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Fauch
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posted May 25, 2014 03:27 AM |
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they're socialists, or call themselves socialists? because from what I heard, our socialist party (which isn't socialist) was vehiculating such ideas.
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Neraus
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posted May 25, 2014 12:16 PM |
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mvassilev said:
Neraus said:
I'm beginning to think that sexuality is a bigger mess than I thought before, and that I shouldn't have ever set foot on the forbidden site whose name cannot be uttered by human words, place of wrath and perversion and ultimate vengeance.
You can say "Heroes Community".
What did I miss? You're telling me HC is also like the one I won't even pronounce?
Forgive me Mvas, I'm a noob...
xerox said:
Well, in Sweden there's a feminist party that looks like it's going to get a seat in the European Parliament and they probably think its a social constrruct. They're socialists though.
Not every left wing party agrees with sexuality being a social construct, in my country they tend to be ambigous on this subject, as I think other parties are.
Of course this is coming from the guy that skims over politics, this observation comes from my limited understanding of politic programs, so don't be offended by this.
The only thing I'm sure is that they are trying to force us Italians into forcefully accepting the worst homosexual behaviours, I mean, they defended a pornographic book that was offered in school because it was the story of a gay boy, I'm not sure they would have defended it if it was a straight boy's story.
But of course that's just me, the guy with moral values from the middle ages...
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posted May 25, 2014 01:46 PM |
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Baklava said:
... and it seems to hurt like hell.
Sex shouldn't hurt when you are aroused. And you should have sex only when aroused ;P You probably get that idea from all the butt violence in movies which have prison rape scenes.
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Fauch
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posted May 25, 2014 02:16 PM |
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well, according to what I read on the internet, that would be more the opinion of liberals, those people who thinks there should be no limits (well, especially no limits for money) and they would see heterosexuality as a limit to our liberty, imposed by society, or something like that. then some people foresee a plan consisting in destroying the family institution (maybe that would be more about the "marriage pour tous" actually) and some capitalist interests too. that goes quite far. I'm not sure parties thought through it this far. parties aren't about thinking anyway 
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xerox
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posted May 25, 2014 05:26 PM |
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well homosexaulity was believe to be a "bourgeoise decadence"
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Over himself, over his own
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DagothGares
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posted May 26, 2014 04:28 AM |
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Like, I know angsty teens are not a good yard stick, but there's quite a lot of people really unhappy who may or may not commit suicide over being gay or who may or may not get killed over this in their country. It could these people choose to be persecuted and unhappy, but I find that highly unlikely. I don't you choose to be gay.
Could be wrong, of course, but to me, the existence of these really unhappy people makes it seem more likely that being gay is not cultural, but biological.
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mvassilev
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posted May 26, 2014 08:01 AM |
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There is also the argument that homosexuality is environmental but not a choice - something like, if you wear pink too much as a child, you'll turn gay.
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fred79
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posted May 26, 2014 08:32 AM |
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@ mvass: lol. conditioning with color, huh? wtf. 
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xerox
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posted May 26, 2014 09:54 AM |
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That something's not essentialist or natural doesn't mean its easy to change.
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Baklava
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posted May 26, 2014 10:24 AM |
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Edited by Baklava at 10:28, 26 May 2014.
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@Minion
I think the problem here would be my lack of arousal about anything going up my arse. 
An interesting point about sexual preference could be made about those guys that enjoy being banged by chicks with strapons. They essentially enjoy a rubber penis up their bottom, but only when it's coming from a chick. They're not attracted to any masculine features.
Does that shyte fall under bi? Or is it gay as a bridge in San Francisco?
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money,
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Howlin Wolf
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Stevie
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posted May 26, 2014 10:57 AM |
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Ofc u enjoy it bak. Ya just don' realize et yet.
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posted May 26, 2014 11:05 AM |
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Baklava said:
Does that shyte fall under bi? Or is it gay as a bridge in San Francisco?
I think it falls under deviation if is the only way the guy gets aroused or sexual experimentation if it is a one time thing. If the guy really doesn't want to be with other guys then that shouldn't be considered a gay behaviour on it self.
On the other hand, you could say that he is on denial but I think it would be just prejudice.
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DagothGares
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posted May 26, 2014 11:06 AM |
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Well, if the culture you're in is against it, I doubt it is cultural. If you're willing to end your life over it or face the risk that people will end your life for you (or do other terrible things to you), I highly doubt it can be changed, at all.
If it can't be changed, it's probably something to do with the hardware, rather than software. Hardware is biological cause or environmental tampering (you were born with it, or something altered your biology over the course of your life. Maybe too much lead/ hormones in the water.) I doubt it can be changed, ergo I'm willing to believe environmental reasons may be a thing, but this cause doesn't matter. The way I perceive the world and my experience with homosexuality have lead me to believe it is an unalterable fact about people who like the same gender that thye like the same gender.
I don't say this to say they are "the other". I mean, it is as much an unalterable fact about them as that I am tall (without sawing my leggs off, I guess) and was born in Antwerp. The cause for this, however seems irrelevant in the light of it being unalterable. It could be because of space radiation or the power of Christ, for all I know. I am not a scientist. I don't believe in there being something in the air that makes a man and another man want to kiss. I don't believe you will start liking men to spite your dad or something weird like that.
I know both my sisters like women. I have read grounded articles linking homosexuality and biology that weren't scientifically peer-reviewed in any way (I am after all, not a scientist.) I know the evidence I go on is anecdotal, but I used anecdotal evidence once and then it turned out to be true.
And, unless we are God, we will probably not be able to explain complex human behaviour like sexuality in easy mathematical formulas. I however disagree with saying that people don't want to reproduce. People want to have sex all the time. The problem is that modern society has this weird thing where they want the thing without the consequences. Candy without sugar, sex without reproduction, coffee without caffeine, prosperity without pollution, revolution without violence. People want to have sex, but no children, but the reason they want to have sex is because of the urge to reproduce, which feels pleasurable to us meat bags.
But the reason it is pleasurable is so that we would reproduce. Saying sex and reproduction are separated, even in a world of planned parenting, adoption and birth control, is still putting the cart before the horse. Or just putting a cart somewhere that isn't going anywhere. We want to reproduce, we want to have sex because our instincts tell us to produce more meat bags.
Anyway, about your question, I identify as heterosexual with bicurious tendencies. These bicurious tendencies are aimed towards Jared Leto. Because, dammit, he is a very pretty man, in my eyes. I identify as such, because I'm attracted to feminine features and I'm biologically male. But really, sex, like politics, defies label when you get freaky with it.
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Fauch
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posted May 26, 2014 12:58 PM |
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children used to work in the past, so they could become an additional source of income. it's not the case anymore and you have to support them financially for a very long time. that may be why people are hesitant to make them.
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Minion
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posted May 26, 2014 01:55 PM |
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@Bak, haha well I thought we were talking about butt sex in general. Even with the strap-on, I wouldn't label sex toys as either gay or straight. I guess the occasional finger up there is liked by straight guys as well, umm, at least in the popular culture...
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xerox
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posted May 26, 2014 01:55 PM |
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DagothGares said:
Anyway, about your question, I identify as heterosexual with bicurious tendencies. These bicurious tendencies are aimed towards Jared Leto. Because, dammit, he is a very pretty man, in my eyes. I identify as such, because I'm attracted to feminine features and I'm biologically male. But really, sex, like politics, defies label when you get freaky with it.
Bingo! We have a winner.
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Stevie
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posted May 26, 2014 02:04 PM |
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A winner?
ROFL. Such a stupid phrase.
Who won what and how? I have to agree with your homosexual views to be a "winner"? What a joke.
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xerox
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posted May 26, 2014 02:13 PM |
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Yeah, you have to. Or else...
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Stevie
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posted May 26, 2014 02:20 PM |
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Or else?
Stevie said:
ROFL. Such a stupid phrase.
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Minion
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posted May 26, 2014 02:29 PM |
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Why are you even fighting, you both share the oh so smart idea that sexuality is a choice. You should embrace each other as soul mates already.
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