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DonGio
Promising
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posted February 28, 2002 01:46 PM |
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Okay, one thing I really don't understand. A lot of clever things has been said here, and maybe the discussion of wether titans are better or worse than other creatures is interesting, but to me it seems that what Perji is saying is that he would rather have the titans without shooting than with! Lunacy, if you ask me.
You would actually rather have the titans, stats and all identical, without shooting than with. Are you aware of the fact that they don't have melee penalty? This seems incredulous to me.
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Cat
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Gonna Get Dirrty...
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posted February 28, 2002 04:45 PM |
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I think what Perji's saying is that he dislikes the fact that to make the Titan's perform well over distance, you must have:
Expert Archery
Precision
Golden Bow
Or similar. With many other creatures (such as black dragons ) You don't really need these stats/ spells/ artifacts. If you move your titans so that they are within range, it wastes a turn.
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sos
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posted February 28, 2002 06:16 PM |
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This doesnt make any sense. Of course titans are better ranged. Their speed is 11 and they do full damage (with no retaliation) inside 10 hex area. That means only if you want to hit something that is exactly 11 hexes away it "may" be better if you could perform melee attack (you have to compare half damage with no retal to full damage with retal). In all other cases ranged attack is way better. Their ranged ability is what forces the opponent to come to you and try to attach a unit to them or suffer a masive damage (even halved for range) with no retaliation.
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bjorn190
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
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posted February 28, 2002 06:41 PM |
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The battle
In a battle, what decides the tactics is often the amount of ranged damage (shooters & spells) that each side can do. The side with lesser ranged damage has to attack, wich can be costly without tactics and haste. Itīs like when the musketeers first shot, then attacked, or like pirate ships in battle, first they shoot their cannons, then they attack.
The sad thing is that shooters SUCK after the 1st round due to low hitpoints and melee penalty. This is not the case for tower and dungeon wich makes them better than other towns shooters.
Titans are not that great, because they have low speed. But I would rather have titans than Archdevils, ghost dragons or chaos hydras. Black dragons are better, gold dragons are better, arch angels are better, Ancient Behemoths are probably better too.
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ShadowLord
Promising
Famous Hero
of Dope
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posted February 28, 2002 06:49 PM |
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I don't have any problem with titans. Titans are one excellent troop in the game. I acually like to partner it with the AA. When your town is under seige and you have them with you, you'll see the value in them.
All you need is prayer or precision then match is with expert archery. They will rock the house! They are slow which is a disadvantage. But you use their speed to do your tactics, like wait! Then once the melee attacker gets closer then you can shoot them away more effective!
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Perji
Known Hero
Necromancer
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posted February 28, 2002 11:51 PM |
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Quote: Okay, one thing I really don't understand. A lot of clever things has been said here, and maybe the discussion of wether titans are better or worse than other creatures is interesting, but to me it seems that what Perji is saying is that he would rather have the titans without shooting than with! Lunacy, if you ask me.
You would actually rather have the titans, stats and all identical, without shooting than with. Are you aware of the fact that they don't have melee penalty? This seems incredulous to me.
Close, but not enough....
Quote: I think what Perji's saying is that he dislikes the fact that to make the Titan's perform well over distance, you must have:
Expert Archery
Precision
Golden Bow
Or similar. With many other creatures (such as black dragons ) You don't really need these stats/ spells/ artifacts. If you move your titans so that they are within range, it wastes a turn.
No no no... the point here is 7th level Why did they create a level 7 archer? Didn't anyone think about this yet? What was the purpose? Is the Tower weaker than other towns and they had to put the "strong" Titans, or is the Tower too powerfull and they put the "weak" Titans in there for balance
That's it. As for the original question, is right there, in my starting post. Do you think that Titans are better or worse than other lev 7s due to their archer skill?
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DonGio
Promising
Famous Hero
of Clear Water Mountain Clan
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posted March 01, 2002 03:33 PM |
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Yes, exactly. "due to their archery skill". Of course the archery skill doesn't make them worse! What you write about if they put the titan in to strengthen or weaken the tower, that's a reasonable question, but not if Titans are better or worse than other L7's because of their archery skill! It's nonsense!
If they are rated better than other L7's, that may be partly because of archery.
But if they're rated worse, it's not because of archery!
e.g.:"Yeah, the Titans would be better than the ghost dragons, if not for that accursed shooting skill!"
I just can't picture any sane people uttering those words seriously.
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted March 01, 2002 06:12 PM |
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Every lvl 7 creature has its ups and downs. Id still say that there is no best lvl 7 creature. You can have one as your favourite but there is no best one.
/Stefan
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Perji
Known Hero
Necromancer
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posted March 02, 2002 04:57 AM |
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Edited By: Perji on 9 Jul 2002
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Of course there isn't. If it were, everyone would play its town and win everytime.
Edit: and for the Titans, their main weakness is being archers
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DVZ
Known Hero
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posted March 03, 2002 02:01 PM |
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Quote: I don't have any problem with titans. Titans are one excellent troop in the game. I acually like to partner it with the AA. When your town is under seige and you have them with you, you'll see the value in them.
In siege battle Titans actually show poorer performance than Arch Magi due to Arch Magi's wall penetrating attack. Sad but true. Although of course Titans stay longer because of their HP and stats.
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bjorn190
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
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posted March 03, 2002 07:18 PM |
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Quote:
In siege battle Titans actually show poorer performance than Arch Magi due to Arch Magi's wall penetrating attack. Sad but true. Although of course Titans stay longer because of their HP and stats.
He said "if you have them with you, when your town is under siege" So they are defending the town and do not suffer wall penalty =P =P =P
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Harpy
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 03, 2002 08:19 PM |
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Not to mention the bonus the titans get against black dragons...
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DVZ
Known Hero
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posted March 03, 2002 11:53 PM |
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Quote: Not to mention the bonus the titans get against black dragons...
Ugh that's not exactly bonus, it's a double-edge weapon. It usually works against the Titans since Black Dragons are a lot faster.
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Perji
Known Hero
Necromancer
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posted July 09, 2002 06:19 PM |
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Well of course they're faster...
But just to show the weakness of the Titans, in H4 they were retrograded to level 4.... hehe
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted July 10, 2002 11:22 AM |
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Quote:
But just to show the weakness of the Titans, in H4 they were retrograded to level 4.... hehe
Is there a lvl5 creature in heroes4?
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Legolust
Adventuring Hero
Aurora Australis
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posted July 14, 2002 02:12 PM |
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Quote: Titans are the only reason why i want to use Tower. That's it.
and the 2 5th lvl spells have nothing to do with it
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted July 14, 2002 02:45 PM |
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Ya you get those titans and lvl 5 guild in an actual game, and when you got em (about month 5) im sure you will win it. Then play some multiplayer and try and do the same thing, im sure your opp wont show up until month 6 then either so you have just commen up with an awesome heroes strategy! congrats
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted July 19, 2002 01:15 AM |
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lol Stiven.
yea, in ALL of my multiplayer games, I never seen an opponent showing up before month8...
So, Titans+mage lvl5+library is veeery easy.
Just build the res. silo, thats the trick
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted July 19, 2002 10:45 AM |
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specially coz those naga queens are really cheap too 5k gold for a tower silo - easy spent
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted July 20, 2002 01:19 AM |
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yea. but, if you build capitol in week2 day2, you have enuf money to buy em all
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