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artu
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posted September 30, 2020 03:09 PM |
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Edited by artu at 15:20, 30 Sep 2020.
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blob2 said:
artu said:
Lion King takes place in Africa, so yes they paid tribute to African ancestry in the movie this time. Personally, I didnt even notice it while watching, I recognized James Earl Jones of course, who is also in the original and who is one of the most recognazible voices on Earth because; Darth Vader. But other than that, it’s not like they were talking like “yoo, what’s up my n...” or something. Why should the director consider himself a token when called upon such a project, he is a director with a friggin’ Oscar.
If you don't know Lion King, the original 1994 animation, was selected by National Film Registry as "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" https://variety.com/2016/film/news/national-film-registry-2016-the-birds-the-lion-king-thelma-louise-1201940318/
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And are you claiming Moonlight also won all those awards because of politics, because if you do, that is exactly what I call circular logic, if everytime something done by a minority succeeds, you’ll claim it’s because they are a minority, how do you tell when it has actual artistic value?
What the heck? Where did I claim such a thing. The only point of my post was that a guy who so far made dramas and biopics suddenly gets to be a director of a family-friendly adaptation of a cartoon. Did they maybe propose to him making a live adaptation of "An American Tail"? No.
And Barry Jenkins is USA born director. He can very much know about his african ancestry only from books.
1- What does that have to do with the CGI version paying tribute to African ancestry? It doesnt make it less nationally significant.
2- I was referring to these words of yours: “ Meanwhile movies will be evaluated based not on their artistic values, but percentage of minority representations. Aside from box office results ofc, becasue this is another great point of reference right?”
A director can move between genres, it’s not like family friendly kid movies require the most artistic talent. As I said, the problem was the CGI in the first place, no more facial expressions like in the original. Hyperreal is cold.
3- He’d still have the emotional bond, you dont have to be born in there. The Italians I was refferring to are also “Italian-Americans” but cultural bond can still play as an advantage.
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posted September 30, 2020 04:13 PM |
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artu said:
1- What does that have to do with the CGI version paying tribute to African ancestry? It doesnt make it less nationally significant.
It's yet another phony declaration to show that "Disney cares". I wouldn't be even surprised if they made him say these words to the media. They present it as something eye-opening, yet the animated flick was already good at depicting African culture and paid tribute to it. The CGI movie is basically a goddamn BBC documentary with animals, yet they still make a big deal out of it.
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2- I was referring to these words of yours: “ Meanwhile movies will be evaluated based not on their artistic values, but percentage of minority representations. Aside from box office results ofc, becasue this is another great point of reference right?”
This is were you overinterpreted it. I was not evaluating Moonlight, even if the movie was good is in the opinions of critics. I am pointing out that movies are getting more and more about "ticking boxes" rather then about showing an artistic vision. Imo decisions made about Lion King CGI 2 only proves it. The timing is too suspicious.
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A director can move between genres, it’s not like family friendly kid movies require the most artistic talent. As I said, the problem was the CGI in the first place, no more facial expressions like in the original. Hyperreal is cold.
Ah yes I knew you will bring out this argument, that a director is not bound by a genre. But tell me, what was the motivation for hiring him then? Aside from him being a popular director (isn't Hollywood full of them?) and having "African ancestry". What made Disney decide on him? "Hey the guy makes reflective dramas, he will be perfect for a CGI family movie with talking animals". You miss the fact that it's all very well timed and accented (an award winning BLACK director who could've guessed), but because it plays on human emotions and political situation in USA (as in SELLS), it is presented as something to boast about.
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3- He’d still have the emotional bond, you dont have to be born in there. The Italians I was refferring to are also “Italian-Americans” but cultural bond can still play as an advantage.
And what does emotional bond have to due with actually bringing something substantial to the table? If we're talking about his references, there are none. He was born and raised in USA. You pick a guy either because he has experience or there is marketing value behind it. Ah yes, maybe because he has the moral right as per his skin color? Yeah right as if Disney was ever interested in that on management level. Maybe I too should refer too my African ancestry, aren't we all from Africa to begin with?
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posted September 30, 2020 04:56 PM |
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I think, in the case of Lion King, since it is a Disney tale, the emotional bond is not too important, since the movie isnt about actual African culture and all cast being African-American is just a symbolic gesture. If what you’re trying to point out is that the gesture itself is insincere and just a marketing strategy, in a sector where people spend millions to make millions, that is partly inevitable. But it can be both, it can still be a nice gesture as well.
If we skip Lion King and return to the general concept, as in Polish making movies about Poland or Italians making movies about Italy etc, even if they are born in America, the emotional bond to the cultural heritage can still be meaningful, because it will mean that culture had been an important part of your life and identity since you knew yourself and that is of course different than studying it from a book. America is a place where such communal identities co-exist with the national one. Italian-Americans arent Italians born in Italy, but there is an Italian-American community staying in touch with the ancestral culture. So it’s not like they are 100 percent assimilated.
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posted September 30, 2020 06:09 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 18:28, 30 Sep 2020.
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artu said:
I think, in the case of Lion King, since it is a Disney tale, the emotional bond is not too important, since the movie isnt about actual African culture and all cast being African-American is just a symbolic gesture. If what you’re trying to point out is that the gesture itself is insincere and just a marketing strategy, in a sector where people spend millions to make millions, that is partly inevitable. But it can be both, it can still be a nice gesture as well.
I'm glad you somewhat noticed what I was trying to point out here. It's a business, and it's disgusting because everything can be exploited, even when it comes to evaluating people's worth in terms of who to hire and then trying to convince it was not a decision dictated by marketing reasons. And it will only get worse from here on out, as Hollywood tries to tick as many boxes as possible.
The "nice gesture" thing is... probably insinscere at best, but as long as it's a selling point they will use it. Wrapping something in a "we care", "we're giving a chance" packaging is the most exploited marketing strategies ever. But guess I didn't stumble upon freshly revealed truth here... https://www.theringer.com/movies/2020/9/30/21494349/barry-jenkins-lion-king-sequel - as you can see it already generates questions, but how can you criticize this touching story of "giving a chance to one of the most talented directors of this generation", alas one who hasn't so far tackled the "big blockbuster" scene. Ah yes Disney "loves" taking risks. They will always be able to defend their decision, especially cus the film will earn milions. And even if it turns out s*it (as many sequels to self-contained stories turn out to be) the general audience will think "oh hey, it's a nice gesture at least". Hope it actually won't bring more harm then benefits to this ambitious director.
artu said:
If we skip Lion King and return to the general concept, as in Polish making movies about Poland or Italians making movies about Italy etc, even if they are born in America, the emotional bond to the cultural heritage can still be meaningful, because it will mean that culture had been an important part of your life and identity since you knew yourself and that is of course different than studying it from a book. America is a place where such communal identities co-exist with the national one. Italian-Americans arent Italians born in Italy, but there is an Italian-American community staying in touch with the ancestral culture. So it’s not like they are 100 percent assimilated.
If it was only so, then this is reasonable. But unfortunately in this day and age culture or ancestry is still used as a bargaining chip, especially when you need to get ahead of someone, something we should be getting away from.
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posted September 30, 2020 07:23 PM |
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The point is, apart from the gesture, the film didnt fail because they picked a talentless director only because he is black, the film failed because such CGI doesnt have the same effect as the animation when it comes to expressions, your article seems to share that observation of mine, so I’d say you’re reading too much into it.
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posted September 30, 2020 07:38 PM |
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artu said:
The point is, apart from the gesture, the film didnt fail because they picked a talentless director only because he is black, the film failed because such CGI doesnt have the same effect as the animation when it comes to expressions, your article seems to share that observation of mine, so I’d say you’re reading too much into it.
The general accusation was that, aside from emotionless facial animations, the movie was too much of "safe play" and almost a total retelling of the original story with nothing substantial added... and the film didn't "fail" on any level, becasue it generally is regarded as a "polished, satisfying entertainment". Plus the numbers. As it's universally known the numbers aren't a fail either. The movie failed to leave a lasting impression, but there's actually no reason to go out of their way whatsoever and hire an ambitious director for the sequel. And that's the funny part in it all...
But wait till you see the premise of the sequel: "While The Hollywood Reporter said the film would be a prequel about Mufasa during his formative years, Deadline said it would be a sequel centering on both Mufasa's origins and the events after the first film, similar to The Godfather Part II."
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posted October 10, 2020 11:13 AM |
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just watched the trailer for "fatman" with mel gibson. kid puts out a hit on santa claus. hijinks ensue. looked entertaining, to say the least. i'm reminded of the "christmas special" in the movie "scrooged". 
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posted October 12, 2020 06:55 AM |
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posted October 13, 2020 08:46 AM |
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Idk, every time I rewatch Ring of the Nibelungs/Die Nibelungen/Curse of the Ring/Sword of Xanten it never ceases to be entertaining and emotional (why the **** does this movie have so many names lol?!).
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artu
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posted October 13, 2020 09:17 AM |
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Edited by artu at 09:18, 13 Oct 2020.
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I just watched Knives Out. Old-school murder mystery with great cast and a clever twist. I miss movies like these and Daniel Craig was surprisingly good as a Poirot kind of detective.
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posted October 13, 2020 10:32 AM |
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artu said:
I just watched Knives Out. Old-school murder mystery with great cast and a clever twist. I miss movies like these and Daniel Craig was surprisingly good as a Poirot kind of detective.
Maybe I would watch it, but Ryan Johnson in the directors seat successfully discourages me to...
I watched Enola Holmes, and must say it was better then expected. Not to say it's memorable, but it's made quite good as far as "good ol' England" goes.
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posted October 13, 2020 11:38 AM |
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Edited by artu at 11:39, 13 Oct 2020.
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No director could save the Star Wars franchise, which is an overmilked cash cow at this point.
This was not only directed by, but also written by him and as someone who read a lot of Agatha Christie myself, I can say it is a perfect homage. There are a series of twists, which could have been overplayed and gone wrong at any time but he makes it all makes sense, which is hard. The moment you think you got it figured, you keep getting both wrong and right.
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posted October 13, 2020 02:16 PM |
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artu said:
Daniel Craig was surprisingly good as a Poirot kind of detective.
If Poirot was incompetent in his job, then yes 
I did like that film quite a bit, the feels were great. That was subverting expectations in a smart way, it was good writing. Maybe he learned from Last Jedi what went wrong, in addition to not using well established characters so there is no backlash.
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posted October 22, 2020 01:20 PM |
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IO
Surprisingly good movie with a nice twist.
I think the reason so many people didn't like it is because the main character was somewhat emotionally flat and socially awkward, but that was the whole point because she grew up in isolation studying stuff all day.
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artu
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posted October 23, 2020 07:39 AM |
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Kipshasz
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posted October 24, 2020 03:18 PM |
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artu said:
29 every day items used as movie/tv props.
The 9 volt Lego train controller was the best.
With CGI you see this type of prop making less and less.
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posted October 24, 2020 05:14 PM |
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Kipshasz said:
artu said:
29 every day items used as movie/tv props.
The 9 volt Lego train controller was the best.
With CGI you see this type of prop making less and less.
The so called magic of cinema. No wonder LotR trilogy, which had so many handcrafted props, holds this well after all those years...
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posted November 21, 2020 12:23 PM |
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just watched "fatman" with mel gibson. most of the movie is good; but the ending was lamer than lame. the ending reduced the entire movie into a parent's wishlist for unruly and foul children; one of those fantasy "this movie tells a moral lesson we should all learn from; despite the fact that i'll go back to accepting no responsibility for my own actions irl"-type bs.
hollywood did the same thing with so many movies with different messages; catastrophic event "global warming/overpopulation" themes being a glaring example.
really, it's an exhausted trope, but maybe it'll reach some people. most likely, not.
they also replaced santa's wife with a black woman for mel's celebrity "i'm not racist" comeback into mainstream. what tripe, but at least she was a decent actress that played the part well. i can say i liked her better in this than any other movie she's played a part in(where she seems typecast as an unlikable antagonist of sorts; so maybe this is a "comeback movie" for her as well. or, just a change of pace for her acting career).
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posted November 21, 2020 09:23 PM |
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Mel Gibson didn't really disappear from Hollywood he just mostly phased into directing as he aged, and he's really good at it because as an actor he mostly wore one hat, which was "enraged guy who suffers a great injustice goes on massive killing spree".
Apocalypto and Hacksaw are the best. As an actor, Blood Father was really good. Druggie daughter shoots cartel boyfriend, gets chased after by a sicario, yadda yadda.
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posted November 21, 2020 09:31 PM |
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i have yet to watch apocalypto with english subtitles. i watched it not knowing what any of the characters were saying, but still got the gist of everything.
unless they were talking about waterfowl...
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