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OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
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posted April 28, 2011 05:15 PM |
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It sounds like a good plan!
Don't you agree?
I ask... for no reason!
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted April 28, 2011 05:54 PM |
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This is rage not complaining.
Warlock inferno magic hero???????????
UBI U MAD?
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rayhunter
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posted April 30, 2011 03:52 PM |
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well, i am sad seeing what the best game of my childhood is turning into.
it seem that now they make it only about money. the HOMM spirit is gone. at least for me , i dont know for you.
UBI changed completely the game in orded that it appeals to as many classes and groups of society as it can.
for example - as I see a lot of the resources are gone and teh gameplay is a lot more easier. that attracts new gamers adn a lot of kids.
also, too much female creatures - for teh girls.
also, there is a faction thats completely filled with some creatures from japanese mythology.- asians
the stronghold is full of aztec-like creatures - latin america.
further, a lot of creatures are anime-like, for all anime lovers.(best example is the Angel, ftw)
I saw some resemblance with WC creatures- for instance the ghoul in Necropolis.
And A LOT MORE resemblance with Kings Bounty .... with its childish colorful graphics and three like skill system. If u have played it u will understand.
I dont know if UBISOFT will ever understand that graphics is much more unimporant tahn gameplay.
The originality of the game is missing. They could have just tried to improve something successful like HOMM3, instead of changing it.
My own opinion is that UBISOFT and Black Hole f*cked the game ;(
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flyingpenut
Hired Hero
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posted April 30, 2011 04:53 PM |
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All of the complaints lead to one thing. THIS IS NOT A HEROES game anymore. It has gotten so far off track from Heroes 3 that it is called somethign entirely. Hence the changed wording of the name. I always liked the changes and additions but this is the opposite. The game has very minimal and basic additions and now has major Heroes systems taken away. So your saying every creature and building now requires crystal? That doesnt even make sense with the Hereos story line. Unfortunatly this will be the first Heroes i do not buy. Time to find a new great game saga.
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Davy
Known Hero
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posted April 30, 2011 05:32 PM |
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for example - as I see a lot of the resources are gone and teh gameplay is a lot more easier. that attracts new gamers adn a lot of kids.
I don't think,that they did this to make the game easier for new gamers and so on,they probably just saw most of the resources as useless,which is kinda justified,since you really didn't need all those resources that often(most of the time you just needed the special resource of your town(for example crystal for heaven) and the other special resources(sulfur and so on))
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also, too much female creatures - for teh girls.
It doesn't bother me at all,that there are more girls this time,especially since it is mostly justified(or do you want male harpies xD?) and I am a guy.
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also, there is a faction thats completely filled with some creatures from japanese mythology.- asians
So since when are the gorgons from asia?And no it is not just japanese mythology,it is asian mythology(the kirin is chinese,the naga are indian...) and am not sure why it is suddenly bad to have creatures from different mythologys,isn't that what makes heroes so great?
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the stronghold is full of aztec-like creatures - latin america.
and thats bad because...?I don't know whats the problem with that,I think it suits the stronghold and well it is not that present,but mainly for the magic users in the stronghold(and there aren't many)
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further, a lot of creatures are anime-like, for all anime lovers.(best example is the Angel, ftw)
What?How do the angels look like from an anime?
This is an anime angel:
and this is the angel from H6:
So let us compare:
Anime eyes?No.
Anime body?No
Anime sparkles?No
I don't know how the seraph should look like from an anime...
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I saw some resemblance with WC creatures- for instance the ghoul in Necropolis.
ghouls are well known undead creatures that appear in a lot of works,so just because they also appear in WC they are a rip off?In that case I think heroes should stop using Lich,Necromancers,Paladin,human soldiers,elves,orcs,minotaurs,phoenixes,....
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And A LOT MORE resemblance with Kings Bounty .... with its childish colorful graphics and three like skill system. If u have played it u will understand.
I can't see any resemblances with the units from kings bounty and the units of H6,I think the units in H6 look surprisingly less cartoonic,for example the goblin,who is in most games quite cartoonic looks rather fearsome in h6.
Just look at the goblin or the orc of kings bounty and they don't resemble their versions of heroes 6 at all
 
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I dont know if UBISOFT will ever understand that graphics is much more unimporant tahn gameplay.
I have rather a game with bad graphics and good gameplay,than to have a goodlooking game that plays like crap....
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The originality of the game is missing. They could have just tried to improve something successful like HOMM3, instead of changing it.
Well it rather looks like ubi understands that,otherwise they would make a game that resembles more h4 xD.
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted April 30, 2011 05:36 PM |
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I know this is a thread for complaining, but some complaints cannot stand unanswered.
Edit: I see Davy beat me to the punch. Aw well...
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for example - as I see a lot of the resources are gone and teh gameplay is a lot more easier. that attracts new gamers adn a lot of kids.
Less recourses does not equal simpler gameplay. In previous heroes all the recourses except gold became obsolete in late game. Now there is a greater incentive to defend and capture mines (not just gold mines) throughout the game.
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also, too much female creatures - for teh girls.
From the appearance of the female units, I think it's safer to say that they cater more to the male players than "girls", as the
most beautiful female unit thread clearly shows.
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also, there is a faction thats completely filled with some creatures from japanese mythology.- asians
the stronghold is full of aztec-like creatures - latin america.
This is just ridiculous! The factions in this franchise have always taken inspiration from different cultures of the world, and is nothing new this time around. You could just as well say Haven - Europeans.
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further, a lot of creatures are anime-like, for all anime lovers.(best example is the Angel, ftw)
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I saw some resemblance with WC creatures- for instance the ghoul in Necropolis.
And A LOT MORE resemblance with Kings Bounty .... with its childish colorful graphics and three like skill system. If u have played it u will understand.
I dont know if UBISOFT will ever understand that graphics is much more unimporant tahn gameplay.
you just refuted yourself 
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The originality of the game is missing. They could have just tried to improve something successful like HOMM3, instead of changing it.
Again, a self refutation. You say there is no originality, yet you want it to be more similar to H3?
How about all the changes to gameplay they actually did introduce? Or are you not aware of them?
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My own opinion is that UBISOFT and Black Hole f*cked the game ;(
That could actually be the case, I doubt it, but it could be. We'll just have to wait until we try it before we can make that conclusion.
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All of the complaints lead to one thing. THIS IS NOT A HEROES game anymore. It has gotten so far off track from Heroes 3 that it is called somethign entirely. Hence the changed wording of the name. I always liked the changes and additions but this is the opposite. The game has very minimal and basic additions and now has major Heroes systems taken away.
H4 made bigger changes to the heroes formula than this installment. It's perhaps closer to H3 than both H4 and H5. Exactly what heroes systems, in your opinion, have been taken away?
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So your saying every creature and building now requires crystal? That doesnt even make sense with the Hereos story line.
And it is also not the case, so no worries there. 
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Warlord
Famous Hero
Lord of Image Spam
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posted April 30, 2011 05:43 PM |
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I dont know if UBISOFT will ever understand that graphics is much more unimporant tahn gameplay.
And what makes you think the gameplay is bad?
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rayhunter
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posted April 30, 2011 05:50 PM |
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well i see a lot of guys here want everyone to share their opinion. wont happen.
and hardcore fans of hereos will understand my point.
i think that when a gampley becomes simpler it becomes bad.
Brukernavn, the graphics are becoming to resemble kings bounty's one. how i refuted myself. i think that u havent understood what i said. read carefully and then post...
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted April 30, 2011 06:19 PM |
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well i see a lot of guys here want everyone to share their opinion. wont happen.
and hardcore fans of hereos will understand my point.
You're speaking to a lot of hardcore heroes' fans, just because they do not agree with you doesn't mean they aren't fans.
A lot of different people like this game and your brand new fresh HC community account is more likely a troll then a fan at this point.
Also might I point out you are trying to share your opinion yourself?
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i think that when a gampley becomes simpler it becomes bad.
How has gameplay become simpler?
Less resources do not equal simpler gameplay, beyond that I don't see what else you could use as an argument.
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Brukernavn, the graphics are becoming to resemble kings bounty's one.
I disagree, I think they are becoming LESS like King's Bounty, I've played and greatly enjoyed KB:The Legend but comparing the graphics KB's light hearted fantasy world (nothing wrong with that) to HoMMVI's new look for Ashan, the differences should be obvious, the art direction is completely the opposite in everything other then colour.
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how i refuted myself. i think that u havent understood what i said. read carefully and then post...
It's called a double negative, I don't think your english is good enough to presume your grammar is better then Brukernavn's.
It's fine to not like HoMMVI, but don't use bullsnow arguments.
Here I'll lend a hand:
"I don't like the new art style."
"I don't like how there's only 5 factions."
"I don't like how there's now 2 hero classes per faction with 2 upgrades each giving us 30 different hero types."
"I don't like how they are trying to add more depth and strategy to the game."
"I don't like how it's not a perfect replica of Heroes III with updated graphics."
Ok, ok, ok, those last three aren't serious, but the first two are perfectly valid reasons.
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rayhunter
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posted April 30, 2011 06:40 PM |
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i said clearly that no one should share my opinion.
if your are content with the disgrace that is happening with HEroes then be happy and argue about english grammar.
could you explain me what arguments are not bullsnow when it comes to peronal SUBJECTIVE opinion. when it jsut comes to whether you like something or not.
explain please.
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted April 30, 2011 06:47 PM |
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i said clearly that no one should share my opinion.
I could not agree more, no one should share your opinion.
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if your are content with the disgrace that is happening with HEroes then be happy and argue about english grammar.
And now you're definately trolling or you're 5 years old.
The grammar thing is a problem because what you most likely mean to type and what you did type are directly in conflict.
If you cannot communicate to us what you want to say, then yes, grammar is an issue.
Falling back on this as a post after all your arguments have been picked apart is practically admitting you're arguments were horrible to begin with.
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rayhunter
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posted April 30, 2011 06:54 PM |
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so, i see u know what i want to tell, tell me.
and I asked a question that you avoided.
i will add 2 questions.
why do you have such random answering?
why i am "trolling" when I just said my opinion and you started arguing?
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted April 30, 2011 06:54 PM |
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Is all the community ok with the warlock being inferno?
That's blasphemy.
It's like saying that in warcraft 4 it is ok to make Illidan an orc, or Duke Nukem saying we should think of women as to flowers.
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flyingpenut
Hired Hero
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posted April 30, 2011 06:55 PM |
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This topic even being discussed proves that there are problems. From this forum i have come to see that about half of the people are dissatisfied with this game. Sure that leaves half or more than half of people that are not dissatisfied but when so many people are it should serve as a notice that there is a problem. I never once saw a thread like this for a great game like Heroes 3 or 4. Same issue with the "dumbing down" of the game. When enough people say that it is so then there is probably some merit to the argument. This game first appealed to a select group that enjoyed complexity. I understand that most gamers today do not care for complexity but this series was originally not for them, it was for us who do.
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rayhunter
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posted April 30, 2011 07:00 PM |
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This topic even being discussed proves that there are problems. From this forum i have come to see that about half of the people are dissatisfied with this game. Sure that leaves half or more than half of people that are not dissatisfied but when so many people are it should serve as a notice that there is a problem. I never once saw a thread like this for a great game like Heroes 3 or 4. Same issue with the "dumbing down" of the game. When enough people say that it is so then there is probably some merit to the argument. This game first appealed to a select group that enjoyed complexity. I understand that most gamers today do not care for complexity but this series was originally not for them, it was for us who do.
i also think there is a problem. heroes was a great game. before 7-8 years it was very popular in my country , but now you can hardly find one who still play it. why ?
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted April 30, 2011 07:00 PM |
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so, i see u know what i want to tell, tell me.
and I asked a question that you avoided.
why do you have such random answering?
You've been dodging every argument everybody has been throwing at you.
What question are you talking about because I don't see it.
What question have I been avoiding?
How the hell are my answers random?
Ye know what, never mind, at this point you must be trolling because you wouldn't have replied if you weren't.
To the Warlock point: it's just a title for a class.
Traditionally the name makes more sense as a Inferno hero anyway, Warlocks have often both in legend and in popular media been associated with Demons.
But the key difference here is that in the end, it's little more then renaming the Mage: Wizard.
Dungeon's Warlocks don't become less awesome by not being called Warlocks.
I believe Shakespeare said that a rose by any other name is still a rose.
Edit: how the is the game "simpler" or "dumbed down"?
Edit2: Warcraft threw all tradition out the window with WoW, the storyline is a complete mess.
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rayhunter
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posted April 30, 2011 07:02 PM |
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Is all the community ok with the warlock being inferno?
That's blasphemy.
It's like saying that in warcraft 4 it is ok to make Illidan an orc, or Duke Nukem saying we should think of women as to flowers.
warcraft may be worse than HOMM but at least has tradition, thu s success.
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rayhunter
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posted April 30, 2011 07:04 PM |
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What question are you talking about because I don't see it.
What question have I been avoiding?
How the hell are my answers random?
Ye know what, never mind, at this point you must be trolling because you wouldn't have replied if you weren't.
could you explain me what arguments are not bullsnow when it comes to peronal SUBJECTIVE opinion. when it jsut comes to whether you like something or not.
explain please.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 30, 2011 07:07 PM |
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This topic even being discussed proves that there are problems. From this forum i have come to see that about half of the people are dissatisfied with this game. Sure that leaves half or more than half of people that are not dissatisfied but when so many people are it should serve as a notice that there is a problem. I never once saw a thread like this for a great game like Heroes 3 or 4. Same issue with the "dumbing down" of the game. When enough people say that it is so then there is probably some merit to the argument. This game first appealed to a select group that enjoyed complexity. I understand that most gamers today do not care for complexity but this series was originally not for them, it was for us who do.
Then there is the issue of the fanbase being divided in H3, H4 and H5 loyalists. Most of the complaining I see lies in certain features rather than the game itself and there is also the frustration that comes from ubi's marketing plan. Under the circumstances it is to be expected.
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted April 30, 2011 07:08 PM |
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could you explain me what arguments are not bullsnow when it comes to peronal SUBJECTIVE opinion. when it jsut comes to whether you like something or not.
explain please.
Go re-read Davy and Bruk's replies to your post, they're pretty methodical.
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