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angelito
angelito


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posted May 31, 2009 08:55 AM

I hope you don't write a walkthrough for the whole map.

A little bit of thinking isn't a bad thing to do while playing such a great map.


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Salamandre
Salamandre


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Wog refugee
posted May 31, 2009 09:08 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 09:15, 31 May 2009.

I always was against telling to the player what to do. Koni can confirm it. But when 90% of players give up on the first challenge, I have to accept the evidence.

Those who like the challenge will improvise, those who just wanna enjoy without too much effort will follow my instructions. Unfortunately the majority of the HoMM skilled players never accepted WoG as an option, so the challenge is now addressed to beginners. They can enjoy also, with a bit of help, and then become better and better.

Still I did not covered the battles and as well 1/3 of remaining quests. And the battles are tough. Fortunately the custom difficulties will allow them to all.
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Aleee
Aleee


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posted May 31, 2009 11:23 AM

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If need I can provide you a clean version, where all the objects can be visited from the first day.


It would be very nice if you did it. I suppose my e-mail can be seen in the profile.

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Hermetic
Hermetic

Tavern Dweller
posted May 31, 2009 12:43 PM

Salamandre, are you sure that the Beast is invincible before killing right dragon ? I let the dragons to kill Gorgo and attacked the beast, it died after 1 hit

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Koni
Koni


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posted May 31, 2009 02:00 PM

And how do you want to progress in the game with a dead Gorgo?  
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Hermetic
Hermetic

Tavern Dweller
posted May 31, 2009 02:28 PM

The answer is I don't want to I just wanted to check it

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Alustor
Alustor


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posted May 31, 2009 02:38 PM
Edited by Alustor at 14:40, 31 May 2009.

all went fine with leo until that champion trainer...is annoying.those mines spawn randomly only in the corners of the screen.how the @#$% should i make the champion walk over those?and btw,how does charge ability works? ,it doesn t seem to have a pattern,it attacks you from all directions no matter you are above or under him

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted May 31, 2009 02:53 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 14:55, 31 May 2009.

I imagined that some will fail at this, and put the rewards from war trainer to occur after the player did 7 trainers, and not 8. You can skip this. The charge uses the same pattern. Once you get the idea, you know how he moves and it is easy to avoid him, but it is long and you can't do the smallest mistake. Skip him for now if annoying.

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Salamandre, are you sure that the Beast is invincible before killing right dragon ? I let the dragons to kill Gorgo and attacked the beast, it died after 1 hit


Indeed, the beast is easy to kill after Gorgo enters dragons lair, not after she gets the armor. Good luck in your game without Gorgo.
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Alustor
Alustor


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ooo da :)
posted May 31, 2009 02:57 PM

he s not smarter than me , stupid 5k lifed champion.i ll show him who's boss

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Hermetic
Hermetic

Tavern Dweller
posted May 31, 2009 02:57 PM

The first trainer was the champion If you get idea how the charge works, it is really easy. I've got problem in assasin training.. Thb I don't know what are the rules.. Am I supposed to kill the trainer and wyverns leaving the gryphons ? And no casualties means I cannot lose even 1 spartan, or they cannot be hit too ?

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted May 31, 2009 03:02 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 15:09, 31 May 2009.

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Thb I don't know what are the rules.. Am I supposed to kill the trainer and wyverns leaving the gryphons ? And no casualties means I cannot lose even 1 spartan, or they cannot be hit too ?


The trainer says:
"The master will teach you to to become a deadly assassin.  Not for a cheap price though, as you have only two rounds to defeat me and my poisonous minions. No casualties allowed. Bonus:  berserk & shooting ability."

Thus those are the rules: kill anyone before round 1 (round one is zero actually), no casualties allowed.

Do as I said in my walkthrough.

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he s not smarter than me , stupid 5k lifed champion.i ll show him who's boss


Thats the way
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Hermetic
Hermetic

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posted May 31, 2009 03:07 PM
Edited by Hermetic at 15:10, 31 May 2009.

The point is I don't want to use walkthrough
Hipothetically I've got 2 rounds, but at the end of the starting one I always lose.. no matter which creatures die, or if any spartan dies..

EDIT

nvm.. tried to split stacks before battle and it worked.. Thought that every trainer battle is planned thus we cannot use split Going to try everything again

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted May 31, 2009 03:11 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 15:27, 31 May 2009.

Yes, you must lose nothing. It is a 10 seconds trainer. Just think: kill anyone on the first round, using berserk and remaining out of the shooting close area of the zealot. Not so hard. You can split, of course. The zealot MUST be poisoned by the wivern, and the wivern MUST attack the zealot.

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Hipothetically I've got 2 rounds, but at the end of the starting one I always lose..


You are right, I will correct the trainer dialog: you have only 1 round, not two.

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all went fine with leo until that champion trainer...is annoying.those mines spawn randomly only in the corners of the screen.how the @#$% should i make the champion walk over those?and btw


If you look carefully you will notice that if you cast too many quicksands, they are placed in the middle, so the mines will place outside the center. So you have to cast only a few quicksands, not too many, to allow mines to be placed also in the center. Do not cast again mines until he made them explode, then cast again. The main reflex is to cast many quicksands to feel safe. But it is an error.
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Aleee
Aleee


Known Hero
posted May 31, 2009 03:34 PM

Have to say that puzzles are really nice. I saw a script of competition like "Prepelaos the Gamer" but there it's scripted wonderful: dragons rule.
Btw, hope you'll find time to send me that clear map version.

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Hermetic
Hermetic

Tavern Dweller
posted May 31, 2009 04:18 PM

Hmm, the one challenge with rust dragons is beatable ?Hitting the lich with the stronger unit and moving the weak on strategical spot.Now got two combinations, hit the rust dragon once, so it will retaliate and damage the lich too and with the stronger spartan hit the lich (able to cast death ripple and kill the rusts but the lich still lives..) Or hitting the rusties two times, killing the lich but dragons stay alive..
I feel stupid ^^ Last trainer

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vancho1
vancho1


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Learning
posted May 31, 2009 07:38 PM

How do you find the Axe which you need to get the sword?

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted May 31, 2009 07:51 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 19:52, 31 May 2009.

@Hermetic:

hit the lich with the stronger and move the other on the top side, at 3 squares from the rust. Second turn, hit the rust with the strong, he will retaliate 140 damage, the lich has 120 HP, so she dies. Then cast death ripple.

Vecho: it says to send Gorgo to castle Claghorn. (look at locations). That one is a nice random created labyrinth by Jim Vogan. Once in the labyrinth, collect the key and the axe. Once you collected them, an exit will appear randomly. Could be south, west etc. Search for it while being careful about the minotaurs who follow you.The axe will be automatically given to Leonidas.

@Alee: I was thinking that it is best to wait that someone finish it without bugs. Would be hard to start a translation only to find that I modified text later. But if you want to start now, tell me and I will send.
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Alustor
Alustor


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posted May 31, 2009 11:27 PM

all went fine after all until the second wave were the titans appear,they simply raped me )

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted May 31, 2009 11:35 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 23:49, 31 May 2009.

You will have to learn how to split your units and block shooters. Try a few combinations:

Shooters 2500x2 in center. Why in center? Because the titans have 14 speed thus they can reach the opposite corners but not the center (obstacles). The spartans in one strong group and 4x1.

Now kill one group of titans with the strong group while blocking the 2 titans with 2x1 spartans. Your archers kill one group and next turn you are done. Don't forget to teleport your strong spartans group after they attack (first turn) back, so they can't be hit by titans minions.
Casualties at worse: 4 spartans

It depends greatly of how Gorgo is doing her quests. By this time you should have 350 spartans at least. At 40-80 damage/unit they are a formidable force and attack twice.

Do you play at first level of difficulty? Then your spartans should have 1500HP, how can you be raped with such overpowered units?

Ah, and use melee attack to have two attacks. First choose melee in the defend box. If you go melee without selecting it, you will attack only once. Maybe thats why they raped you. It hurts?

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Hermetic
Hermetic

Tavern Dweller
posted May 31, 2009 11:54 PM

Hmm, done it before and again, even if i hit rust with the weaker one and the lich with the stronger, it has 5 life left.. no matter which rust retaliates :X 9/11 Att/Def on the rust with 50 dmg and the lich has 2 def.. Maybe something is screwed up ?

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