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DoubleDeck
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posted September 17, 2013 09:44 AM |
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Elvin said:
Times have definitely changed and rush can work much better now, in which case you have no reason to include units above lvl 3.
Speaking of which, Enclase just posted that he started a new deck and got to 1501 at level 58. Quite an achievement. His Sandalphon deck has no creatures above lvl 3 and the main water/air spells:
http://www.mmdoc.net/show_deck/10884/
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RedEmperor30
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posted September 17, 2013 10:03 AM |
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DoubleDeck said:
Elvin said:
Times have definitely changed and rush can work much better now, in which case you have no reason to include units above lvl 3.
Speaking of which, Enclase just posted that he started a new deck and got to 1501 at level 58. Quite an achievement. His Sandalphon deck has no creatures above lvl 3 and the main water/air spells:
http://www.mmdoc.net/show_deck/10884/
i am not sure the_enclase is enclase... but i came up against him yesterday with pretty much this deck vs my rotting flesh, 1501 + battle, his deck magic'd my ass and his creatures dealt the final blow - nice deck!! gr8 area spells and control.
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RMZ1989
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posted September 17, 2013 10:04 AM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 10:33, 17 Sep 2013.
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DoubleDeck said:
Elvin said:
Times have definitely changed and rush can work much better now, in which case you have no reason to include units above lvl 3.
Speaking of which, Enclase just posted that he started a new deck and got to 1501 at level 58. Quite an achievement. His Sandalphon deck has no creatures above lvl 3 and the main water/air spells:
http://www.mmdoc.net/show_deck/10884/
You mean, like every other Sandalphon deck out there? 
I am not as surprised as others, I know that it isn't easy to reach 1501, but he has 2 Wolf Captains, both Unique spells, and 3 Geysers, almost optimal Sandalphon deck that is currently among the best decks out there. He could maybe cut the Griffin Battle Priest, add 2 Wolf Captains and maybe 1 Geyser and cut something else, and it would be optimal in my opinion.
RedEmperor30 said:
i am not sure the_enclase is enclase... but i came up against him yesterday with pretty much this deck vs my rotting flesh, 1501 + battle, his deck magic'd my ass and his creatures dealt the final blow - nice deck!! gr8 area spells and control.
He is, I played against his Xorm like 2 months ago, when I've beat him in a swiss final, I've added him as a friend and was chatting with him. You can also see that if you watch his stream. 
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NamelessOrder
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posted September 17, 2013 11:24 AM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Oky
You must understand that haven is not an offensive faction, they focuse on deffence and long time advantages.
i don't think i have long-time advantages
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your talk about 3+ attack creatures was unnecessary. Banshee is AFAIK the only (or one of the only) playable creature that is so expensive. Just because there are some big creature with great stats it doesn't mean that they are playable.
And i only said about offensive one drop creatures.
I understand that good abilities can outweigh lower stats (take decay spitter for example). And necro is a great example of great creatures but with lower stats. And not only that, it's much easier for necro player to recycle units and kill opponent main units.
Even more: look at the no-rare tournament ban list, proposed ban list. Look at creatures like Neo Lich, Succumbus and compare it to expert markemen, look at Untamed Wraith - if i don't have a spell this kills me. And don't get me started on 4-drops. There is a reason why almost nobody plays with 4+/x/x haven heroes, it's mostly 3/x/x. Hell, even i don't use 4 might creatures and i'm playing in Elo 1050-1100 range.
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Each faction has its own pros and cons.
yes, and i'm just trying to prove to you that wolf captain in the main pro of haven.
Dave_Jame said:
Now to Sanctuary.....
.... But sanctuary is not weak.
You are absolutely right about sanc. I've never said that Sanc is weak, actually it looks pretty strong. A bit too many melee creature but what creatures: spring spirit: 2/2/4 magic for 2, that's the best in the game, except DA or WC.
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The_Polyglot
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posted September 17, 2013 11:56 AM |
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NamelessOrder said:
You are absolutely right about sanc. I've never said that Sanc is weak, actually it looks pretty strong. A bit too many melee creature but what a creatures: spring spirit: 2/2/4 magic for 2, that's the best in the game, except DA or WC.
Yep. Now name another good 2-drop 
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RMZ1989
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posted September 17, 2013 12:01 PM |
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Few days ago I was playing with my Adar-Malik(6-3-4 build or something like that), just for fun. And I encountered something amazing, I played against Sandalphon that by turn 6 played 4 Wolf Captains, I was in awe how lucky he is with his draw.
He played like 1 Tithe Collector, 3 Wolf Captain, Griffin and Marksman, I killed everything with Forbidden Flame, then next turn he played Griffin, Tithe Collector, Radiant Golry and again Wolf Captain, or something like that.
Needless to say, my ass was kicked, quite badly.
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NamelessOrder
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posted September 17, 2013 12:53 PM |
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The_Polyglot said:
Yep. Now name another good 2-drop
i don't know if that was rhetorical but: Peddler xD
i dunno what is good 4 u but i consider liches and succubuses good: 2/0/4, magic, shooter, no retaliation. Griffins and harpies are decent.
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@RMZ1989: now imagine the same game w/o wolf captain.
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The_Polyglot
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posted September 17, 2013 12:58 PM |
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Wrong! Peddler's Neutral, doesn't count. I meant another Naga 2-drop. Point is, all else is sub-par. Meaning, You either have DAs to compensate, or You'll be in trouble whenever You don't draw your Spirit.
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Dave_Jame
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posted September 17, 2013 01:05 PM |
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Waterfall guardians is a notable substitute.. can beused as a good block and their abilitie helps to keep the field like you want it.. Still They are just placeholders in madeck
Whitee fox can be good for fortune boost. I think its OK as well but not a must have like spirits..
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The_Polyglot
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posted September 17, 2013 01:08 PM |
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Guardians are not nearly as versatile as other factions' alternatives, they're mediocre at best... and all the other walls are better.
Fox may be used in a high fortune deck, sure... but Naga fortunes basically stop at 3, and with his stats, he dies way too fast.
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RMZ1989
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posted September 17, 2013 01:15 PM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 13:16, 17 Sep 2013.
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NamelessOrder said:
@RMZ1989: now imagine the same game w/o wolf captain.
I've played against the guys that didn't have a single WC(or just didn't draw it), and they would still beat me or give me tough time just because of the Sandalphon, his Spell Schools and his Special ability.
Song of the Lost/Strength of the Sea/Lighting Strike/Ice Splinters/Geyser, all those spells are really good.
And even if Haven and Necropolis are "defensive" factions, they hit pretty good when Strength of the Sea is up.
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DoubleDeck
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posted September 17, 2013 01:20 PM |
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RedEmperor30 said:
i am not sure the_enclase is enclase... but i came up against him yesterday with pretty much this deck vs my rotting flesh, 1501 + battle, his deck magic'd my ass and his creatures dealt the final blow - nice deck!! gr8 area spells and control.
It's the same person....he started a new account and got to 1501 at level 58 after month and a half!
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Dave_Jame
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posted September 17, 2013 06:54 PM |
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wow. got my first XP boost in the dayly rewards
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Dave_Jame
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posted September 18, 2013 06:56 PM |
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I have the feeling I suck at this game and should stop playing
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Elvin
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posted September 18, 2013 07:10 PM |
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Bad doc day?
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Dave_Jame
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posted September 18, 2013 07:16 PM |
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lots of them... I have the feeling the game already moved to something like Mtg which I hate for manchkin features.
It just looks like there are 3-4 types o deck
Might of nature
SotS
Necro abuse¨
Pao abuse
Noting else.
Things like MMDOC.net give people a picture that they just copy and paste, Nobady thiks all just go for "snow this is the best"
Macht Making sucks.. really At 1k 7 pairs with 1,5k+ players.. I dont like that
Epice spells and paos ruin the game for me.. really
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Elvin
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posted September 18, 2013 07:41 PM |
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Just play a deck that can counter them You do not have to depend on epic spells to get the job done, last time cucu went to T1 he did so with a fortune Acamas. Hell, Shaar rush has hit 1500 and then there is this guy who got there with a Kat Warlord-altar of wishes combo  Besides, people copying decks are good for you. Most of them are noobs who cannot play the deck well and lose out of inexperience.
And if you are to complain about matchmaking what should I say when 50% of my matches are vs 1000
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Dave_Jame
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posted September 18, 2013 08:05 PM |
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Actually I dont have an idea how to counter such a thing like Dhamiria.. with her discarding abilitie.. who made that one up should get a kick in the nuts...
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RMZ1989
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posted September 18, 2013 08:36 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Actually I dont have an idea ho to counter sich thing like Dhamiria.. wit her discarding abilitie.. who made that one up should get a kick in the nuts...
I approve this idea!
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Elvin
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posted September 18, 2013 09:31 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 21:31, 18 Sep 2013.
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I make a habit of leaving myself exposed by the least amount of possible deck types and if a certain hero or two kick my @ss more often than the rest, I'm fine with that. Malik has trouble vs otk and Dhamiria vs Malik so it kinda comes full circle. Dhamiria's special is powerful but it always involves an element of risk and it will often leave her exposed. If the opponent has control of the field the ability is a no no so you can start from there. Just earlier I baited a Dhamiria with my peddler's light of tomorrow and when she discarded it I used an earthquake and beat her lifepoints with 4 units Even if she does use it successfully, she sacrifices board presence which she desperately needs. Might of nature and forbidden flame are a pain in the @ss so I tend to be careful about how many units I have on the field and always try to have a dispel or a way to 'outmaneuver' her units She's pretty beatable, just tricky in the hands of an experienced player.
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