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Thread: US Presidential Race 2012 [ This thread is 59 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 (22) 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 ]
Elodin
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posted January 10, 2012 08:42 PM

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Could somebody tell me why people hate the "Everybody gets healthcare" Obama reform?



Short answer:
1) a mandate for a citizens to buy health insurance is unconstitutional and tyranical.
2) the US can't afford to provide everyone with health care.

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Or why "Some" here hate the democrats?



I am an independent conservative. I don't hate democrats but I do hate their Marxist ideologies and the wanton destruction such policies have caused in America.

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Brukernavn
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posted January 11, 2012 08:52 AM

The New Hampshire primary is over. Here are the results for those interested.

1 - 39,4% - Romney - 7 delegates
2 - 22,8% - Paul - 3 delegates
3 - 16,8% - Huntsman - 2 delegates
4 - 9,4 % - Gingrich - 0
5 - 9,4 % - Santorum - 0
6 - 0,7 % - Perry - 0

Romney winning second time in a row, this time with a much larger margin, as expected (New Hampshire being his home state). But he only did marginally better than '08, confirming that he is unsuccessful in winning new supporters.

Paul came in a strong second, almost tripling his numbers from '08. Again, doing very well with independents and young people. This will be a good momentum going into South Carolina.

Huntsman did terrible. He has invested everything on a win in NH, or a strong second. Placing a weak third is not what he hoped for. He said in the past that he would drop out if he didn't win. Now it looks like he'll keep going a little while longer. But I'm surprised if he doesn't drop out after SC.

Gingrich did just as badly as in Iowa, and has already invested millions to go after Romney in SC. This has become personal to him, and might get ugly. Since he finished below 10% he did not receive any delegates.

Santorum was not able to keep his momentum from Iowa that gave his campaign a boost. Coming in 5th before SC is not good. He also did not receive any delegates.

Perry has skipped NH altogether, and it shows. He went straight to SC, but after the poor showing in Iowa he needs to do really well there to keep going.

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Xerox
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posted January 11, 2012 09:31 AM

Not a whole lot of suprises there. Mitt Romney will win but Ron Paul will have gained A LOT of new supporters. It's so sad that he is so old now. :/

Well, now my excitement for the american election system is over. Now I think its boring and stupid. Two parties? And have both have equally terrible candidates?
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Corribus
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posted January 11, 2012 09:42 AM

No candidate who has won both Iowa and NH has ever gone on NOT to get the nomination.  Romney will also win SC.  McCain won SC 4 years ago and he was more liberal than Romney is.  Can we call it a game-set-match yet?  Then again, I was calling it game-set-match months ago.

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Brukernavn
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posted January 11, 2012 10:06 AM

Historically, yes, but the rules are different this time around. It's not winner takes all, the delegates are distributed proportionately. Also, when candidates drop out their delegates are redistributed among the remaining candidates. Remember that 75% of the GOP still want someone else than Romney.

This is how it looks at the moment:

"Soft" Delegates available: 2,249
Need to Nominate 1,144
Romney 13
Paul 9
Santorum 6
Gingrich 4
Perry 3
Huntsman 2

So far Romney has performed much worse than expected, and there are still many in the race. The more people start dropping out, the stronger the anti-Romney candidate will become.

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Damacon_Ace
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posted January 11, 2012 09:28 PM

The trend for the Republican race in 2012 seems to favour Romney, but I did expect him to win New Hampshire though. Iowa was a surprise though, for one moment I thought Rick Santorum (evangelical right) or Ron Paul (Friedman-style libertarian) will get Iowa, but Romney won by eight votes.

My only concern is the South, where many people still hold grudges and hostility against Mormons. I wonder how Romney will fare there? And maybe Santorum, an Evangelical Conservative will be able to get the majority of the Southern votes as well as Pennsylvania? He seems the ideal candidate for the Bible-thumping redneck.

As a Mormon myself, I would normally press hope for Mitt Romney and/or Jon Hunstman Jr., who are both Mormons, but I do fear they will beat Obama, and I am all for an Obama re-election. Though it would be very interesting if Ron Paul gets the nomination, and he beats Obama.
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gnomes2169
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posted January 11, 2012 09:55 PM

SC will be one of the most strictly "Old fashion" conservative states in the US... Paul, with his wanting to cut the military budget and allowing gay relationships, etc, is not going to have the chance of a poor little snowball in hell. Besides Romney and Perry, there will be very little support for anyone, and most people agree that Perry just isn't that smart, so it really is just Romney for the majority of republicans. Which is boring, so blah.
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Corribus
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posted January 11, 2012 11:06 PM

Romney's nomination is all but a formality at this point.  What would be most interesting is if Ron Paul decides to run as a 3rd party candidate in the general election.  In which case I'm inclined to think he might hurt Obama more than the Romney, given that he could siphon off a lot of votes from the demographic that Obama relied upon heavilty to win in 2008: the young moderates.

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posted January 12, 2012 03:17 AM

I wonder, seriously, how many people - what percentage - of the US people Mitt Romney would represent. He's first and foremost a businessman, a CEO, who would lead the US like a corporation. He's worth a couple hundred millions of bucks. His positions have changed from moderate centre Republican to very conservative, and since his main goal, coming from corporate business, would be to "get the job done", this change possibly reflects the actual "mainstream" within the Republican party.

I'm not quite sure whether I can make out a stringent position in Foreign Policy.

Generally his positions seem to be underlied by a "Fundamental Christian" approach, all that sugar-coated with the belief in American exceptionalism. With Romney, I wouldn't know what to fear most - his actual positions or the possibility that any number of them might just be opportunistic talk that would change whichever way the wind blew.

Also, especially in the Health Care question, Romney seems to be the least suitable candidate to capitalize on the general dissatisfaction about how that one turned out.

He's for abstinence education and changed his views to pro-life (and against stem-cell research.

Is he really representing more than a minority of well-off, right-wing fundamentally-Christian elitist-American minority?

The same question, even though for completely different reasons, would have to be asked for Paul: a liberal position on drugs; a very cautious foreign policy position; a libertarian position on taxes and state involvement... Also, Paul seems to be fairly old now, and with him, the question of Vice Presidency would have to be pretty important.

At this point I have no doubt that Obama will win the election against both Romney and Paul - a known evil has advantages over an unknown one, and while Romney has a certain charme, I think that he will have a hard time to get rid off the "opportunist" label.

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Elodin
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posted January 12, 2012 07:55 PM

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At this point I have no doubt that Obama will win the election against both Romney and Paul - a known evil has advantages over an unknown one, and while Romney has a certain charme, I think that he will have a hard time to get rid off the "opportunist" label.


I won't argue that Obama a known evil, but not appropriate to call Paul or Romney evil.

The American people have virtually nothing in common with the Marxist Obama. Far more Americans are conservative than liberal, and Obama is on the left end of the left. As America continues to age America will continue to become more and more conservative. The reason for this is that often wisdom comes with age.

Of course crowning Romney the GOP nominee on the basis of a couple of tiny northern state caucuses/primaries is premature.

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posted January 12, 2012 10:00 PM
Edited by gnomes2169 at 22:04, 12 Jan 2012.

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I won't argue that Obama a known evil, but not appropriate to call Paul or Romney evil.

For crissake, it's a phrase that means the bad choice you know is better than the bad choice you don't. We can agree that none of the above choices would be "Good," aye? Don't take such common word phrases as a personal insult man, sheesh.
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Damacon_Ace
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posted January 13, 2012 04:18 AM

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At this point I have no doubt that Obama will win the election against both Romney and Paul - a known evil has advantages over an unknown one, and while Romney has a certain charme, I think that he will have a hard time to get rid off the "opportunist" label.


Obama evil? Somehow I don't think he's THAT evil. Maybe more neutral. Just don't consider anarchy as 'good'.
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Shyranis
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posted January 13, 2012 01:11 PM

Actually Obama's one of the reasons the republicans are shifting further right. Obama has been governing to the right and this forces the republicans to either stand with him or go further right... off a cliff.

He's cut government jobs far more than any other president in the last 50 years. He's governing like Reagan said he would but didn't and shrunk the government in record numbers unlike ramping up government hiring. It's... interesting to say the least.

Needless to say though, deep down both parties are exactly the same, suffer the same corruption from lobbying and crony capitalism and make the same basic decisions consistently throughout American history. Your elections are more or less bought and paid for no matter who wins. It's sad.

It's basically to the point where people have sabotaged your government to the point where it can't even do anything right but kill people and waste money. Can't even pull off stable banking, housing, healthcare or basic infrastructure anymore without somebody adding stupid things that give free money to their backers. I'm very sorry for your country's loss.
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posted January 13, 2012 01:27 PM

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I won't argue that Obama a known evil, but not appropriate to call Paul or Romney evil.

The American people have virtually nothing in common with the Marxist Obama. Far more Americans are conservative than liberal, and Obama is on the left end of the left. As America continues to age America will continue to become more and more conservative. The reason for this is that often wisdom comes with age.

Of course crowning Romney the GOP nominee on the basis of a couple of tiny northern state caucuses/primaries is premature.


*remembering Mytical's fickle finger of -qpness*

Elodin, your political views can most charitably be described as 'cloistered'.  Please help us, the younger generations, help you, the older generation but not the great WW II generation, die off, so we can get some **** done.

Oh?  What was that?  Your generation is doing just that with your hostile opposition to real healthcare reform?  By all means, carry on.

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Peacemaker
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posted January 13, 2012 02:28 PM
Edited by Peacemaker at 14:31, 13 Jan 2012.

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Elodin, your political views can most charitably be described as 'cloistered'.  Please help us, the younger generations, help you, the older generation but not the great WW II generation, die off, so we can get some **** done.

Oh?  What was that?  Your generation is doing just that with your hostile opposition to real healthcare reform?  By all means, carry on.

Huh?  Can somebody enlighten me as to how old Elodin is?  I find it quite telling that all the while I was of the impression he was a little kid drinking his parents' koolaide...
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del_diablo
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posted January 13, 2012 03:20 PM

He said he was married and had children, who has grown quite a bit, but that could be my memory that is fuzzy.
But going on the information being correct, somewhere between 40 and 60.
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posted January 13, 2012 03:49 PM

He's also seen action in Iraq as a soldier and owns a private business. The guy can kick your sorry pinko commie liberal arses any time. Not to mention how much more useful he'd be in case of a zombie apocalypse.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted January 13, 2012 03:51 PM

Yeah, so about that Presidential election...
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Brukernavn
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posted January 13, 2012 04:09 PM
Edited by Brukernavn at 23:20, 15 Jan 2012.

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Yeah, so about that Presidential election...

South Carolina looks like it'll be a close race between Romney, Gringrich and Paul.
http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/primary/rep/sc/

Edit: I think we already can say that Perry and Huntsman will drop out after SC. And if Santorum really does as bad as projected, he might drop out as well, since he's already used up most of his funds on TV ads.


Edit2: Looks like it happened even before the election; Huntsman has announced that he is dropping out and is endorsing Romney.

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Elodin
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posted January 16, 2012 07:25 PM
Edited by Elodin at 19:56, 16 Jan 2012.

According to CNN's latest poll Paul and Romney would both tie with Obama if the elections were held today. Obama's support will continue to wane and we will have a Republican president. I'd prefer Paul over Romney.

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