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Orzie
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posted December 29, 2013 09:58 AM |
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Warmonger said:
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Deal with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otYSeUCl_O8
Wasn't this video proven to be FAKE like 3-4 years go?
Either way, Bastion is still not released and has been silent for years now. Deal with it.
It is a real Bastion beta. The reason it is frozen is because of the internal conflicts in the team
But anyway, WoG is capable of adding new towns in future, and Era therefore too - that was the point of my post.
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Salamandre
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posted December 29, 2013 10:01 AM |
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No, the fake video was by some polish guy who claimed he added a 10th town, but a change in his luck icons without reason proved he faked the video.
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Orzie
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posted December 29, 2013 10:02 AM |
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But why it's on Russian then?
http://wforum.heroes35.net/showthread.php?tid=550&pid=20022#pid20022
If so, GrayFace still says it is possible.
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Warmonger
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posted December 29, 2013 10:04 AM |
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But anyway, WoG is capable of adding new towns in future
WoG has no future, as it has been closed two years ago. Wake up!
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Orzie
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posted December 29, 2013 10:07 AM |
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Warmonger said:
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But anyway, WoG is capable of adding new towns in future
WoG has no future, as it has been closed two years ago. Wake up!
Oh, come on. You VCMI fans are all so aggressive? If your platform was an ultimate variant, well-known and 100% reliable, everyone would follow it.
[s]But barely anyone knows about it, aside from modders and forum dwellers.[/s]
WoG is reopened, actually.
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Macron1
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posted December 29, 2013 10:26 AM |
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Orzie said:
Macron1 said:
Hobbit said:
how to add new towns to SoD/ERA. 
There is no possibility of this altrough
Deal with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otYSeUCl_O8
Macron, everyone knows you want to port the whole world to VCMI, but you'd better educate more in other platforms before becoming a blind zealot of it.
What that proves?
This video is not a fake, it was made by one of WOG developers. But at first, I don't believe he will give you a code, and, second thing, this was made by Assembler inserts barely to show possibility on adding new town. It didn't work for anything but to show demo. And it's several years old, so even creator will not understand now his machine code works.
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Orzie
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posted December 29, 2013 10:28 AM |
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I don't need the code for it. I even don't care if Bastion will ever be created (it is going to be in 3.59 though). I just wanted to say that it is possible to add new towns in WoG with the help of programming.
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Salamandre
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posted December 29, 2013 10:46 AM |
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Very unlikely, IMO. I am happy Grayface is still interested in wog, but he is alone and his goals will require tremendous work + a minimal team. Erm alone can't add a new town, you still need hex editing. And we saw from HoTA how long it takes, is still not ready after 5 years, no translation, no editor, no map generator.
So I also think that wog is dead.
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posted December 29, 2013 10:57 AM |
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Hobbit said:
IIRC three-way attack without no retaliation would mean that all three units will retaliate - and that would kill these suckers very quickly.
Does not looks like this - only "primary defender" will retaliate.
On the other hand - no retaliation makes sense with these abilities. Attacked creatures forgot that they were attacked
Orzie said:
But barely anyone knows about it, aside from modders and forum dwellers.
Actually no. I was a bit surprised myself when I discovered news on open-sourced WoG on some Linux-related forums. General opinion was "forget about wog because there is vcmi".
(Check Russian sites OpenNet & Linux.org.ru if you don't believe me)
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But at first, I don't believe he will give you a code, and, second thing, this was made by Assembler inserts barely to show possibility on adding new town.
Maybe the reason is that they don't want to give code/graphics to you specifically?
AFAIK all modding teams cooperate with each other to some point.
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Orzie
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posted December 29, 2013 11:01 AM |
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Salamandre said:
Very unlikely, IMO. I am happy Grayface is still interested in wog, but he is alone and his goals will require tremendous work + a minimal team. Erm alone can't add a new town, you still need hex editing. And we saw from HoTA how long it takes, is still not ready after 5 years, no translation, no editor, no map generator.
So I also think that wog is dead.
He's not alone. The majority of the team probably will consist of Russians.
Anyways, I don't believe in other platforms unless they will be more advertised and/or developed. Everyone knows about WoG, and barely knows about HotA, VCMI, Era, you name it. I even got requests from people not to tranfer The Succession Wars Mod to VCMI because it's still buggy and undone, although I planned to do that sometime to unite the auditories. But I would not want to spend my months of free time only for 20-30 forum visitors.
For now, the only reason for me to try VCMI is the Polish Forge, so I gladly follow the updates Hobbit is posting.
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Salamandre
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posted December 29, 2013 11:13 AM |
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So far, I follow wog 359 advertising on russian forums and I did not see anyone join GF team. I see some testers, but not a single individual applying for the team. The only capable people of doing so are either in HoTA or have already their own projects. Do you know someone, so you state "they will"?
Wog/Era/VCMI fame: that people know about is not relevant, what is relevant is the stability and usage. Btw, as source of information, in chinese WoG forums, the Era sub forum has about 2000 threads and they translated every of the 70 mods we released.
Era has some advantages over wog, is the mods sub-system. It was very hard to create custom things for wog 3.58 and distribute them, now is piece of cake. Because of this, modders are more inclined to spend time and do something. And Era still has the author support and this is the most important detail. WoG 358 bugs you can shove with, there is no one to report to.
VCMI is the most promising platform, but yet has to pass the test of time, the work on is is huge and we all hope they will keep the enthusiasm and finish it. Because with a single feature missing, it will not be worth much. Like no editor or no random generator or no scripts support.
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Orzie
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posted December 29, 2013 11:33 AM |
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Edited by Orzie at 11:34, 29 Dec 2013.
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Salamandre said:
So far, I follow wog 359 advertising on russian forums and I did not see anyone join GF team. I see some testers, but not a single individual applying for the team. The only capable people of doing so are either in HoTA or have already their own projects. Do you know someone, so you state "they will"?
VCMI is the most promising platform, but yet has to pass the test of time, the work on is is huge and we all hope they will keep the enthusiasm and finish it. Because with a single feature missing, it will not be worth much. Like no editor or no random generator or no scripts support.
You might probably misunderstood that wog 3.59 thread. People join via Skype, PM on VKontakte and PM on forums mainly.
Salamandre said:
Wog/Era/VCMI fame: that people know about is not relevant, what is relevant is the stability and usage. Btw, as source of information, in chinese WoG forums, the Era sub forum has about 2000 threads and they translated every of the 70 mods we released.
Very interesting, thanks for letting me know. I need to check that in future.
Salamandre said:
VCMI is the most promising platform, but yet has to pass the test of time, the work on is is huge and we all hope they will keep the enthusiasm and finish it. Because with a single feature missing, it will not be worth much. Like no editor or no random generator or no scripts support.
Still it's not advertised, and even does not have a well-sounding name, like Horn of the Abyss or In the Wake of Gods. This is sometimes crucial for promotion - VCMI has nothing related to HMM in its name, and unfamiliar people can just say wtf.
>Because with a single feature missing, it will not be worth much.
Bingo. If all of the stated (and any other) problems will be solved, I will gladly start modding under VCMI probably. Otherwise, sorry - WoG and Era are much more convenient to deal with and advertise to many people at once at the current moment.
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Warmonger
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posted December 29, 2013 11:38 AM |
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Everyone knows about WoG, and barely knows about HotA, VCMI, Era, you name it
Do you have any statistics to prove your point? Because we do, 3819 downloads for VCMI 0.94 at the moment.
You still think about old players you know personally and not the new ones - especially those on other operating systems.
But it's all offtopic, can't wait for Forge coming in the new year
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Macron1
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posted December 29, 2013 11:48 AM |
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IvanSav said:
Maybe the reason is that they don't want to give code/graphics to you specifically?
I didn't asked for code at all, cause I don't need it.
And I don't think Bastion team hates me for something. I asked for Bastion resources, but now I don't have them except Bianor's units.
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Salamandre
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posted December 29, 2013 12:04 PM |
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Macron1
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posted December 29, 2013 12:19 PM |
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Salamandre said:
VCMI sucks.
I mean, the name.
Most of open source projects have strange names, this is not worst:-)
Like Gimp, Pinta, KDE, emacs etc.
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Dj
Promising
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Always loyal to HC
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posted December 29, 2013 03:55 PM |
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Wasn't this video proven to be FAKE like 3-4 years go?
no. the fake video was about forge and it was posted by some randoms here on hc.
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Hobbit
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posted December 29, 2013 03:56 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 15:59, 29 Dec 2013.
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They don't have money to create good names.
About WoG 3.59 - there's quite a lot of talented people in "WoG Team", surprisingly. This project can be successful, although it doesn't have to.
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 29, 2013 04:44 PM |
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now, the new unit is original. there should be more new abilities like this.
I was also wondering if the ogre will work any differently from the magog?
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted December 29, 2013 04:52 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 16:53, 29 Dec 2013.
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