted May 15, 2009 11:00 PM

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I agree on one thing, the replay is perfect and mega-lucky, ATB wise...

I have made some simple calculations... and it is pure luck to have waiting pixies before titans, not even close to 50% chance.

Check it out:

iATBp = initial ATB of pixies
iATBt = initial ATB of titans

Because pixies wait they have ATB 150 to burn.

So,

- formula is like this for pixies turns needed:
(150 - iATBp) / 15 = 10 - iATBp/15

- and like this for titans :
(100 - iATBt) / 10 = 10 - iATBt/10

From this two formulas it is obvious that
iATBt/10 has to be < iATBp/15 , which is very unlikely most of the times.

I also experimented this with 7 pixies on the battlefield 3 times... and the results seem to confirm my calculations.


Pixies waitng vs Titans ATB small statistic


I am not saying this is a proof of cheating, but a proof of pure luck in its highest state ... but since Strider said he can do it even easier without Pixie blockage, if he somehow manages to repeat this replay in unlucky ATB mode (maybe have save from there and load it with Kispagat, or simulate it somehow in map editor) than we can safely say he didn't cheat.


Hello, just wanted to say that for 1 sprite stack vs 1 titan stack, it looks like about 33% chance of waiting sprite going before titan.
(if initial atb is truly random for all stacks but sprites were fastest on one side vs titans slowest on other side)

So 2 sprite stacks would mean at least 1 sprite stack going before titan in 56% [1-(2/3)*(2/3)] of cases which is not that rare... & it appears even if titans shoot first that with expert light regen & res & plenty mana & presence of AI shooting stack & previous practice that minimal losses could be reasonable.
[definitely NOT defending anyone, just looking at statistics]

Also wanted to say this was best thread on this board & learned a lot thru discussion of various strategies/tactics esp at the end so drama was not wasted on me!  Even played the map in single vs AI which is really great (altho slight sylvan advantage with regen/pristines & dark spellbook for light/dark sylvan & more attack/spellpower boosters & stormwind not toned down)

PS: would be good if someone renewed the replay links for games 1-3 because only got from latter part of game 3 til end.
Thanks
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LordMichal
LordMichal


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posted May 19, 2009 01:43 PM

Omg people Everybody want to win, but you are crazy Play it for fun If I lost, I lost. Never mind. Next time can be better. I canīt catch point about your homework, what is it? LOL And no fun here Where are some tournaments? What admins do for this leage?

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