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frostymuaddib
Promising
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育碧是白痴
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posted February 05, 2014 06:19 PM |
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@Hobbit
Ok, that makes sense  Btw, keep up the good work with Forge 
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
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On the Other Side!
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posted February 05, 2014 06:27 PM |
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Macron1 said:
Storm-Giant said:
Dungeon is ruled by Warlocks, they don't have necromancy...macron pls
Lol, necromancy is allowed for Warlocks. You are newbie?
Guess who is it 
Hobbit said:
Forge already has only three levels of Mage Guild. Kastore just doesn't really care about using powerful magic anymore, he and his minions believe in power of ancient weaponry and artifacts. For them magic should be used mostly as an addition to technology.
And with those stats, they certainly don't need a lot of magic to overcome their foes.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted February 05, 2014 08:25 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Guess who is it
Still denying obvious?
http://heroes.thelazy.net/wiki/Necromancy
Witches were sometimes able to learn Necromancy when leveling, but this was changed in later versions. Non-necropolis heroes can learn Necromancy from Witch Huts or Scholars if the mapmakers allow it.
So it depends on version. In WOG Warlocks were able to learn necromancy when level-up.
In SOD seems they can do it in Universities.
I didn't see witches gaining necromancy, but seems this is possible also.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted February 05, 2014 08:51 PM |
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Quote:
In SOD seems they can do it in Universities.
I didn't see witches gaining necromancy, but seems this is possible also.
Where did you get such information? Universities shouldn't allow any class to get banned skill.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 05, 2014 09:04 PM |
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revolut1oN said:
Nobody serious takes Wisdom in multiplayer in competitive games. Best spells are level 1-2. Wisdom = wasting slot. I stated that its not true in CAMPAIGN but in normal games yes, its useless. Why would u need Wisdom if all you need is Earth/Air for Slow/Haste, Cure/Dispel and Blind?
Edit: Also obviously in custom maps its perfect when u need to fight 9999 Azure Dragons you will need Wisdom - Berserk or Force Field, but im talking about normal situations here. Usually games last 3-5 weeks, and even if longer its always better to mass slow enemy than to cast ridiculous Implosion or other crap.
I never made any competitive games, when I multiplayer it's with good friends, we know the game from when it first came out and usually enjoy ourselves pretty much in XL maps, and the game last more than 3-5 weeks =)
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted February 05, 2014 09:12 PM |
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It's true, however, that when you don't have e.g. advanced Earth Magic, but expert Water Magic, Magic Arrow can be more useful than Implosion. So choosing Wisdom isn't actually a necessity for every hero, sometimes it can be a waste of a slot.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
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posted February 05, 2014 09:17 PM |
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I was talking about level-up, since that what I understood from Hobbit first message.
Of course, in the editor you can give a Knight necromancy if you want too...
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revolut1oN
Famous Hero
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posted February 06, 2014 11:00 AM |
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fred79 said:
if everyone jumped off a bridge, would you do that as well? if everyone were ambush campers in CoD, would you be one too?
the advantages of having Wisdom is access to strong spells like implosion, chain lightning, etc., for attack. the benefit of strong adventure map spells is unparallel, as well. unless, of course, they are banned in multiplayer. otherwise, they are worth it.
No mate, thats totally wrong point. I wouldn't of course jump of the bridge, but I wouldn't either turn into a newbie just for a sake of multiplayer originality in gameplay O.o
During my whole multiplayer career against non-noobs via Gameranger I haven't seen ANY single time sombody used Chain Lightning or Implossion in battle against me. (well, there was one time when my enemy got extremely lucky and accumulated about 35 power with Galthran in 2,5 weeks, legion of skellies + Implossion was nasty then, he visited a big part of Jebus desert and got some nice battles + awesome arties) Why? Their mana/efficiency ratio is very bad. Some spells like Sacrifice might be useful, but still that happens in 1 battle out of 100 while you need Offense or Armourer everytime. Benefits of slow or blind are just far greater than high level spells. Adventure spells are of course always banned, because they are simply imbalanced and no-skill.
Of course that's just talking, I would like to play vs every Wisdom-whiner here.
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 06, 2014 06:25 PM |
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revolut1oN said:
Of course that's just talking, I would like to play vs every Wisdom-whiner here.
wisdom whiner? lol, you come up with that all by yourself? took you long enough to reply, i guess you had to come up with something. even if it was the equivalent of saying, "you smell like doo-doo".
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted February 06, 2014 06:31 PM |
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fred79 said:
revolut1oN said:
Of course that's just talking, I would like to play vs every Wisdom-whiner here.
wisdom whiner? lol, you come up with that all by yourself? took you long enough to reply, i guess you had to come up with something. even if it was the equivalent of saying, "you smell like doo-doo".
Don't waste your time on persons like him. You'll get silenced for talking with stooges.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted February 06, 2014 07:08 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 19:10, 06 Feb 2014.
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Macron, if you don't like this site, then you can just leave. Nobody is stopping you.
fred79 said:
took you long enough to reply
People have real lifes.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted February 06, 2014 07:15 PM |
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Hobbit said:
Macron, if you don't like this site, then you can just leave. Nobody is stopping you.
I like this site, I don't like some people here.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted February 06, 2014 07:19 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 19:38, 06 Feb 2014.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted February 06, 2014 07:30 PM |
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Hobbit said:
Like moderators who silence you for "talking with stoogers"?
"Stooges", not "Stoogers". Revolution is a pure provocateur.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted February 06, 2014 07:35 PM |
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Macron1, you realize that some here provokes you because they know you like having the last word in EVERY argue, then they will report to moderator asap and finally get you penalized?
Seeing that the thread again goes of-top we can expect penalties soon, would be a much better idea to continue the excellent work you do on VCMI and ignore other subjects.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted February 06, 2014 07:41 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 19:41, 06 Feb 2014.
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Macron1 said:
"Stooges", not "Stoogers".
Pardon, typo.
Anyhow, what Salamandre said. Let's go back on-topic, and if you are really going to try to insult anyone like that, then go somewhere else. This is a discussion about a game, not about others intelligence.
Macron, maybe I should ask you again, because it confuses me a bit:
I said:
Quote:
In SOD seems they can do it in Universities.
I didn't see witches gaining necromancy, but seems this is possible also.
Where did you get such information? Universities shouldn't allow any class to get banned skill.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted February 06, 2014 08:23 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 15:12, 07 Feb 2014.
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Hobbit said:
Where did you get such information? Universities shouldn't allow any class to get banned skill.
I checked right now current WOG/SOD installation. Warlocks don't get Necromancy in univercities.
But I strongly can say I played for a long time a version of HMM3, where they learned Necromancy at least in univercities.
Now i'm based on HMM3 Gold Edition.
UPD Here it also says that Warlocks have 1/112 chance to learn necromancy (for Example, Resistance is 0 - blocked)
http://www.rpglegion.com/heroes3/heroes/warlock.htm
PS Demoniacs is also said to have Necromancy chance:
http://www.rpglegion.com/heroes3/heroes/demoniac.htm
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 06, 2014 08:34 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 21:15, 06 Feb 2014.
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i had stated a case here, but i decided not to bother. i was agreeing with sal, anyway.
has there been any advancement on Forge lately?
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted February 06, 2014 09:27 PM |
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted February 07, 2014 08:38 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 20:40, 07 Feb 2014.
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