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AlHazin
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posted December 30, 2016 12:42 AM

Big guns for big problems. By the way our police has an infinite amount of Mercedes enforcers, we have a pretty wealthy police.

Ouch.

What about some gas, frostee?
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posted December 30, 2016 01:12 AM
Edited by frostysh at 01:14, 30 Dec 2016.

AlHazin said:
Big guns for big problems. By the way our police has an infinite amount of Mercedes enforcers, we have a pretty wealthy police.

Ouch.

What about some gas, frostee?

"The big guns" has been made not for a civilian "fun" in the rich countries...

This is do not matter how corruptive/expensive the government enforce structures is (in this case), and regardless how powerful weapons, explosives you will use (perhaps for an exception of the nuclear explosive ~ 50 megaton), you will be no match for the army or even for the police.

Perhaps the only one purpose of the holding the military arsenal in your basement, this is in case of a full scale war, and ahh, I do not know, a landing operation of the SU forces on the US territory i.e. , but in this case, the government of US will very easy, and in short terms, provide the peoples with an enough amount of weapons/ammo, this is obviously *_|O| .
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posted December 30, 2016 06:43 AM
Edited by phe at 06:49, 30 Dec 2016.

frostysh said:
phe said:

everyone who is not criminal or mentally ill should be armed like this...
police and army are expensive, inefficient, corrupted etc...
what's more they create danger on purpose to justisfy their existence...
This expensive army and the corrupted police, will kick your assist so hard, that you will land on the surface of the Moon, if you will accidentally kill someone with your AK rifle, which is have a rapid fire mode, so you can easily imagine situation, when you started shooting with it into rouges, and one bullet hits the head of children on the street, right far hundred meters from you...
the weapon such AK rifles, have only "just for fun" purpose in the rich countries, for the 95% of the peoples.

Perhaps some criminals, and military guys will use it, right for what it has been made, but not a typo-civilians.


so you prefer armies which do shootings in schools (by the use of mind control) and cause wars,earthquakes etc around the world just to have something to do and spend a lot of your money for equipment and personnel...they don't even eradicate criminals...prefering corruption...they don't implement important technologies like antigravity...again because of corruption and reluctance for changes (they would turn out unnecessary)...
guarding oil industry and other lobbies is for them more important than guarding children and people...
similar case with police..they don't catch all criminals because of corruption(which means incorrect working) and because of this that they would be less needed if they would deal with criminals...
army, police and secret services along with rest of red-tape are kind of trade unions...they should not have influence on government and they should not have voting rights...
as we saw in Nice in Berlin you can do more damage driving a truck than having a gun...if people had had guns such criminals would not exist and these events would not happen...for sure these terrorists were under mind control of secret services....

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posted December 30, 2016 06:48 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 06:52, 30 Dec 2016.

There you have it. To anybody that's been in the military or chose law enforcement as a career or something auxiliary related to either, or who has a child or parent or relative or friend or special someone in such a profession: your proper place is to be a house ****** that's not allowed to vote.

Why be afraid of fictional oppression when  we have it authentically right here?
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posted December 30, 2016 10:01 AM
Edited by AlHazin at 19:14, 30 Dec 2016.

frostysh said:
"The big guns" has been made not for a civilian "fun" in the rich countries...


A nonsense it is. "The big guns" has been made for a military "fun" in the poor countries. But arrrfff, hmmmm... hehe I don't know, mr/ms Frostych, what you mean by a frostych.

Sarin gas ftw!

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posted January 04, 2017 05:21 AM

phe -
phe said:
so you prefer armies which do shootings in schools (by the use of mind control) and cause wars,earthquakes etc around the world

I think, I have problem to catch meaning of your text, mr phe, but I can share some thoughts of mine:

1) Armies will do shooting everywhere, regardless of the name of building and it's purpose. If there are enemies, or exist a suspect about that, the building becoming a target.
But I have doubts that they will use firearms, more likely this will be a huge mounted cannons or explosive...

2) The many kinds of weapon has been made, or will be made, this is including chemical, biological, nuclear, electromagnetic, perhaps climate weapon, but it is only my speculations and fantasy, and I have doubts, mr phe, about your knowledge in the "mind control weapon", like in Star Wars series .
phe said:
just to have something to do

Hmm, Interesting, perhaps it is have some sense at all...
phe said:
and spend a lot of your money for equipment and personnel...they don't even eradicate criminals...prefering corruption...

And I have no doubts, you have a mega-successful model "How to deal with criminal stuff in the world", Oh you have no... No further questions.
phe said:
they don't implement important technologies like antigravity...again because of corruption and reluctance for changes (they would turn out unnecessary)...

mr phe, antigravity looks like a serious thing , again, I have doubts that you enough knowledge even in a classic gravity... It is a pure talks by you, nothing more.
In addition to that, some technologies can be a very dangerous, in example a Nuclear Weapon. Even a single modern submarine, equipped with full nuclear ammo, can drastically change a climate on the whole Earth, in case of this toys will be launched.
So you can imagine some submarine of DPRK with such toys, and their leader giving a command to attack, just because some problem with his "slave-underage-harem"
I think, if antigravity will be discovered and used, it will cause have the same problems.
phe said:
guarding oil industry and other lobbies is for them more important than guarding children and people...

Anybody can make an article, if he/she discover a new energy-efficient technology, that will replace the oil-industry, and sent the article for free to the internet vault, such as ArXiv.
I think, you are little overestimating the "level of control".
phe said:
similar case with police..they don't catch all criminals because of corruption(which means incorrect working) and because of this that they would be less needed if they would deal with criminals...
This is only your imagination. Perhaps you have did not saw the level of criminal stuff in the poor countries, look at it, and then try to say that police in the rich countries do not want to catch a criminals.
But, perhaps particularly you are right, the criminals cannot be defeated by 100%, without a radical , and an utopia like changes in the democratic societies.
phe said:
army, police and secret services along with rest of red-tape are kind of trade unions...they should not have influence on government and they should not have voting rights...

I have a fairy tale, an idiotic child-braindamaging anime - Evangelion. Still something interesting in this anime for me,  there is some organizations, like a N.E.R.V., the main purpose of which is "to defend". If this organization may have a downsized rights, like you saying, the Tokyo-3 will became a ruins with speed of sound.. .
In short - you, mr phe, talking about the utopia, like in a many ideologies of 20th century AD.
phe said:
as we saw in Nice in Berlin you can do more damage driving a truck than having a gun...if people had had guns such criminals would not exist and these events would not happen...for sure these terrorists were under mind control of secret services....
Whahhaaaaaaaaaa. My poor god.
Mr phe, how it is to be said... Just imagine a situation:

A high population density, modern city, such as Berlin. A street. There is a many peoples, walking around. Some of this peoples (which is civilians) have a military firearms, in example an assault rifles.
The truck starting to squashing peoples, someone take off his/her rifle and opens fire into truck.. Everyone is running, shouting, etc. Then the next one look at guy that shouting, and think - "OMG! It is a terrorist!", again, he/she taking the rifle from a bag, and opening fire in the direction of the shooter...
Now you need to understand the mechanism of reaction of the mob on shooting, the mob will not lay on ground, and make a retaliation with a grenade launchers , a bad joke, I know.. the civilian mob will RUN and RUN away (this is has been checked many times), if someone will lay on the ground, he/she will be squashed by a mob. As I know... the basic ammo of the any assault rifles is Armor Penetrating bullets, which is have a more hard points. So, again, you can imagine a damage that this weapon will cause to the mob, the peoples of which, obviously have no body armor...
Then the police will arrive, mr phe, please take the place of the officer, which looking at the mad piece of ... that shooting on the street from his/her assault rifle, and take into account that a police guy have approximately a few second to make a decision: " to shot, or not to shot", usually this is means "To kill, or not to kill".

This ridiculous situation will be not like a mr Shakespeare's drama, this will be like a casual, everyday Guinea's real life tragedy, but on the streets of the Berlin City...  
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posted January 04, 2017 06:44 AM
Edited by fred79 at 06:49, 04 Jan 2017.

frostysh said:
As I know... the basic ammo of the any assault rifles is Armor Penetrating bullets


wrong. first off, most firearm-owning civilians don't own "assault" rifles, since they are illegal. assault rifles are what the military and police use. secondly, armor-piercing rounds are illegal except for cops, feds, and the like. now, you are capable of buying both the "assault" rifles(which is a rifle that is designed with the explicit capability of firing more than one round when squeezing the trigger once) and armor-piercing rounds, with a class 3 weapons license; but that is only if you pass the feds' background check. and it's not only expensive($1,000 usd PER item), but there's a waiting period involved. i believe that waiting period is 3 months, but i could be wrong.

of course, if you're an upper-end criminal, you can buy both pretty easily. but most criminals aren't upper-end. and most civilians don't own a class 3 weapons license. so you have a very low probability of civilians owning either an "assault" rifle, or armor-piercing rounds. even less, when you consider that most people who HAVE a class 3 weapons license, aren't going to be going off the deep end any time soon. so it's more like a 0.1 possibility you're talking about.

if you're going to spout something, then know wtf you're talking about.

GODDAMNIT I WASN'T DONE. snowING WEB BROWSER.

i was going to add: but that's only in the u.s.

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phe
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posted January 04, 2017 12:31 PM
Edited by phe at 12:35, 04 Jan 2017.

frostysh said:

I think, I have problem to catch meaning of your text, mr phe, but I can share some thoughts of mine:
1) Armies will do shooting everywhere, regardless of the name of building and it's purpose. If there are enemies, or exist
a suspect about that, the building becoming a target.
But I have doubts that they will use firearms, more likely this will be a huge mounted cannons or explosive...


Mr frostysh
problem is that they use MC and telekinetic weapons for silly particular interest or without reason and victims are often innocent...
frostysh said:

2) The many kinds of weapon has been made, or will be made, this is including chemical, biological, nuclear, electromagnetic, perhaps climate weapon, but it is only my speculations and fantasy, and I have doubts, mr phe, about your
knowledge in the "mind control weapon", like in Star Wars series .


my knowledge is from real life, as being a victim of it...I don't know how it works...

frostysh said:

And I have no doubts, you have a mega-successful model "How to deal with criminal stuff in the world", Oh you have no...

No further questions.


answer is guns, self-defence, strict punishment, death penalty...
Quote:

mr phe, antigravity looks like a serious thing , again, I have doubts that you enough knowledge even in a classic gravity...


who does have this knowledge? for common folks is known that gravity exist around massive objects...and we know how to measure this force...few equations...but real knowledge about how it real works is secret...

frostysh said:

In addition to that, some technologies can be a very dangerous, in example a Nuclear Weapon. Even a single modern submarine, equipped with full nuclear ammo, can drastically change a climate on the whole Earth, in case of this toys will be launched.
So you can imagine some submarine of DPRK with such toys, and their leader giving a command to attack, just because some
problem with his "slave-underage-harem"  
I think, if antigravity will be discovered and used, it will cause have the same problems.


newer technologies are often cleaner than old ones (examples: coal steam engine and gasoline engine, atomic fission and
fusion, gasoline engine and hydrogen engine or antigravity )...however sometimes can be more dangerous...
frostysh said:

mr phe, talking about the utopia, like in a many ideologies of 20th century AD.


not utopia...beacuse of strict punisment it was possible to get rid of criminals centuries ago in Sweden and in China more than 1000 years ago... 20th centuries ideologies were backwarded...
frostysh said:

Whahhaaaaaaaaaa. My poor god.
Mr phe, how it is to be said... Just imagine a situation:
A high population density, modern city, such as Berlin. A street. There is a many peoples, walking around. Some of this peoples (which is civilians) have a military firearms, in example an assault rifles.
The truck starting to squashing peoples, someone take off his/her rifle and opens fire into truck.. Everyone is running,
shouting, etc. Then the next one look at guy that shouting, and think - "OMG! It is a terrorist!", again, he/she taking
the rifle from a bag, and opening fire in the direction of the shooter...
Now you need to understand the mechanism of reaction of the mob on shooting, the mob will not lay on ground, and make a
retaliation with a grenade launchers , a bad joke, I know.. the civilian mob will RUN and RUN away (this is has been
checked many times), if someone will lay on the ground, he/she will be squashed by a mob. As I know... the basic ammo of
the any assault rifles is Armor Penetrating bullets, which is have a more hard points. So, again, you can imagine a damage
that this weapon will cause to the mob, the peoples of which, obviously have no body armor...
Then the police will arrive, mr phe, please take the place of the officer, which looking at the mad piece of ... that
shooting on the street from his/her assault rifle, and take into account that a police guy have approximately a few second
to make a decision: " to shot, or not to shot", usually this is means "To kill, or not to kill".

This ridiculous situation will be not like a mr Shakespeare's drama, this will be like a casual, everyday Guinea's real
life tragedy, but on the streets of the Berlin City...

 
you can get the same result (like having a gun) driving a car or truck, having knife, simple physical force or carring a stone or brick...imagine you see terrorist in truck ...you use yourself and your car/truck to stop him by colission with him...some other driver see you on collission course with him takes you as terrorist and hit your car by his own to prevent you from your planned collission...the same if you have a knife...you see terrorist in TNT-vest and yoy want to stub him or punch with bare hand, or with stone or brick in your hands)...someone else seeing you with knife takes his own knife, fists, grabs a stone or brick and attacks you to prevent your attack... etc...
and it's the same situation...not guns cause this...

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AlHazin
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posted January 04, 2017 12:59 PM

fred79 said:
if you're going to spout something, then know wtf you're talking about.


Dude, remember you're addressing a special case...

Hey Frostee, I bought an RPG recently, it's pretty common cheap and useful here in Africa, wanna give it a try?
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posted January 05, 2017 02:18 AM
Edited by frostysh at 02:27, 05 Jan 2017.

fred79 -

Actually, the discussions has began from an image that depicting hollywood film "Terminator 2", and to be more preciously, the basement arsenal.
phe said:

everyone who is not criminal or mentally ill should be armed like this...
police and army are expensive, inefficient, corrupted etc...
what's more they create danger on purpose to justisfy their existence...
mr fred79, do you think on the picture is depicted the civilian weapons? And I few time repeated, about an exactly military purpose weapon in my posts, and it's only purpose for a civilians in the rich countries - "just for fun". Well, usually, before make an answer, I am at least reading something..., I think it is a good strategy, do you think the same, mr fred79?

I do not know much about all this licenses, and classes, but as you may know, such weapons like AK - assault rifles is a very common around the world. . .

phe -
phe said:
Mr frostysh
problem is that they use MC and telekinetic weapons for silly particular interest or without reason and victims are often innocent...
And I have no doubts, you hold mega-facts and evidence of using such kind of weapon . Because in the different case, thus will be an another religion like stuff...  
phe said:
my knowledge is from real life, as being a victim of it...I don't know how it works...
Usually, the emotion of the single human is a very unclear, and uncertain, I have doubts that a wise idea make a judgement only depending on that.
In short, do you really believe in this? Do you have any other clues?
phe said:
answer is guns, self-defence, strict punishment, death penalty...
Mr phe, the answer is - utopia. You, as many others, trying to apply your primitive model, to the complicated human society, and you are already failed. i.e. inside of Sharia-laws, radical Muslim government, even a children 15years old have a military weapon (firearm/knifes/even_explosives etc), and educated to use it in the proper way for a self defense. Even for a little crimes, there can be a death penalty, or at least a hand or penis cutting , yeah a bad joke, but a true.
Trough a history of human civilization, almost always peoples was armed, and for the little crimes was a hardcore tortures and death penalties. And so what?
phe said:
who does have this knowledge? for common folks is known that gravity exist around massive objects...and we know how to measure this force...few equations...but real knowledge about how it real works is secret...
Mr phe, how it works, it is the question the answer of which, perhaps required an experiments  in volume below than a so-called Plank Volume, which not so easy task. <imo>. I will not say, that all experiments in this direction is public, but for now Scientific community is open and free like never before. So you are talking a nonsense.
phe said:
not utopia...beacuse of strict punisment it was possible to get rid of criminals centuries ago in Sweden and in China more than 1000 years ago... 20th centuries ideologies were backwarded...
Whahahhaha. mr phe, fire off this is a little bit nonsense, second off do you realized a difference in the population density, an population number, etc ? I even do not talk about all other factors.
phe said:
you can get the same result (like having a gun) driving a car or truck, having knife, simple physical force or carring a stone or brick...imagine you see terrorist in truck ...you use yourself and your car/truck to stop him by colission with him...some other driver see you on collission course with him takes you as terrorist and hit your car by his own to prevent you from your planned collission...the same if you have a knife...you see terrorist in TNT-vest and yoy want to stub him or punch with bare hand, or with stone or brick in your hands)...someone else seeing you with knife takes his own knife, fists, grabs a stone or brick and attacks you to prevent your attack... etc...
and it's the same situation...not guns cause this...
Phahahaaaaaaa. Mr phe, a nonsense you are talking.
modern military firearm is far from a knifes, stones, etc is a VERY FAR FROM. Their using is far from using of knifes and stones for the same purpose too.
In short - weapons carrying allowing in the high density modern cities is a madness. This will make a zero help to the anti-terrorist stuff, this is obviously.
Mr phe, you are a far from a seeing results of its using weapons against civilian humans...



Do you want to look at such kind of pictures, on the streets of the some rich country huge city for everyday? This is a very hard to do with a knife, or a stone, but this is a very easy with the assault rifle, even a 12 year-old child can do it.. This is ridiculous.

Mr phe, you have a HELL no idea about how many time i.e. a police officer have to decide "kill or not to kill", if he/she spotted the ARMED WITH THE ASSAULT RIFLE guy. How many time for this guys is need, to turn back and shoot down the officer, 1 second? 2 seconds?
The officer have NO TIME to think, like a soldier on the war..
I do not know, from what a frigging source have you did obtain your ... thoughts about such weapon use, but, it is a far from reality.
You are proposing the utopia.
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posted January 05, 2017 03:29 AM

frostysh said:

Do you want to look at such kind of pictures, on the streets of the some rich country huge city for everyday? This is a very hard to do with a knife, or a stone, but this is a very easy with the assault rifle, even a 12 year-old child can do it.. This is ridiculous.

Mr phe, you have a HELL no idea about how many time i.e. a police officer have to decide "kill or not to kill", if he/she spotted the ARMED WITH THE ASSAULT RIFLE guy. How many time for this guys is need, to turn back and shoot down the officer, 1 second? 2 seconds? The officer have NO TIME to think, like a soldier on the war.. I do not know, from what a frigging source have you did obtain your ... thoughts about such weapon use, but, it is a far from reality.
You are proposing the utopia.



Mr frostysh
I propose guns for adults...I haven't heard so far about shooting massacre caused by 12 years-old kid in rich country where guns are common allowed...most of these shooting massacres are caused by mind control of secret services...a 12 year-old child can do it also by blowing up canister of gasoline or by driving farm tractor into crowd...if we bring prosperity to poor countries by getting rid of their debts, providing good scant taxation economy, providing good honest governments and eradicate criminality we will minimize the risk of wars there and use of weapons by children...

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posted January 05, 2017 10:39 AM
Edited by fred79 at 10:40, 05 Jan 2017.

frostysh said:
mr fred79, do you think on the picture is depicted the civilian weapons? And I few time repeated, about an exactly military purpose weapon in my posts, and it's only purpose for a civilians in the rich countries - "just for fun". Well, usually, before make an answer, I am at least reading something..., I think it is a good strategy, do you think the same, mr fred79?


good lord, you're even annoying to quote.

frankly, mr. frostysnow, i don't read nearly all of what you post; since your posts are an eyesore and you generally irritate whenever i'm able to decipher something you type through all the hullaballoo. but i somehow felt compelled when you were discussing something more serious than say, blahbadeeblahblah; and incorrectly stating something. so sue me for attempting to correct you. uneducated words and phrases thrown around in a serious topic have a way of sinking into the minds of people on the internet; which in turn end up being spewed out of THEIR fingertips. it's a cycle of stupidity that i fully intend to break, before people with THOSE ideas end up voting based on misinformation.

frostysh said:
I do not know much about all this licenses, and classes, but as you may know, such weapons like AK - assault rifles is a very common around the world. . .


all ak's are not assault rifles, and all assault rifles aren't ak's. your terminology is incorrect.

case in point. note the ak rifle below:



that rifle is not an "assault" rifle. it is a fully legal semi-auto(just like a pistol, which is a handgun with a magazine that holds rounds yet to be chambered; for those ignorant of what pistols are). and yet, when people without understanding look at it, they see an "assault" rifle.

it's prejudice, i tell you. prejudice. and that's against the coc. so unless you want a mod to give you a spanking, you can't go calling all rifles with a magazine "assault" rifles.

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posted January 05, 2017 02:12 PM

I see H4troll is derailing another thread successfully. I move that he be issued a penalty.


But the real question still stands. Is Corribus now fully using his 2nd amendment rights or not?
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posted January 11, 2017 06:34 AM
Edited by frostysh at 06:35, 11 Jan 2017.

phe -
phe said:
Mr frostysh
I propose guns for adults...I haven't heard so far about shooting massacre caused by 12 years-old kid in rich country where guns are common allowed...most of these shooting massacres are caused by mind control of secret services...a 12 year-old child can do it also by blowing up canister of gasoline or by driving farm tractor into crowd...if we bring prosperity to poor countries by getting rid of their debts, providing good scant taxation economy, providing good honest governments and eradicate criminality we will minimize the risk of wars there and use of weapons by children...
Nah... it is nonsense.

In some rich countries, some firearms are allowed, indeed. Perhaps you should as mr fred79 about a details of that , yeah.... Again, this firearms used mostly just for fun. But I have doubts, that in this countries the military purpose firearms are allowed to hold with you at the street, and only such kind of firearms usually a very effective against vehicles, i.e. a truck with the attacker, this is remarkable.

About mind control - what type mind control you are talking about, mr phe, because the internet-banners also is a kind of mind control . <imo>

About a gasoline, a farm tractors - it is ridiculous. The crucial difference between a gasoline, and a tractors comparing to the firearms, it is a purpose of which this stuff has been made.
Did you many times saw in the news-tv show about a gasoline or a tractor massacres that has been done by kids, in the US for an example?
Now you can remember the mass shootings in the schools with using of the easy sidearms, like a pistol, that has been done by kids...
Now you can imagine a 8-12 years kid with a machinegun in the US, like a in the many regions of the Africa, well, kids in the Africa is usually more tough, so they can easily hold and use such weapon, because they have early years experience and they are involved in the hard work from very early years... but I think the kid from US also can easily use a machinegun or an assault rifle, after he/she few times holds it.



And this is a crucial difference - the modern military firearm has been made for easy to use. just turn your firestick into the side of your target, and push the trigger. Anyone that have some arms, and primitive, can wound/kill a many civilian peoples with it.

About the global problems, such as situation in some regions - well, I think it is difficult, but yeah, particularly I have agreed with you, mr phe, if the powerful governments of the planet Earth, will decide to collaborate and stabilize situations and solve such problems, I think they will rich success very fast... But I think it is looks like a Sci-Fi movie history...

fred79 -

Mr fred79, you have made a mistake, talking about nonsense, without even reading a posts.. and now you are trying to deny it, by using this words-play... This is ridiculous.

In the film, the image from which you can find right above, depicted the military arsenal in the basement.. with granade launchers, explosives, assaults rifles, Gatling Cannon "minigun" , etc. Perhaps the all of this stuff, including the rifle that holds mr Connor, has been made from a paper, because this is a hollywood, but the point of discussion was not about the expertise of the weapons depicted there.

I have a hell no idea of what about you are talking, but again, I have a few times posted that I am talking about a military weapons, such as the assault rifles. And obviously, mr phe told about the same.

P.S. I have doubts, that weapons holds by the kids on the image right above, is a paper...
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posted January 11, 2017 11:51 AM

i didn't make any mistake. you just don't comprehend others, and you made the mistake(more than a few times) of associating military weapons with civilian weapons. period.

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posted January 11, 2017 03:49 PM
Edited by kipshasz at 15:52, 11 Jan 2017.

fred79 said:
i didn't make any mistake. you just don't comprehend others, and you made the mistake(more than a few times) of associating military weapons with civilian weapons. period.

You think this antifa troll knows the difference. He's biased to the core, like the rest of his ilk.


To him, this image of a glock with a gimmicky drum mag is also a full auto assault weapon.
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posted January 11, 2017 10:43 PM
Edited by phe at 23:01, 11 Jan 2017.

frostysh said:

Nah... it is nonsense.

In some rich countries, some firearms are allowed, indeed. Perhaps you should as mr fred79 about a details of that , yeah.... Again, this firearms used mostly just for fun. But I have doubts, that in this countries the military purpose firearms are allowed to hold with you at the street, and only such kind of firearms usually a very effective against vehicles, i.e. a truck with the attacker, this is remarkable.


even by simple gun you can shot dead a driver or shoot into tyres...so it's better if everybody has gun...you and your  gun is your first policeman and soldier...


frostysh said:

About mind control - what type mind control you are talking about, mr phe, because the internet-banners also is a kind of mind control . <imo>


direct control of people by use of electromagnetic waves; reading and inducing their thoughts remotely; causing and curing illnesses and others; search in engine for biopsychotronic weapons  

frostysh said:

About a gasoline, a farm tractors - it is ridiculous. The crucial difference between a gasoline, and a tractors comparing to the firearms, it is a purpose of which this stuff has been made.


BlizzardBoy gave about one year ago a link to movie about Japanese or Chinese soldiers successfully suicidal attacking Soviet tanks with barrels of gasoline fixed to the front of trucks...
purpose doesn't matter if result is similar; knives are made for cutting but we often hear about stubbing attacks in news;
baseball clubs were done for something else than using them by black people for chasing people at night in New York...isn't it better to have a gun then...  

frostysh said:

Did you many times saw in the news-tv show about a gasoline or a tractor massacres that has been done by kids, in the US for an example?  
Now you can remember the mass shootings in the schools with using of the easy sidearms, like a pistol, that has been done by kids...


gasoline and tractor massacres are possible anyway...before Nice we hadn't heard about truck attacks...
until one year ago and terror attack in Brussels I hadn't heard about Mother of Satan... it's made of common drugs...

frostysh said:

Now you can imagine a 8-12 years kid with a machinegun in the US, like a in the many regions of the Africa, well, kids in the Africa is usually more tough, so they can easily hold and use such weapon, because they have early years experience and they are involved in the hard work from very early years... but I think the kid from US also can easily use a machinegun or an assault rifle, after he/she few times holds it.


I can imagine them driving tractor or pick-up truck as well...or setting fire to buildings or gasoline transporting trucks with use of only one match-stick...


frostysh said:

And this is a crucial difference - the modern military firearm has been made for easy to use. just turn your firestick into the side of your target, and push the trigger. Anyone that have some arms, and primitive, can wound/kill a many civilian peoples with it.

About the global problems, such as situation in some regions - well, I think it is difficult, but yeah, particularly I have agreed with you, mr phe, if the powerful governments of the planet Earth, will decide to collaborate and stabilize situations and solve such problems, I think they will rich success very fast... But I think it is looks like a Sci-Fi movie history...


bad governments and criminals are affraid of guns so they do these massacres to discourage people to guns... they all need to be replaced and punished... they are too corrupted and too compromitated to rule...  

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posted January 12, 2017 12:19 PM
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kipshasz -

I have doubts that this pistol is comparable to the even the cheapest modern assault rifle.

phe -
phe said:
even by simple gun you can shot dead a driver or shoot into tyres..
*facepalm* ...
phe said:
so it's better if everybody has gun...
No, it is not. If the everyone in the high population density modern city will have and hold a gun, even a civilian gun, that will be a MADNESS, As I said before. Any simple "situation" on the street can easily be turned into a bloody-hell Honduras' carnage with a dozens of victims..
You are talking about utopia, mr phe.
phe said:
you and your  gun is your first policeman and soldier.
In the Guinea or Somalia - perhaps you are particularly right, but in this case you also need something long-range (mortar, or at least, large-cal. mounted machinegun), and company with you, that is helps, grenade launchers and grenades - by default, and obviously a truck, in the other cases, you will be an easy target and even the typo assault rifles may not save you. Oops, I have forgot about the most important weapon, without it, the all above mentioned stuff will be useless - the LUCK . Yeah, a bad joke.. I know.

But not in the US, or the other rich countries. In the rich countries all this stuff is useless. And pray to the all gods, mr phe, that this situation will be the same in the future. (of course, if you are in the rich and stable country )
phe said:
direct control of people by use of electromagnetic waves; reading and inducing their thoughts remotely; causing and curing illnesses and others; search in engine for biopsychotronic weapons
mr phe.. the Human Brain is a very difficult to explore.. Obviously, to perform such action you need to know a fundamentals and total structure of the brain (as I know, it is enigma for modern science even nowadays). Even in this case, I think you may need a very powerful, a very well directed, and preciously source of EM-stuff. I have doubts that it is so easy as you are talking.
And hell I have doubts that this stuff can be successfully applied to the large masses of peoples...
In general, I have a huge skepticism about your words, mr phe.
phe said:
BlizzardBoy gave about one year ago a link to movie about Japanese or Chinese soldiers successfully suicidal attacking Soviet tanks with barrels of gasoline fixed to the front of trucks...
purpose doesn't matter if result is similar; knives are made for cutting but we often hear about stubbing attacks in news;
baseball clubs were done for something else than using them by black people for chasing people at night in New York...isn't it better to have a gun then...  

Whahahhaha. I am sorry. First-off, it is a very bad idea to attack the any military vehicle with a truck and gasoline... Much more better idea, will be at least a 40 pounds of even hand-made explosive . About a tanks - The tanks, is usually come in the package with the angry guys that holds a heavy metal guns, that can easily stop the any civilian vehicle not by "shooting at tyres" . I am joking.

Mr phe, you have forget about a a crucial difference between archaic stuff of war, and modern.. The knifes, sticks, etc little bit different by terms of "easy to use", and so-called "effectiveness", to be more preciously - how it's lethal, in this case.

If everyone will have a gun, mr phe, rouge guys will obviously holds the guns too, and they will start shoot first, usually from the ambush (like you perhaps, saw in the hollywood movies about Somalia), and then, they will gather the guns and the money from the agonizing in the horrific suffering bodies. . .

If you want to allow in the high density modern cities to hold a weapon for everyone, you also need to allow the personal body armor for everyday, Something like that.



Damn son.. I have forgot, the bad rouges can use the small amount of explosive, a skilled marksman or a large cal. firearm to get you down. In this case we need something like that, to get through a problem district at night, with a "niggas" .



or like that



Omg.. omg.. we need a skilled crew too! But what, if the rouges will be not so stupid, and they will want to "expropriate" your costly weapons, armor, and vehicles with a well preapared ambush, with a special purpose anti-vehicle weapons,

In this case wee need a recon guys, and the 24/7 ready reinforcement guys better equipped with something very fast, like that.



And fro a landing



A frigging cool place will be modern rich country cities in this case. WHAhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh.
phe said:
gasoline and tractor massacres are possible anyway...before Nice we hadn't heard about truck attacks...
until one year ago and terror attack in Brussels I hadn't heard about Mother of Satan... it's made of common drugs...
If most of peoples on the streets of the huge rich country cities, will have guns, this is obviously will kill/wound MUCH more innocent peoples than all terrorist attack through history of mankind, for a very short time..
And in the end, this peoples will deny the weapon, by themselves, and return to the normal state...
phe said:
I can imagine them driving tractor or pick-up truck as well...or setting fire to buildings or gasoline transporting trucks with use of only one match-stick...
Mr phe, you can imaging much more, I have no doubts, but you see the history is full of evidiece of the mass-shooting in the schools of US, for an example, with a simple pistol, with a large amount of dead/wound. Can you provide me with an example of the such success with the kids, that using gasoline or a truck in the school?
Again, the assault rifle is not a poor pistol...
phe said:
bad governments and criminals are affraid of guns so they do these massacres to discourage people to guns... they all need to be replaced and punished... they are too corrupted and too compromitated to rule...  
Mr phe, are you from the Mars? Just go in the any of the poor "problem" countries, where is the MILITARY firearms laid in the almost every house (usually with the grenades, grenade launchers included, etc) and enjoy your "how things must to be". But I have feelings, that you will change your mind after a very short time...
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posted January 12, 2017 01:57 PM

frostysh said:
I have doubts that this pistol is comparable to the even the cheapest modern assault rifle.


see? you did it again. even after i explained it to you.

mods? can we do something about this troll?

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posted January 12, 2017 03:28 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 15:33, 12 Jan 2017.

phe said:

BlizzardBoy gave about one year ago a link to movie about Japanese or Chinese soldiers successfully suicidal attacking Soviet tanks with barrels of gasoline fixed to the front of trucks...



You see! He committed it to long-term memory. Education = successful.

The problem therein lies that you need to indoctrinate young men from a very early age to be dumb enough to do something like that, which is a lot of work. Japanese culture has a long & proud history of people being dicksuckers towards authority.

Of course the USSR has lots of soldiers do suicidal things too, but that's because they were sometimes as afraid of the guns behind them as they were of the ones in front of them.
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