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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
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posted November 01, 2013 09:41 AM |
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I love that deck.
Ive been experimenting with something similar, but lack enought of the mass rages to make it work
This said its no good for JP or Swiss.. to easylly to kontr. But the fun factor in these decks is HUGE. One of the best fun decks out there.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted November 01, 2013 09:48 AM |
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I saw a lot of those Void Wraith/Mass Rage/Cursed Bound combo decks, and I am not talking about them, I know that they are for fun mostly.
I am talking that if you include like 2 Cursed Bounds in some control type of the deck(or even a rush), it won't be the end of the world, and can be quite handy in some situations.
The card is far from bad from what I see, but that said, the standard of word "bad" may be quite different from a player to player. Bad cards for me are those that are close to useless in most decks.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
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posted November 01, 2013 10:31 AM |
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@Dave_jame: I prefer single rage to the mass one for this deck. Rather isolate the cursed creature than lose control from your side...
But agree, it's no JP material but can win swisses though...
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted November 01, 2013 10:51 AM |
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Everything what has an idea can win a swiss.. I won one with my No-rare kittens
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 01, 2013 01:31 PM |
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Depends on how noobish your opponents are  It's just that random.
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EvilNuff
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 01, 2013 07:19 PM |
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One of the core things about rush decks is they ignore their own life trying to kill the opponent first. When I played crag hack (two t1 jackpot finishes and a 33 game win streak) I would literally just ignore cursed bound...it had no impact on the game. It was just a wasted card for the opponent.
I am not saying that there are not situations where it is not a terrible card, I am saying I have yet to see one or hear one described.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 01, 2013 09:11 PM |
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Yes, such a card may not slow down the opponent at all. After all, random Garant used to run week of austerity
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted November 02, 2013 10:44 AM |
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Elvin said:
Yes, such a card may not slow down the opponent at all. After all, random Garant used to run week of austerity
Yes, and one Random Garant(me) lost a lot of games because of it, when luck with the event wasn't on my side. Eventually, if you just ignore your life points, people can get the control, and it will be a lot easier for them to beat you.
I am not saying it is a great, or even a good card, but still I wouldn't call it garbage.
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EvilNuff
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 04, 2013 07:15 AM |
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I often reply to people in forums with somewhat extreme views using polarizing words...so let me take a different approach. I cannot think of any viable serious deck (in this case I mean a deck that I would play with intentions of making t1 jackpot -or- be willing to farm swisses with) with cursed bounds in it that I could not improve by the removal of cursed bounds.
So, given that opinion I submit to you that one of two things is true...either:
1) I might be wrong and someone might come up with a legit serious deck that has cursed bound in it, and cannot be improved by removing said cursed bound. I would be more than willing to entertain any such discussion btw.
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2) It is a terrible card. After all, if a card has no place in *any* serious competitive deck then frankly it sucks.
That's the reasoning for my stance if that helps.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted November 04, 2013 08:33 AM |
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Neh.. you take it way to seriusly :-D
The game is not only about jackpot and T1 decks. Sure Cursed bound is not a core card that is a game changer, but it is a powerfull tool to influence the options and plans of your opponent. Sure, passive decks are very unrealyable, since you need the opponent to play in order for them to work, but they are fun and forcing the enemy to lose cards on killing his own creatures is not a bad move, Be it Cursed bound, or Cursed chain.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
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posted November 04, 2013 09:11 AM |
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Exactly, agree with Dave_jame.
Cursed bound + Fiery rage + hitting your Void Wraith is just simply fun and cool to play when it works. And remember, it is not the only strength of a deck, just a part of it. Using soul reavers, shadow images, are viable in these decks as well...but yes not for competitive T1 stuff...
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted November 04, 2013 09:26 AM |
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In other words Cursed bound can be the nice little twist in your deck that can give you the upper hand
Just like Sahaar Hunter, for a Stronghold creature he is very weak. We have creatures with more HP and/or attack potential, but his bilite helps you keep a free line to attack the hero, and his is usefull in such a deck.
The fact that a card is not a must have like Lightining strike, Fire ball or Soulreaver does not make it a bad card.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
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posted November 04, 2013 01:12 PM |
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So to make Cursed bound a "must have" card to compare to those other spells you mentoined, the effect should be "do damage to enemy hero equal to creature's attack PLUS two" or something like that...
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted November 04, 2013 01:33 PM |
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Well for one I don't even wont it to became a "MUST HAVE" the less must have cards there are the better imho.
And even the chang you suggested woul not help. The opponent would just not attack at all, would use the cursed unit to block. You would still need some kind of a trigger like rage or Hellfire maniac to force him to attack.
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EvilNuff
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 04, 2013 04:13 PM |
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Fun for me is winning games...so "cool to play" combos typically annoy me because they are sub-optimal. So really typical "fun" cards are, to me, the opposite of fun.
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
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posted November 04, 2013 04:54 PM |
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Decided I'm sick of rushing, result:
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted November 04, 2013 08:15 PM |
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Wow Poly!
So how did Altar of Wishes allow you to play a Shi-no-shi at those stats?
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
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posted November 04, 2013 08:28 PM |
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Goldpile+Battle Trance+Time of Need+Altar of Wishes.
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NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
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posted November 04, 2013 11:41 PM |
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@Poly
if you like bringing big creatures, maybe you should consider Xorm/Garant Trollgate deck: http://tools.mmdocking.com/replays/show/10
Regarding the previous discussion about using subpar cards, in principle, i agree with Evil_Nuff.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
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posted November 05, 2013 05:55 AM |
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The_Polyglot said:
Goldpile+Battle Trance+Time of Need+Altar of Wishes.
Battle trance = 2 cost
Time of need = 7 cost
How did you manange this on turn 3?
@Nameless & EvilNuff: Sorry dudes, I think the "must have" cards for winning are becoming boring, soulreaver...wow, forbidden flame...wow what skill...seeing the same heroes, Dhamira, Ishuma, Sandal, Cass...
On the other hand (I have four fingers and a thumb) when you curse a tainted orc and rage him against your void wraith, seeing enemy hero take 8 damage...well it's very satisfying, even though it's situational and not reliable...that's fun.
Do you think Ammar is fun? He wins games, but fun? Nah...
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