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posted January 05, 2015 05:40 AM |
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People not accounted for get paid for things I don't agree with all the time here.
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posted January 05, 2015 05:48 AM |
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Salamandre said:
It came clear to me that you never contribute to it, but instead still suck the resources of your family/environment, therefore your arguments are laughable, sorry.
Come back when you're not throwing ad hominems around.
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Zenofex
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posted January 05, 2015 08:08 AM |
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Economic theory-crafting coming from people who haven't severed their financial umbilical cord with their family of other source of non-labour income is laughable indeed. Just saying.
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Salamandre
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posted January 05, 2015 10:46 AM |
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mvassilev said:
Come back when you're not throwing ad hominems around.
I am not accusing you of anything, I also used my family resources up to a certain point. What I say is that if you were indeed a tax payer you wouldn't consider the gays PMA transition so lightly, because it implies you, directly. (btw, you weren't supporting it, so my post wasn't directed at you, obviously)
On other side, health care. HEALTH care. What in the word health is here unclear. If you ask the health care system, which is financed entirely by the tax payer, to take care of the health of gays and allow the PMA, you assume being gay is an illness. So, it is health care, or should be now named gay care?
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JollyJoker
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posted January 05, 2015 12:52 PM |
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I don't see the connection - or the reason for that part of the discussion, actually.
The situation in France is actually pretty clear-cut:
a) Public healthcare pays for PMA only in instances, when infertility is involved - it's considered an illness for the purpose of the regulations.
b) Lesbians and singles are not eligible for this service.
a) is simply a regulation of a specific country. You can debate the wisdom of granting 4 cycles of tryings (cost per cycle are 2.500 € in France) or paying full coverage, but it's simply a regulation with regard to an illness.
b) is a lot more problematic. Provided, there is an infertility, everyone can circumvent the regulation - lesbian or single - by a 2-year period of living with a "regular" partner.
Last year gay marriage became legal in France, so I don't see any legal reason whatsoever to withhold government help to INFERTILE gays. Under the current laws, I also don't see any reason to grant said help gays in generally, except in the case when homosexuality would be considered an illness.
I doubt, though, that homosexuals would be happy with the tag.
Anyway. This is rather beside all points.
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posted January 05, 2015 02:18 PM |
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The last thing the LGBT community wants is to be labelled as ill. They want to become an integral part of society, with the same privileges as everyone else.
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posted January 05, 2015 03:51 PM |
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However, gay parades show the opposite. They may think what they want and consider gay parades the true protest they are heroically making, but it doesn't matter what they think because the point is to change the other people's opinion, not to admire themselves of their courage. This is where they lose completely.
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posted January 05, 2015 03:56 PM |
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But the point of the Pride parades isn't to change other peoples opinion but to make a statement that no matter how decadent we may be, we have the right to be whatever we want to be and be proud of it.
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posted January 05, 2015 04:06 PM |
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You said there was no gay community and all of them were individuals  And the main objective of the parade is about being accepted and treated equally, isn't it?
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Orzie
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posted January 05, 2015 04:09 PM |
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Then don't be surprised if you are treated as freaks because it's your own choice to be recognized as freaks. Again, a parade is a show directed to other people, not the participants of the parade.
Straight people dressing shockingly like gay parade participants are considered freaks, and I don't see any inconsistencies here.
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posted January 05, 2015 04:16 PM |
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You said there was no gay community and all of them were individuals And the main objective of the parade is about being accepted and treated equally, isn't it?
The political objective of it is imo making a statement that people have the right to be whatever they want to be without facing discrimination and persecution for it.
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posted January 05, 2015 04:25 PM |
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How ARE freaks treated?
I didn't know freaks had no equal rights or were subject of special treatment.
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posted January 05, 2015 04:52 PM |
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Freaks are called freaks, first and foremost. You can guess the rest.
The whole seriousness of any message such people as costumed gay parade participants try to show gets lost somewhere in the process.
People who defend them at HC don't go much farther. Probably, they are gay themselves and say that because of general solidarity.
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posted January 05, 2015 05:01 PM |
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Orzie said:
Then don't be surprised if you are treated as freaks because it's your own choice to be recognized as freaks.
So because a few gays act provocatively like that you treat all gays as freaks?
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posted January 05, 2015 05:04 PM |
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It is obviously a discredit to all gay movements.
I know gay people, I have gay friends. Gay parades is absurd and they don't make any good for gays. End of story.
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posted January 05, 2015 05:06 PM |
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Oh well that was simple, lol, don't know why such argument about it then.
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posted January 05, 2015 05:38 PM |
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Who cares about some yokels calling people they don't understand freaks? It has been that way, and it will be that way, only the "freaks" change.
A couple of millenniums ago it was cripples or disfigured people, and then they became circus attractions, not so long ago it was men with long hairs, and in a couple of decades it's maybe people without genetic modifications, the complete opposite of what they were in earlier times.
So who cares about it, one way or another?
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Orzie
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posted January 05, 2015 06:14 PM |
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Well, don't complain then that your tolerant ideas are not understood because they are not presented properly. 
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posted January 05, 2015 07:14 PM |
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Just gonna throw my opinion here..
If you wanna kiss the opposite gender, be my guest. If you wanna kiss the same gender, be my guest.
Live your life the way you want, and do not mind other peoples.
Equal rights sure do it!
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