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Wckey
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posted February 04, 2011 05:47 PM |
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Edited by Wckey at 17:51, 04 Feb 2011.
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Also the Vile Breeder has only 2 abilities, they should have much more abilities, the non-upgraded breeder can't even breed
I think they can breed, afterall why would we have an artwork for the imp. Its possible that they don't count the breeding as abilities, since flying also doesn't count as an ability.
So sisters can also ressurrect. That's good. Using the praetorian ability to defend other creatures and sister to ressurrect these praetorians could be an helpful strategy in early game.
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KingImp
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posted February 04, 2011 05:54 PM |
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I've been reading the abilities on the website and my head is spinning. plus, i still don't know who the ranged units in the inferno are. there's no clue anywhere as to who are the shooters are.
Thank God I'm not the only one who is completely baffled by what they are doing with that website.
It's nice to see they finally made some real additions, but I have to say I hate the way they explain the unit's abilities. Do they have to tell a fantasy story about each one instead of just explaining what they do? I mean unless I see an actual shooting device in a unit's hands, I can't tell who the shooters are in these factions. Do the Sisters shoot, do the Glories shoot, do the Succubi shoot, do the Breeders shoot?
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Valen-Teen
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posted February 04, 2011 06:05 PM |
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The breeder is only shooter in Inferno army. Russian insider said it three month ago. =P
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SBlister
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posted February 04, 2011 06:17 PM |
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Edited by SBlister at 19:23, 04 Feb 2011.
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Would any of the moderators be kind and patient enough to unravel the nonsense that is the creature abilities presented to us at the ubipage so we who are sane can understand it in plain and simple english.
i would like to hope so. and im sure im not alone in this.
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 04, 2011 06:27 PM |
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Would any of the moderators be kind and patient enough to unravel the nonsense that is the creature abilities presented to us at the nival page so we who are sane can understand it in plain and simple english.
i would like to hope so. and im sure im not alone in this.
Moderators? Nival?! 
Haven't you heard? Nival is out of the picture! It has been for quite some time now. Oh, you best be trolling!
And whatever do our moderators have to do with it? I think it's the insiders that you wanted, not the moderators. Anyway, the insiders can't reveal any information that Ubisoft doesn't intend for us to know yet. So your asking them for it, won't do any good.
Ubisoft wanted to give us descriptions, instead of numbers and stats. What's wrong with that? They were a nice and fun read. Besides, now it doesn't make much sense to know these kind of things. We will get to learn about them in the game.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 04, 2011 06:28 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 18:32, 04 Feb 2011.
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my guesses :
Skeleton :
Hollow bones = large shield
Webbing Spears : aura that decreases speed?
Ghoul :
Dead Flesh : similar to shield spell in homm3
Rage Against the Living : is stronger if alive creatures are present on the battlefield
Ghost :
I think everything is explained
Vampire :
Vampiric Embrace = life drain
Out of Time : when defending, they dodge the 1st attack
Vampiric Grasp : improved life drain
Lich :
Asha's Embrace : curse are cast at expert level or it is impossible to resist them.
Lamasu :
Aura of Putrescence : similar to searing aura
Breath of Vermin : similar to wasp swarm spell
Contagion : poisonous attack??
Fate weaver :
Freezing Web : bonus when defending, if they counter-attack when defending, their attack decreases the stats of the attacker
Dance of Decay : similar to the aging ability of the H3 ghost dragon. activated ability, affects everyone around the Fate weaver.
Sentinel :
Shielded : extra defense against flyers
Shieldguard : can move to receive an attack directed to an allie
Shield Bash : similar to retaliation strike, most likely an improve of Shieldguard
Crossbowman :
seems obvious
Sister :
Pacification : Similar to bash?
Griffin :
Diving Attack = Pack dive
Diving Assault : improved pack dive. either they choose where they will strike right before they land (instead of before taking off) or they can land whenever they want.
Radiant glory :
Speed of Light : Impossible to avoid the attack, even for ghosts
Searing Light = Blinding attack
Cleansing Light : when an enemy cast a dark spell, glories may automatically cleanse it.
Sun rider :
Blinding Charge : Blinds enemies who are adjacent to the targeted unit.
Seraph :
Blade of Mercy = resurrection
Blade of Judgment : similar to divine vengeance. increases the physical damage
Blade of Epiphany : improved blade of mercy
Absolute Purity : immune to curse. and possibly to mind spells too.
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maken
Known Hero
Hail Hydra!
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posted February 04, 2011 06:33 PM |
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So sisters can also ressurrect. That's good. Using the praetorian ability to defend other creatures and sister to ressurrect these praetorians could be an helpful strategy in early game.
I think they can't really really ressurect. I mean, if all units of the stack are dead you need a seraph/celestial or hero magic, but if there is at least one remaining in the stack they can bring more back to life.
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Wckey
Famous Hero
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posted February 04, 2011 06:33 PM |
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Edited by Wckey at 18:34, 04 Feb 2011.
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I think pacification is an ability that doesn't let creatures retaliate when vestals attack them.
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I think they can't really really ressurect. I mean, if all units of the stack are dead you need a seraph/celestial or hero magic, but if there is at least one remaining in the stack they can bring more back to life.
Still, a pretty good ability for a core unit.
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SBlister
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Rakshasa Commander
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posted February 04, 2011 07:19 PM |
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Edited by SBlister at 19:21, 04 Feb 2011.
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Would any of the moderators be kind and patient enough to unravel the nonsense that is the creature abilities presented to us at the nival page so we who are sane can understand it in plain and simple english.
i would like to hope so. and im sure im not alone in this.
Moderators? Nival?!
Haven't you heard? Nival is out of the picture! It has been for quite some time now. Oh, you best be trolling!
And whatever do our moderators have to do with it? I think it's the insiders that you wanted, not the moderators. Anyway, the insiders can't reveal any information that Ubisoft doesn't intend for us to know yet. So your asking them for it, won't do any good.
Ubisoft wanted to give us descriptions, instead of numbers and stats. What's wrong with that? They were a nice and fun read. Besides, now it doesn't make much sense to know these kind of things. We will get to learn about them in the game.
wow, one mistype and ur mind goes to depths i cant even imagine. lets break down ur entire argument down.
fine. u saw nival. uber geek know it all radars go off. my mistake. i was meaning to type ubi. point to you good sir/maam.
no idea what the trolling comment means. my internet speak is limited. u go on about nivals non involvement, i already know about it. blah blah. all from a typo. fine.
ubisoft didn't give descriptions. it gave us lengthy, pointless meanderings about stories iterated from one person to another without lending a clue as to what the ability is about in many of the cases. they were not nice, nor were they fun. the english was horrible. it was wordy in a bad way. they tried to make their stuff sound like literature but what it amounted to was beating around the bush with no point to be made. no it was not fun. it was infuriating.
no i mean moderators. i know insiders won't reveal anything. thats why im not asking them. im asking moderators cuz they're moderators for a reason. they're more knowledgeable in this stuff then the rest of us. so who better to go to if questions needed to be answered. no one i hear you say. thats correct indeed.
we will get to learn about them in the game. hmmm... thats one way to put it. but lets say you learn about it after you've purchased it, and it turns out to be complete s***. will you get ur money back? i would like to know everything bout the game before i buy it, so i know im spending my money wisely.
ur turn to rebute
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 04, 2011 07:38 PM |
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Goblin :
Crippling Traps = Set snares
Sneaky Strike : can turn invisible, deal more damage when invisible
Mauler :
Taste of Blood : similar to battle rage
Shielded = Large shield
Assault = double attack
Dreamwalker :
Sky and Earth = haste and slow spells
Sky and Earth Mass = mass haste and mass slow spells
Jaguar warrior :
Feral Charge : they strike without retaliation, if they have enough space to charge before the attack.
War Fury : He is immune to curse or mind spells if he has just attacked. he loses the immunity if he waits or defend.
All-around Slash = attack all-around
Centaur :
Vigilance : Automatically shoots creatures charging them?
Manoeuvre : similar to cowardice
Mobile shooter : can move and shoot in the same turn (or shoot and move)
Cyclop:
Slam : activated ability, pushes and stun adjacent enemies
Sunder : siege weapon
Mighty Slam : improved Slam, pushes enemies much further
Impervious to Pain : Huh what? they can fight even when dead??? 
Burning Rage : similar to lava breath
Hell Hound :
Eye of Gluttony : deals more damage to units that attacked him
Voracious : 2 headed attack
Maniac :
Twisted Mind : Immune to mind spells
Manic Laughter : Ignores a part of the defense
Succubus :
Pleasure in Pain : similar to fire shield
Seduce : there is a chance that creatures charging her will not attack her.
Rapture in Agony : upgrade of Pleasure in Pain
Chaotic Armor : either Armored or immunity against destructive spells
Unstoppable Charge : Destroy obstacles, might push creatures on their path.
Taunting Presence : similar to taunt in H5
Tormentor :
Retractable Spikes : activated ability, similar to explosion
Taste of Pain : is explained
Exploding Spikes : upgrade of Retractable Spikes, bigger range, similar to a shrapnell bomb I guess.
Breeder :
Mana Leech = Mana stealer
Proliferation : I guess they give birth to imps, and those imps after some time, become breeders themselves.
Hateful Retaliation : retaliates against every creature that has attacked him in battle. not sure how it makes a difference with unlimited retaliations 
Blinded by Rage : Immune to mind spells
Blade of Hatred : can cast fury
Boundless Hate : ????
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 04, 2011 07:58 PM |
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@SBlister
Just what kind of typo is writing Nival instead of Ubi? But oh well, no matter. I do too get confused some times and instead of saying Obama, I say Osama. 
Come on, their writing might not be the next best seller, but it's not infuriating even! I still think it was fun to read through...
Moderators know as much as we do. Ask and you shall see... They can only guess, and their guesses will be as good as yours unless you think they're smarter than you!
Well, don't buy the game in blind faith, ofcourse! That would be stupid. You're a member of this here good forum and you can ask about it, those who will buy it before you. That's what I intend to do...
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SBlister
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Rakshasa Commander
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posted February 04, 2011 08:01 PM |
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Edited by SBlister at 20:10, 04 Feb 2011.
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Can you imagine if you were playing the game and you took Inferno, and in the midst of battle its your turn to use the lilim. and you're new to the game, so you want to know what the lilim does, so you take your mouse and put it over the lilim help tip. and this pops up:
Rapture in Agony
A battle with a Lilim is an exhilarating experience that has given even the most faithful warriors pause for reflection. Each successful attack against the beautiful creature comes with a dose of delicious pain. The tale of Lord Harris who left his young bride to battle the Lilim Frissona a thousand times is told at wedding parties all over Ashan. It is politely considered a warning for the groom, but most brides consider it a warning for them to assure that their wedding night becomes an unforgettable experience for their new husband.
WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF ALL THIS BABBLE???
This was easily the most pointless description of the entire lot. By far. And I still have no clue what the writer is trying to say.
@kodial
what kind of typo is ubi to nival? call it lack of sleep, dyslexia or just plain absent mindedness. one of the three is the culprit.
its infuriating cuz it doesnt get the point through. ill give you an example. you're walking down the street lost and you see a cop. you ask the cop, do you know how to get to the train station. and the cop says:
"trains be big metal beast forged in pits of hell by pit fiends and hammers" lamented a drunk orc to his drinking pal the naga with syphilis on its nose one night two days after it rained when the pit lords and syphilis nagas fought at the foot of the mountain where trains are made.
does that answer your question? nope. infuriating? yup.
moderators know a lil more then we do. ive seen alcibiades answer my questions many times over. i trust their info.
exactly, buying the game in blindfaith is stupid. hence me trying to get the more informative members of the forum to crack to da ubi code.
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Wckey
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posted February 04, 2011 08:24 PM |
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Edited by Wckey at 20:27, 04 Feb 2011.
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MODEL: I kinda like her model, the hair could be much better but still its pretty cool, i'm sure they will add some light effects to her model, but i'm not really disappointed by her. 7/10
I think the hair will be better. Some models aren't on their final version. That's probably why there was already one update of the old creatures (Lich was the one with the most visible update) and why some creatures aren't in the screenshots. Afterall, they don't need to have the models on their latest version to test the creatures in-game.
Also, some models cleary aren't on their final version, like the fate spinner with her hair.
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Danny
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posted February 04, 2011 08:59 PM |
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Cyclop:
Impervious to Pain : Huh what? they can fight even when dead???
I'm not getting it either. Maybe Cyclops acts like a summoned creature after its HP goes to 0, it keeps fighting as long as it's not the last unit standing? Can't think of anything else...
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted February 04, 2011 09:50 PM |
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Impervious to Pain : Huh what? they can fight even when dead???
I think it's so simply that he gets a final turn after he dies.
But I' thrilled to find out, it sounds promising. 
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted February 05, 2011 01:43 AM |
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Edited by DarkLord at 01:47, 05 Feb 2011.
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buying the game in blindfaith is stupid.
i don't care if it's stupid or not, i am going to buy it no matter what!!! 
don't be soo cheap, if you are a fan of HoMM you MUST buy it, inspite all reviews and people comments.. even if it's sh** , you have to know it by yourself, rather than someone telling you about it..
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Aosaw
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Author of Nonreal Fiction
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posted February 05, 2011 02:39 AM |
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I think the idea to write lore-based descriptions of creature abilities came from somebody at Black Hole looking at the Diablo 3 website and saying, "Hey, they don't have any mechanical jargon on their site, we don't need to either!"
Not saying it's a bad idea, it actually increases the depth of the world they're trying to create for us, and it's an interesting concept. But when you couch your lore in terms of creature abilities, you're mixing concepts. A "creature ability" is mechanics. Describe it mechanically.
I don't mind the fantasy babble, as SBlister put it. But don't call the story a description of the ability. It's not.
But that's my review of the H6 website, not the creature abilities themselves. I'm excited to see the creatures actually in play - and I honestly don't care much what the abilities really do, and I won't care until they're in my army.
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SBlister
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posted February 05, 2011 03:40 AM |
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I think the idea to write lore-based descriptions of creature abilities came from somebody at Black Hole looking at the Diablo 3 website and saying, "Hey, they don't have any mechanical jargon on their site, we don't need to either!"
Not saying it's a bad idea, it actually increases the depth of the world they're trying to create for us, and it's an interesting concept. But when you couch your lore in terms of creature abilities, you're mixing concepts. A "creature ability" is mechanics. Describe it mechanically.
I don't mind the fantasy babble, as SBlister put it. But don't call the story a description of the ability. It's not.
But that's my review of the H6 website, not the creature abilities themselves. I'm excited to see the creatures actually in play - and I honestly don't care much what the abilities really do, and I won't care until they're in my army.
That is exactly it. You nailed it aosaw.
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KingImp
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posted February 05, 2011 05:55 AM |
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The breeder is only shooter in Inferno army. Russian insider said it three month ago. =P
Well considering I and I'm sure many others don't speak Russian or go to any of the Russian fan sites, then it's obviously not a well known fact.
I'll take your word for it, but exactly how does any of this drivel explain that the Breeder is a shooter?
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The Breeders were the result of Urgash crafting a material form that translated some of his own primordial drives. Specifically, the drive to consume mana and the drive to populate Ashan with hordes of creatures loyal to the dictates of Chaos. Bestowed upon Ur-Mespharoth, the Demon Overlord of Proliferation, the Breeder is an obese, pulsing mass of flesh that continually creates Imps. The Imps that she births are “spit” from the various orifices that randomly appear on her body.
Though this demon is almost incapable of movement, she constantly twitches and contracts with her insatiable need to procreate. This drive to reproduce eats her from the inside out, and much of her energy is consumed in efforts to control the mutations of her body. She will occasionally consume her own Imp offspring. She uses the mana energy that she ingests to impregnate herself, as nourishment, and to help her control the gruesome deformities that are created by her ceaseless cycle of birthing.
Breeder - Mother Breeder abilities
Mana Leech (Basic & Upgrade): Mana is a creative resource that allows one to make something out of nothing. The creatures of Ur-Aazheel, the Overlord of Proliferation, can smell Mana a mile away. Breeders not only rely on Mana to reproduce but can also channel its power from an enemy to their leader, whenever they are the target of an attack.
Proliferation (Upgrade): "Breeders breed fear. Breeder Mother breeds good reason." This Orc proverb used to illustrate the difference between an Orc of too many words and an Orc of action, draws it origins from the demonic creatures that they have fought bravely for centuries. Breeders multiply extremely quickly, and when one thinks that there are already a good number, there always seem to be a few more than originally counted.
At best it sounds like they just produce Imps like a Gating mechanism. Nowhere in that description does it even imply they shoot the Imps at the opponent.
I'm sorry, but they are taking the storyline aspect of this game a bit too seriously. It's bad enough they limited the factions because of the storyline, but these cryptic messages about the abilities is ridiculous.
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SBlister
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posted February 05, 2011 04:14 PM |
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Its not really cryptic. They just went to blizzard's websites and saw the awesome lore there and said hey we can do this to. unfortunately they have no good writers and in the process of making it sound cool and interesting, they've created this bizarre euro-trashy(not insulting any Europeans here, but you guys know and have seen and hate people who fall into that category too) version of how blizzard writes its lore bits and stories. hence the babble. blithering babble.
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