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Thread: US Presidential Race 2012 [ This thread is 59 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 (23) 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 ]
TheBaron
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posted January 17, 2012 12:36 AM
Edited by TheBaron at 01:22, 17 Jan 2012.

Hey everyone, long time.
I always love reading the interesting and insightful things people have to say here. However, when Elodin calls Obama an evil Marxist it just makes me wonder how much Marx he has read, or if he knows what socialism and communism even entail. It would actually be more accurate (though perhaps still erroneous) to call Obama a fascist.

"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." - Benedito Mussolini.

I would prefer Paul of the republicans, and if you've been paying attention to the Occupy stuff, you'll be aware that many of the moderates involved support him. It seems that sometimes you can go so far right that you end up left (and vice versa) on the political circle.

Either way, you're country is in for tough times. As is Europe.

Elodin, I recommend you watch this interview with a war journalist
It has nothing to do with Marxism, but it does go to show how W.Bush and Obama are virtually the same. If you're interested.
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posted January 17, 2012 10:15 PM
Edited by Peacemaker at 22:21, 17 Jan 2012.

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According to CNN's latest poll Paul and Romney would both tie with Obama if the elections were held today. Obama's support will continue to wane and we will have a Republican president. I'd prefer Paul over Romney.

Clicky


Don't be so sure, Elodin.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

In the above link, the following current stats on general election matchups are as follows:

Tuesday, January 17

General Election: Romney vs. Obama ABC News/Wash Post Obama 46, Romney 48 Romney +2
General Election: Gingrich vs. Obama ABC News/Wash Post Obama 52, Gingrich 40 Obama +12
General Election: Santorum vs. Obama ABC News/Wash Post Obama 52, Santorum 41 Obama +11
General Election: Paul vs. Obama ABC News/Wash Post Obama 49, Paul 42 Obama +7
General Election: Gingrich vs. Obama Rasmussen Reports Obama 47, Gingrich 38 Obama +9
General Election: Romney vs. Obama PPP (D) Obama 49, Romney 44 Obama +5
General Election: Gingrich vs. Obama PPP (D) Obama 49, Gingrich 42 Obama +7
General Election: Santorum vs. Obama PPP (D) Obama 50, Santorum 42 Obama +8
General Election: Paul vs. Obama PPP (D) Obama 47, Paul 42 Obama +5
General Election: Perry vs. Obama PPP (D) Obama 51, Perry 40  Obama +11...


It just goes on like that for several pages.


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Brukernavn
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posted January 19, 2012 05:29 PM
Edited by Brukernavn at 17:30, 19 Jan 2012.

And the drop outs continue; Perry has just announced that he is also dropping out!

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Xerox
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posted January 19, 2012 06:13 PM

what happens if Ron Paul runs as an indepedant candidate?

perhaps that would make him steal some democrat votes and make Obama fail?
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del_diablo
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posted January 19, 2012 06:45 PM

If he runs as independant he won't get votes. Its as simple as that. Perhaps 3-4% at the most, buy beyond that he won't affect anything.
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Damacon_Ace
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posted January 20, 2012 06:44 AM

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If he runs as independant he won't get votes. Its as simple as that. Perhaps 3-4% at the most, buy beyond that he won't affect anything.


I don't know about that. Ron Paul seems to have a very broad support from independent voters as well as independent Democrats and Republicans.

Ron Paul running as an Independent could spoil the election for one of the candidates just like Ross Perot did back in 1992. Not that I truly believe Paul will make as much votes as Perot.
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Elodin
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posted January 21, 2012 02:49 PM

Obama continues his attack on religion. This should separate him from more voters--everyone who cares about the Constitution and liberty. For the government to demand that religious organizations who oppose contraception provide contraception coverage for employees is imbecilic, tyrannical, and unconstitutional.


Clicky

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The Obama administration on Friday ruled that religiously affiliated nonprofit organizations, including hospitals and universities, will have to offer birth-control coverage to women employees but gave the organizations an extra year to comply.

In a decision expected to draw opposition from religious conservatives, the Department of Health and Human Services issued a final rule requiring affiliated groups to provide a broad range of services, from implanted contraceptive devices to the morning-after pill. Many do not at present.


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Brukernavn
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posted January 21, 2012 03:18 PM

Looks like Newt will be able to win SC. With Santorum as the real winner of Iowa the Romney inevitability tale might change.

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The_Gootch
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posted January 21, 2012 04:07 PM

@ Elodin.

Lies.  Lies.  More effin' lies.  Women's health is the issue, not attacking a religion's right for its members to be ignorant and discriminatory.


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gnomes2169
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posted January 21, 2012 04:21 PM

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Obama continues his attack on religion. This should separate him from more voters--everyone who cares about the Constitution and liberty. For the government to demand that religious organizations who oppose contraception provide contraception coverage for employees is imbecilic, tyrannical, and unconstitutional.

Haha... ha... ahahahahahahahahahahaha! Good one Elodin. I didn't think that you were such a funny guy and all...

In case you were actually serious, here is where you are wrong:

1. Contraceptives are not anti-religious.

2. hospitals should look out for the good health of their patients, without considering their own moral standpoint. If they cannot do this, then they are failing at their purpose (ie: A christian hospital lets a man die because he is muslim = failure.) Also, once again, no religion that is taken seriously would ban the use of contraceptives.

3. The president has the implied power and duty of protecting his citizens. If contraceptives count as protecting women, then he should support them.

4. Blaming Obama solely for this (though, what is there to blame him for?) is wrong, since the only thing the president can do lawmaking wise (and even then it is short term) is issue an Executive order. As I read it, Congress passed this bill/ ruling as well.
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Seraphim
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posted January 21, 2012 04:26 PM

Seriously,listening to elodin is like watching FOX news.

I would advise everyone to check on alternative sources aswell.

I also advise to hurry up.No one knows when those sites will get closed because of "Intellectual Property Theft".


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Elodin
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posted January 21, 2012 04:37 PM

I'm not Catholic. But the Catholic church teaches all contraception is sinful. Only a moron would go to work for a Catholic organization and expect the Catholic organization to provide them with what that organization considers to be sinful. The Obama administration's ruling clearly violates the freedom of religion guaranteed by the Constitution but liberals,  have never particularly liked the Constitution because it tends to run counter to their beliefs.

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@ Elodin.

Lies.  Lies.  More effin' lies.  Women's health is the issue, not attacking a religion's right for its members to be ignorant and discriminatory.



Oh Gootch, atheists are entitled to be ignorant but they are not entitled to force their ignorant fairy tales on everyone else. No one is forced to work for a Catholic organization and they would be an imbecile to go to work for one expecting the organization to provide them with contraception.
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alcibiades
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posted January 21, 2012 04:38 PM

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Oh Gootch, atheists are entitled to be ignorant but they are not entitled to force their ignorant fairy tales on everyone else.
Jeez, this gave me a coughing attack that almost made me choke. Leaving this thread as fast as I entered ... bye!
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gnomes2169
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posted January 21, 2012 04:49 PM

@ elodin: Let's try this again, shall we?

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1. Contraceptives are not anti-religious.

As in, contraceptives are not against the laws of religion. Maybe personal faith, but not entire religions.
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2. hospitals should look out for the good health of their patients, without considering their own moral standpoint. If they cannot do this, then they are failing at their purpose (ie: A christian hospital lets a man die because he is muslim = failure.) Also, once again, no religion that is taken seriously would ban the use of contraceptives.

As in, if something is good for the health of their employees, then the organisation should not denied it to them, and it should be included in their health coverage. I don't think this is a Liberal standpoint, but a logical one that includes morals. Do you have a problem with it?
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Vlaad
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posted January 21, 2012 04:54 PM

I'm sorry Bachmann dropped out. She was hilarious. In addition, if she'd run, she would've realized there are too few bat**** crazy people outside her trailer park.

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Elodin
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posted January 21, 2012 05:30 PM

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@ elodin: Let's try this again, shall we?

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1. Contraceptives are not anti-religious.

As in, contraceptives are not against the laws of religion. Maybe personal faith, but not entire religions.



You are quite wrong. Contraception is taught to always be sin in Catholicism.

Quote:

In 1968, Pope Paul VI issued his landmark encyclical letter Humanae Vitae (Latin, "Human Life"), which reemphasized the Church’s constant teaching that it is always intrinsically wrong to use contraception to prevent new human beings from coming into existence.

Contraception is "any action which, either in anticipation of the conjugal act [sexual intercourse], or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" (Humanae Vitae 14). This includes sterilization, condoms and other barrier methods, spermicides, coitus interruptus (withdrawal method), the Pill, and all other such methods.



YOUR religion may not view contraception as wrong but some other religions do.

And like I said, if you go to work for an organization that teaches contraception is wrong you are a moron if you think that organization should provide you with contraception. If you want contraception provided by your employer go to work for an organization that does not believe contraception is wrong.
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DagothGares
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posted January 21, 2012 05:32 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 17:36, 21 Jan 2012.

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in Catholicism.
Since when are you a papist?

EDI: sorry, totally wasn't following. Feel free to ignore. Seems weird to just pull out that card. Either way, Catholic hospitals don't exist by my knowledge, in belgium, a catholic country.

Are maybe they all are, but really they don't care.
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Elodin
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posted January 21, 2012 05:36 PM
Edited by Elodin at 17:37, 21 Jan 2012.

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in Catholicism.
Since when are you a papist?


I explicitly stated that I am not Catholic. However, that does not mean I am ignorant of Catholic teachings.

There are numerous Catholic hospitals and other non-profit organizations in the US.
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DagothGares
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posted January 21, 2012 05:41 PM
Edited by DagothGares at 17:44, 21 Jan 2012.

Okay, well, erm, speaking as a former Catholic from a Catholic country:

I thought the whole contraception debate mattered, because that's how AIDS was spreading in Africa (or, well, spreading a hell of a lot more fierce than it should) and didn't matter at all in the civilised world. Though, I may be wrong. Do you have any records of catholic Hospitals protesting against this?

EDIT: Adding to Zenofex... I think the hospital I go to is technically a catholic hospital. I don't see it having any problems with that. I mean, as a place where they carve open little children like me to get their heart fixed, I doubt they'd be like "NO, contraception is evil and I will not abide it."

Maybe it's because Belgian intellectuals are all awesome, but I think as someone who practices the medical profession, shouldn't you be above that sort of thing?
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Zenofex
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posted January 21, 2012 05:41 PM

What exactly does "Catholic hospital" stand for and what makes it different from a... hm... non-Catholic hospital?

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