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DoubleDeck
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posted October 29, 2013 05:48 PM

Shot Emp!

Yeah, I hear you, achievements are, for me, a personal milestone each time I get one...

The fun thing about achievements, especially winning 20 duels with each faction or even more difficult, winning a swiss with each faction is that you learn to play each faction. I was an Inferno addict, then getting to know Sanc (Akane) and Necro (Adar) playing them gave me some fresh gameplay. One should not stick to one faction only, it can get boring.
My favourite achievement was overkilling opponent by 9 damage and this I think one can really only do with Kelthor.
I think if they take out the OP heroes (Ammar, Crag, etc.) and make all heroes sort of the same strength, one could have more fun and have to strategize more in gameplay.

Still digging DoC, going for my 25 swiss wins with my trusted Garant, and JP's with Crag again. Then the big one: win a jackpot! Phew!

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Dave_Jame
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posted October 29, 2013 06:41 PM

Here is my Deck Red if you want to try it
http://www.mmdoc.net/show_deck/13487/
Current changes:
1: Events are made to counter current meta so 4x Blind arbiters (Carefull double edge), 2x Rise of the Neth., 2x Day of Sanctuary
2: I play one less revised tactics
3: Added Raya when got her
4: Took out the Monsoons. I found out they are not really worth the price. 3 magic is usually late, since you need them to block early spells like Earthq. and Wesps. But if you want the I would took out one gayseer and a Lightning strike, ice splitters or a fortune card.

As for Crag
Currently playing him a lot as well (80-90% of my games) I'm steady around 1400 elo. But as Double I have a bad experience with JP.
My deck is aswell based on the one posted by Double.
Changes:
1: took out Zefiria, 2 blood huts and one Oliphant
2: Added 2x sahaar Hunter (good against other Crags) and 2x Stampeed (For the last hit in later game)
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EvilNuff
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posted October 29, 2013 06:51 PM

IMO Zefiria is a must have for Crag.  She alone wins you games all over the place.  Also Oliphants are critical for the deck, early they are great DA protection and late they are amazing with sacrificial altar.

As for achievements I am getting pretty low on the list left to complete.  I have not completed the use 10 gold/xp boost ones.  I am missing 1 card from FW, light gazal, but I have over 200 wild cards so I can complete those two achievements anytime I want.  I still need to do the 209 card deck and winning the jackpot.  Hmm now that I am 1501 I probably will do the 209 card deck one soon.

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posted October 29, 2013 09:51 PM

I don't use Zelfira, too situational...

I must say since I put 4 tainted orcs and 3 stampedes...my crag wins are steadying nicely...winning some swisses....but swisses are easy compared to jackpots

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posted October 29, 2013 10:13 PM

****ing ubi servers.. When will they fix this damn game?
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Dave_Jame
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posted October 29, 2013 10:31 PM

Soon®

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DoubleDeck
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posted October 30, 2013 07:13 AM

Yeah, still some swiss bugs...and I notice more and more that entering duels take a long time to load (and I have just upgraded my internet too)

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RMZ1989
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posted October 30, 2013 09:46 AM
Edited by RMZ1989 at 09:48, 30 Oct 2013.

DoubleDeck said:
I don't use Zelfira, too situational...

I must say since I put 4 tainted orcs and 3 stampedes...my crag wins are steadying nicely...winning some swisses....but swisses are easy compared to jackpots

Told you, Tainted Orcs are just too good to skip(I also tried to play without them, didn't work as good as with them), and many games I've lost with opponent left between 1 HP and 6 HP, but since I start using Stampedes, I win a lot more.

Zelfira isn't situational at all. You will always need her ability in Crag Hack deck, because it gives you a board control, something that is quite hard with Crag Hack, because your DAs/Tainted Orcs/Vulture Riders just keep swifting and killing enemy creatures, and if they are too tanky you keep attacking enemy hero.
She also has Magic Resist, and is creature with 6 HP, so she is amazing against spell damage dealing heroes or for blocking magic units.
She has bit higher cost and requirement, but it is completely justified for what she brings to the table.

Still, I disagree with Evil, because I don't think that she is mandatory, saw a lot of Crag Hacks doing great job without her, and in many my games, I don't even manage to draw her out, but definitely among better cards for Crag Hack deck.
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DoubleDeck
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posted October 30, 2013 12:15 PM

By situational I mean she is Unique so you might not get her in your hand...plus that 1 magic stat requirement does throw off the 4/0/2 mechanics behind a great deck.

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RMZ1989
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posted October 30, 2013 01:44 PM
Edited by RMZ1989 at 13:46, 30 Oct 2013.

DoubleDeck said:
By situational I mean she is Unique so you might not get her in your hand...plus that 1 magic stat requirement does throw off the 4/0/2 mechanics behind a great deck.

Yes, but as many other decks, you don't rush for 4-0-2 with Crag. I often end the game with 3-0-1, 2-0-1 or 4-0-0. You will go for 1 in Magic just in turn that you need to play her, and you usually won't rush her(except if you don't have better cards). Same goes for fortunes, you will get 2 in Destiny just when you need Stampedes.
And I see what do you mean by her being unique, but that doesn't make her situational but somewhat unreliable.
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EvilNuff
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posted October 30, 2013 08:29 PM

By mandatory I do not mean she is required to win, I mean she is too good to not put in your deck.  For example, DA should go in every crag hack deck.  Can you win without drawing any of them?  Sure, but you will win more including 4.  Same with Zephiria, every crag hack deck is better by including her.  That is what I mean by mandatory.

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DoubleDeck
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posted October 30, 2013 09:43 PM

It's that 1 magic stat that puts me off....if by turn 5 you don't have control of the game, then it's tickets for Hack...plus you can't rely on unique pitching up every time...

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posted October 31, 2013 12:20 PM

Can anyone give me some Sanct Akane pointers? I have a general idea, but it'd be great to have someone to discuss her with.
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posted October 31, 2013 12:36 PM

I must say the most enjoyable duels I had was with Akane. Getting the swiss win was easy with her. 4/4/0 build.
Your obvious main goal is lane clears to get damage through every turn.
Lane clearage:
So the outmanoevre creatures: Coral Priestess, Dune prowlers, and unique Nyorai-Sairensa.
Spells: Town portal, Wind gust, lightning strike, lightning bolt, song of the lost

Other creatures:
Shinje Warriors & Sayama Champions very NB.
Sayama Stalker also NB for ambush.
Naga yokujin, spring spirits, shark guards, paos

Events:
Week of Merc, Week of taxes

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RMZ1989
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posted October 31, 2013 12:44 PM

I was trying to make a Seria deck, tried a ton of combinations(5-4-3, 6-3-4, 6-3-2, 5-1-4) and this one was the most successful for me(had the best win streaks, and reached ~1390 ELO before I changed the deck).

http://www.mmdoc.net/show_deck/16615/

It isn't exactly the same deck, it had some changes, but those were quite minor. I would like to know what do you guys think?
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posted October 31, 2013 09:16 PM

I like it, very cool and versatile.

Just one thing, why not cursed bound instead of shadow image?

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EvilNuff
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posted October 31, 2013 09:37 PM

Cursed bound is a bad card.  First it is reactive not proactive, it relys on either your opponent performing an action to gain benefit or on another card in combination (firey rage, mass rage, etc) to gain benefit.  Both make it weak.  It generates card disadvantage (multiple cards to gain an uncertain effect) vs shadow image which can generate card advantage in addition to the desire goal of damage.

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RMZ1989
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posted November 01, 2013 12:31 AM

EvilNuff said:
Cursed bound is a bad card.  First it is reactive not proactive, it relys on either your opponent performing an action to gain benefit or on another card in combination (firey rage, mass rage, etc) to gain benefit.  Both make it weak.  It generates card disadvantage (multiple cards to gain an uncertain effect) vs shadow image which can generate card advantage in addition to the desire goal of damage.

Yeah, pretty much this. Shadow Image is too good to skip, Shadow Imaging Anael, killing 2 Creatures of the same row and healing yours at the same time, or Atropos to get 2 of your creatures from the graveyard, Decay Spitter that basically instantly kills anything with 5 HP and below if it casts poison and attacks that creature at the same time, or Banshee etc. The combinations are endless because there are many very good creatures, I won one game just because I used Shadow Image on Raya Seductress, and kept her alive(enemy didn't have anything to kill her and she was in a free row).

That said, I don't think that Cursed Bound is a bad card, but it is quite situational, I suppose.
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EvilNuff
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posted November 01, 2013 06:29 AM

There are some cursed bound decks combined with rage (fiery or mass) that are sort of coming into vogue.  Frankly, they're junk.  Here is why:
First they rely on a combo where the cards are of no use alone.  

Second, it is a very fragile combo and if you eliminate one part of it then the other part becomes dead cards.  

Third, one of common (erroneous) arguments for these decks is "oh they do well vs rush decks like crag and ishuma".  Baloney!  Crag plays with sac altar, Ishuma plays with cleansing light.  DA in crag for example is designed for early pressure, once the game advances to the point where this combo can come out the DA are expendable.  

So when you think about it cursed bound + rage cards is really a garbage combo...and that's the pinnacle of cursed bound's usage.  So yeah...bad card is an understatement...complete garbage would be more accurate.

(PS All my comments are from a competitive deck point of view, if you want to play for fun then anything is viable of course.)

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DoubleDeck
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posted November 01, 2013 09:14 AM

I hear what you say EvilNuff and agree to a point but wouldn't say Cursed bound is such a bad card, it cna be used on it's own to halter those rush decks. Until Ammar is tamed, Shadow image won't help, but cursed bound can.

Just want to I had a good run with Adar using cursed bound, rage and void wraiths. It's a cool combo. Especially with Necro that has high HP troops. But yes, it's situational and that's where I agree with you.


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