Heroes of Might and Magic Community
visiting hero! Register | Today's Posts | Games | Search! | FAQ/Rules | AvatarList | MemberList | Profile


Age of Heroes Headlines:  
5 Oct 2016: Heroes VII development comes to an end.. - read more
6 Aug 2016: Troubled Heroes VII Expansion Release - read more
26 Apr 2016: Heroes VII XPack - Trial by Fire - Coming out in June! - read more
17 Apr 2016: Global Alternative Creatures MOD for H7 after 1.8 Patch! - read more
7 Mar 2016: Romero launches a Piano Sonata Album Kickstarter! - read more
19 Feb 2016: Heroes 5.5 RC6, Heroes VII patch 1.7 are out! - read more
13 Jan 2016: Horn of the Abyss 1.4 Available for Download! - read more
17 Dec 2015: Heroes 5.5 update, 1.6 out for H7 - read more
23 Nov 2015: H7 1.4 & 1.5 patches Released - read more
31 Oct 2015: First H7 patches are out, End of DoC development - read more
5 Oct 2016: Heroes VII development comes to an end.. - read more
[X] Remove Ads
LOGIN:     Username:     Password:         [ Register ]
New Server | HOMM1: info forum | HOMM2: info forum | HOMM3: info forum | HOMM4: info forum | HOMM5: info forum | MMH6: wiki forum | MMH7: wiki forum
Heroes Community > Other Side of the Monitor > Thread: US Presidential Race 2012
Thread: US Presidential Race 2012 This thread is 59 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 ... 10 20 30 40 50 ... 55 56 57 58 59 · «PREV / NEXT»
Vlaad
Vlaad


Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted November 15, 2012 04:29 AM
Edited by Vlaad at 05:13, 15 Nov 2012.

Quote:
Bumeister, Bumaker, Bumaster Obama. He is on the verge of fulfilling Khrushchev's prophecy that communism would take America without a shot being fired. Sad indeed.
Your predictions usually fall flat. Here are some from this thread only:
Quote:
I predict [Palin] will run and America will have its first female president.
Quote:
Romney will not be the party nominee.
Quote:
Uhboma will get trounced by whoever is the GOP nominee.
Quote:
[T]his will give even liberal Catholics a reason to support the Romney-Ryan ticket.
Quote:
The Obama Budget Plan is one reason Obama will lose the elections.
Quote:
And of course the GOP will gain control of the Senate.
Quote:
I'll be casting my vote for the winner tomorrow

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Jackson
Jackson


Known Hero
Random Spirit Lover
posted November 15, 2012 05:28 AM

Thank you Gootch and Vlaad.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Corribus
Corribus

Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted November 15, 2012 06:21 AM

Quote:
@ Corribus.  Here's a link from a demographic I once thought you were a part of.

Letter to the Republican party from a smart white person.

I'm not sure what your point is.  I'm not a registered Republican and I don't vote by party.  I vote for individuals.  But given your tendency to demonize anyone who decides to vote for somone who belongs to the Republican party, it's no surprise you don't know what I actually believe in.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Elodin
Elodin


Promising
Legendary Hero
Free Thinker
posted November 15, 2012 12:45 PM

Quote:


The far right is a bunch of wealthy snake oil salesmen--and you're their e-Billie Mays.

And finally, I remember your claim that you're a veteran of a foreign war and that you killed a man.  I don't believe you.  I call you a liar and an integrity violator.  I believe you're a troll earning $10/hr. peddling Fox News across the internet.

Now, go lick your wounds loser, and pine about the grostesqueries of your beloved Texas becoming a blue state within ten years.  You have only yourself and your way of thinking to thank for clustersnowing away the entire latino vote for a generation.



Yep, I am a veteran, and glad to have served my country.

The far left must always demonize its opponents, as Saul Alinsky commanded, as the far left has nothing rational to say.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
GunFred
GunFred


Supreme Hero
Sexy Manticore
posted November 15, 2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Yep, I am a veteran, and glad to have served my country.

The far left must always demonize its opponents, as Saul Alinsky commanded, as the far left has nothing rational to say.


I do not question your past, in fact I am getting a bit curious. But c'mon... The left demonize its opponents? Republican supporters and other radicals main arguments against Obama are that he is either Satan, a muslim, Anti-christ, a marxist dictator or that he will bring the apocalypse. The left can not even compare to the right when it comes to demonizing. And even you Elodin got a strong urge to redicule Obama by giving him stupid nicknames and giving him false titles.

YouTube: Bill Maher on Saul Alinsky

Wikipedia: Saul Alinsky
____________

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Tsar-Ivor
Tsar-Ivor


Promising
Legendary Hero
Soli deo gloria
posted November 15, 2012 04:25 PM

I just read that over 20 states have petitioned to sucede from the US.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | PP | Quote Reply | Link
OmegaDestroyer
OmegaDestroyer

Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
posted November 15, 2012 04:37 PM

There aren't just 20 petitions.  There are petitions from every state and the whole issue is completely ridiculous.  
____________
The giant has awakened
You drink my blood and drown
Wrath and raving I will not stop
You'll never take me down

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Tsar-Ivor
Tsar-Ivor


Promising
Legendary Hero
Soli deo gloria
posted November 15, 2012 04:58 PM

Yeah I wrote that initially as soon as I heard rumors of it, it is quite ludicrous, but imo they do have the right to secede, last time they did the north attacked them out of vanity, sure slavery is bad, but it was undemocratic, tainted past, tainted future.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | PP | Quote Reply | Link
gnomes2169
gnomes2169


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
posted November 15, 2012 06:17 PM

There are also multiple petitions to exile and remove the citizenship from those people that signed petitions to leave the union, and to force states that wish to leave to pay their portion of the national debt. I love the counter-trolls in my country...

@Tsar: Though the states have a pseudo-separate identity to themselves, they are solidly affiliated with the US. A comparison would be a city in your country saying that it no longer wants to be part of the country and wants to become its own political entity (Sort of like what the Vatican did I guess...). And the reason that city would give you would be pointless butthurt over an election that didn't go their way.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Tsar-Ivor
Tsar-Ivor


Promising
Legendary Hero
Soli deo gloria
posted November 15, 2012 06:32 PM

Actually each state is completely independent from the others save for the fact that they all get their commands from the overlords in Washington.

Here USA has always been compared to the structure of European Union.
____________
"What is a man? A miserable pile of secrets."

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | PP | Quote Reply | Link
gnomes2169
gnomes2169


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
posted November 15, 2012 07:03 PM

Odd. Here the emphasis has been shifting very strongly to the "United" part of that statement... growing up I was basically taught that a state was just a part of a country (well, back when I was in the second, third and fourth grade...), not a ruggedly individual country with a common alliance like you find in the EU. Of course, things might be more secessionist the farther south you go, but being born and raised in the US (and specifically the politically confused state of Minnesota), I have never had the impression that each individual state was as viable for country-hood as the United States of America. If you'll note, there are no alliances between individual states and foreign powers, just the (what is classified as a) country of the United States of America.

That's the major difference between the US and the EU, the European Union does not count as a country and does not have eminent domain over its individual constituents, it's more of a monetary union than anything. The US is built as a social, political and economic machine that is classified as a single, unified, country.
____________
Pokemon Helnith character sheets!

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Doomforge
Doomforge


Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted November 15, 2012 07:43 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 19:45, 15 Nov 2012.

Good for you Americans I mean, solid country = good. Tiny countries that play on xenophobia, local patriotism and stuff = bad.

Just think of it: United States of Europe would be the most powerful country in the world, towering over US in pretty much every aspect. But it will never happen, because there's so much racism and xenophobia in Europe that it's simply not possible. People would rather declare independence of countries smaller than New York City than unite. It's sad, really.

Of course, one may argue that Western Europe has a bad history (recent) of united countries (Soviet Union), and Eastern Europe doesn't want to share the wealth with us poor chaps from countries like Poorland, Latvia and Estonia... but still... I'd be very happy if I lived to see USE.

So, if you have any secessionists around you, just tell them to shut up
____________
We reached to the stars and everything is now ours

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Darkshadow
Darkshadow


Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
posted November 15, 2012 07:47 PM

Quote:
Good for you Americans I mean, solid country = good. Tiny countries that play on xenophobia, local patriotism and stuff = bad.

Just think of it: United States of Europe would be the most powerful country in the world, towering over US in pretty much every aspect. But it will never happen, because there's so much racism and xenophobia in Europe that it's simply not possible. People would rather declare independence of countries smaller than New York City than unite. It's sad, really.

Of course, one may argue that Western Europe has a bad history (recent) of united countries (Soviet Union), and Eastern Europe doesn't want to share the wealth with us poor chaps from countries like Poorland, Latvia and Estonia... but still... I'd be very happy if I lived to see USE.

So, if you have any secessionists around you, just tell them to shut up


Doh, worry not, with the Franco-German special relationship ever going to new heights, it will eventually happen.
____________

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Doomforge
Doomforge


Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted November 15, 2012 07:53 PM

Hopefully - that would mean someone else would have to manage Poorland than us Poles. And we suck at governing countries, let me tell you Bismarck once said, that if you want to get rid of Poles, let them rule in their own country. They'll just die out.

As for US, I keep hearing that there's a lot of secession movement lately (25000 people signing for secession of Texas after Obama won iirc?). That's pretty weird. Texas would instantly lose the superpower title and would just become "another Mexico" : a country with zero actual impact on the world. I don't think this is what those people want in their regional pride, lol.
____________
We reached to the stars and everything is now ours

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
blizzardboy
blizzardboy


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Prince of Poetry
posted November 15, 2012 07:59 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 20:02, 15 Nov 2012.

Actually, Texas seceding from the States would hurt the rest of the country more than it would hurt Texas. It's one of the few places in the world with a combination of a lot of oil and a highly developed R&D/Commercial sector.

25,000 is not remotely close to "a lot". There's always petitions for States to secede every time there's an election, ever. It's kind of like how Americans get mad and threaten to move to Canada, even though they don't actually hardly ever do, and there's like 8 times as many Canadians that emigrate to the US than the other way around or something. It's troll rage.
____________

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Doomforge
Doomforge


Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted November 15, 2012 08:04 PM

I'm also surprised that Canada and US did not combine into one country. Peacefully, I mean. Not the way US tried in that lame annexation attempt 200 years ago.
____________
We reached to the stars and everything is now ours

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
blizzardboy
blizzardboy


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Prince of Poetry
posted November 15, 2012 08:13 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 20:25, 15 Nov 2012.

lol. Nothing surprising about that. Canada-US is a pretty open border, but Canadians are probably even more patriotic than the US is, plus they know better than to merge all of their land with the (relatively) more crowded south.

In fact, another 1812 might not be such a bad idea. Some see unemployment and think "poverty". Others see unemployment and think "recruits". Plus I could claim Pandora & Shyranis as tribute. Not that it would be rape. Once they get a look at me, it would be 100% voluntary from that point on.
____________

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Zenofex
Zenofex


Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
posted November 15, 2012 09:26 PM

Quote:
That's the major difference between the US and the EU, the European Union does not count as a country and does not have eminent domain over its individual constituents, it's more of a monetary union than anything.
That's not really correct - it's entirely economic, partially monetary and partially political union. The base of the whole thing is certainly the economic union as when the smart heads behind the whole conglomerate thought about if for the first time during the fine ages of the Cold War, they quickly realized that going straight for a political union is simply a doomed enterprise. The monetary unification is started later, when the foundations of the economic and customs union are already in place, and goes through quite a lot of problems before resulting in the still quite imperfect mutant that we have today. Plus, not all members of the economic union are members of the monetary union and some may never join (say, UK and their eternal "we won't do exactly like the rest of you" attitude). And finally, the political union is considered the big aim - to introduce through the back door something like a super-state which combines all the European states, but a spoonful at a time because everybody is incredibly sensitive about all things sovereign. Ultimately - nobody knows what exactly the EU is, trust me on that.

Anyway, it remains to be seen whether the EU and its original ideas will survive the current crisis which is certainly the worst one since its foundation. Then the question for the integration of all the "poor cousins" remain. For pretty much the whole world Europe means the ex-colonial states which currently have the most powerful economies on the continent (well, not exactly all of them but still) and the rest is some sort of auxiliary addition and ghetto (think Eastern Europe). The Western Europeans on the other hand can't stop thinking of the hordes from the East which will invade their countries, take their jobs, their homes and their lives and are never too enthusiastic to welcome the said crowds. The Eastern Europeans have exactly the same problem but turned on 180 degrees - the emigrants go (or will go) to work for the benefit of other economies and the locals ones (will) shrink along with the shrinking of the population. From that angle it's a lose-lose scenario. I don't know how much time it will take to overcome these difficulties, if this ever happens.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
gnomes2169
gnomes2169


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
posted November 16, 2012 01:06 AM

Quote:
So, if you have any secessionists around you, just tell them to shut up

Can I slap them first?

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Doomforge
Doomforge


Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted November 16, 2012 01:43 AM

Quote:
I don't know how much time it will take to overcome these difficulties, if this ever happens.


It would be enough if Europeans gave up the backwater "more valuable in place you were born" mentality and opened up, but that's pretty much impossible currently. Europe is taking a step backwards compared to 90s.
____________
We reached to the stars and everything is now ours

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Jump To: « Prev Thread . . . Next Thread » This thread is 59 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 ... 10 20 30 40 50 ... 55 56 57 58 59 · «PREV / NEXT»
Post New Poll    Post New Topic    Post New Reply

Page compiled in 0.1211 seconds