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posted February 11, 2016 07:32 PM |
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I think it's more fun the way it is now. If anything, blink dagger should be further simplified to blink the max distance when you click out of its range.
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posted February 11, 2016 09:31 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
Who the snow is this arc warden and why is he here?
One of the last introduced heroes back in Dota 1. I'm not sure, perhaps he was released at the same time as Earth Spirit or something of that sort. I was rather surprised seeing Earth Spirit converted to Dota 2 so fast, but it was mainly to have the three (Storm, Ember and Earth) together sooner.
And yes, Pit Lord is taking his sweet time to get released. The good news is that after releasing him, the next hero, if any, will be all unique and Dota 2 original: finally.
For these new modifications, got the whole idea of them and I got used already. Of course, having a game full of people blinking makes it a bit unnerving.
Also played against a naix using ancients to cause a bit of havoc. And he was annoying with radiance on that dragon. Funny thing is that my team mates often ignored him, while the dragon was blasting here and there, casting that mini-jakiro-ulti, then sprouting brightly killing everyone. As usual, I was supporting snowty carriers, hoping with all my might that they grew some more brains, which didn't happen. Meanwhile, we had an alchemist which had a pusher build ... without tps.
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posted February 11, 2016 09:35 PM |
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I once played this game as a supporter, preferably making a very fat pugna.
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The_Green_Drag
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posted February 11, 2016 10:25 PM |
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PandaTar said:
The good news is that after releasing him, the next hero, if any, will be all unique and Dota 2 original: finally.
Hey Panda 
Its about time we get a valve original hero. I just hope they can pull one off without using any kind of illusion or blink spell, and without any kind of farming help. I'm done with all of that 
As for the changes, I just find it annoying because wards are becoming a necessity for every game now, since I cant go a game without someone getting blink dagger. Usually at least 2 or 3 get one. Constant map awareness won't get you many wins anymore. And nearly every game my team is expecting one guy to hard support  
I like the new items though. Particularly dragon lance and Octane Orb.
What is hard getting used to is all the map changes! A lot of my old ward spots don't work anymore 
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posted February 12, 2016 05:55 AM |
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I think the game became more about fights and position instead of just a farm boredom, which is something I like. Been a while since I last played tho, haven't even touched this patch.
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mvassilev
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posted February 12, 2016 08:12 AM |
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The_Green_Drag said:
And nearly every game my team is expecting one guy to hard support
Isn't that how it's always been and how it's supposed to be?
And the 5-man fighting metas are both more fun to watch and to play, for me.
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Herry
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posted February 12, 2016 08:23 AM |
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As you can see, last game, I played as a half SUPPORT Zeus, and BEGGED everyone to farm, but I ended up outfarming the whole team. It's pitiful
I'm not going to let these scrubs carry(much less HARD carry) again. What kind of Phantom Assassin has 260 GPM, that's just bullsnow.
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posted February 12, 2016 09:43 AM |
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NOW WE TALKING!
Completely rekt the enemy team. I did get a slightly delayed radiance(22 min mark), but I still completely wrecked the enemy team when I got my Heart of Tarrasque and Butterfly. Then I got killed. Pissed, I rushed up an Abyssal blade, sold my diffusal blade for it, and then I was unkillable. I didn't even have to use Reality anymore. Every time I popped Haunt, all you hear is "DOUBLE KILL! TRIPLE KILL!"
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posted February 12, 2016 11:51 AM |
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I don't get it, how come some members of your team have significantly more money than you despite you having almost 2x more kills and roughly the same assists?
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Stevie
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posted February 12, 2016 12:13 PM |
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posted February 12, 2016 02:08 PM |
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mvassilev said:
The_Green_Drag said:
And nearly every game my team is expecting one guy to hard support
Isn't that how it's always been and how it's supposed to be?
And the 5-man fighting metas are both more fun to watch and to play, for me.
Not quite. Sometimes, to get even matches against a team with 2 supps or 1 supp and 1 semi-supp, hard supping may not be enough to counter wards, sentries and whatnot.
I don't fancy doing hard supp, although I usually play like that due people just thinking it'll be enough, and then, not altogether few times, we may lose because the other team have 2 supps sharing chores and getting items.
I remember sadly this last match playing hard supp as Jakiro, having my ass beaten all the time, but trying to get wards and sentries and dusts to match 2 enemy supps and a rikimaru, and protect my weaver carrier - only to have that same carrier complain that there was no ward and sentries late game (and there I was, only with an ordinary boot and a wand and no items whatsoever, having to deal with that sort of mundane and stinking comment or a carrier who didn't pay attention to my effort all game). Suddenly, it was my fault the rest of the team simply sucked hard to cope.
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posted February 12, 2016 03:15 PM |
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^^^^
Exactly! Through my many years of experience I've found 2 people supporting is always more efficient and more fun for everyone. Not throwing it all on one guy to play the weakling who can't buy any items, can't have any fun, and has to listen to people constantly complaining. It's not worth it, not even for a win. I have a patience limit of one game with this and then I'm not doing it anymore for the rest of the day.
The thing that makes it even more irritation is I mostly enjoy play heroes like abbadon, visage, mirana, and others who are labeled as supports for some reason? So even when I pick like 1st 2nd or even 3rd and say "I'm not supporting" people just get mad or ignore me and except me to support...
Stevie said:
I think the game became more about fights and position instead of just a farm boredom, which is something I like. Been a while since I last played tho, haven't even touched this patch.
I agree with the first part, but the game is definitely more about farming imho. Every game has at least one hero just farming most of the game. The days of building a ganking build and banking off of hero kills seem to be gone. Every other game I see a hand of Midas on each team...and constant junglers.
I do like the bigger focus on team fights. Only rats like rat dota 
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posted February 12, 2016 05:53 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
The thing that makes it even more irritation is I mostly enjoy play heroes like abbadon, visage, mirana, and others who are labeled as supports for some reason?
I gather these are semi-carrier-support heroes, flexible because they can hinder the enemy from farming, while giving means for your carrier to farm. Some Abbadon and Mirana builds are good for carrying at certain point, also having means to have build for supporting and being core. These are, at my view, the most interesting heroes when you get bored of supporting only.
I have played Nightstalker in a semi-supporting role with some entertaining and successful results (we were having some problems with many blinking foes, so aghanim fit nicely to help chasing and avoiding ganks; I had first to shut up my carrier calling the item useless after showing the positive effect that led us to turn around the table), a semi-supporting role with DK, or Gondar ... those were fun. But I had awful moments with Earthshaker or Witch Doctor, trying to hard support 3-4 HCs, people picking not caring about anything else, not being able to be truly effective due lack of gold and constant ambushes. It drove me mad not being able to prevent imminent disgrace.
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posted February 12, 2016 06:41 PM |
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I was forced to play hard carry Medusa due to Spectre on the enemy team, and a Meepo! A damn Meepo!
I never wanted to slap myself so hard...
What happened? Well, the Meepo was kicking our asses, and his HP was too much for us... It was at that moment that I decided: Divine Rapier is the only solution... And it worked. I died, the enemy almost had it, but I quickly bought back and snatched it. Then I died again, but Razor got it. Then I took it yet again, but I died. Then I went afk(it was necessary, for RL reasons). I don't know what happened or how my team lost, but we did.
Lesson: First time using Divine Rapier in a pub, and last unless I'm a Kunkka
I was going to get a Satanic, with the damage of the Rapier, it would've been good... But I didn't have time to. First time I acknowledge I'm the reason my team lost.
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posted February 12, 2016 08:41 PM |
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I love to see people play a hero and take on a role that isn't the norm. I've seen successful skeleton king and antimage supports, just like I've seen necro, earthshaker, and abandons out carry a faceless or PA.
Honestly I'm gonna try support nightstalker cause that sounds awesome. I like to get as many auras as I can. Drums, vlads, pipe (that aura is awesome!) guardian greaves, AC, and shiva if I can make it to late game
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posted February 12, 2016 09:58 PM |
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Sure, try it. ^_^
Yesterday I first played with Legion in a pub and got it alright, won. Not that brilliant of a game, but the team did well.
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Herry
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posted February 14, 2016 11:50 AM |
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Invoker MMR: 1953
Team avg. MMR: 781
Completely legit matchmaking...
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posted February 15, 2016 02:36 PM |
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He was merely accompanying some other lower MMR friends.
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Herry
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posted February 15, 2016 03:08 PM |
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In solo matchmaking.. Surely legit...
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Herry
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posted February 19, 2016 09:18 AM |
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Guys, I'm making a guide for Dota 2(it's somewhat an unconventional one), and I would like some people to see it and tell me what they think before I publicly post it. If anyone is interested, PM me.
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